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December 27 2009

Geekscape lists Enver, Dichen & Dollhouse among the Best TV of 2009. "One hour a week this good from a network is hard to find. And thanks to all you philistines, if I want to see seasons three through six, Iíll have to raid a DVD store in an alternate universe."

Contains some spoilers for other shows. Of Enver Gjokaj, one of article's contributors (Eric Diaz) had this to say:

"The best thing about Dollhouse is not Eliza Dushku or anyone else, itís this guy, who plays the Active/Doll code-named Victor. This guy can quite literally play anything, which of course is what the show requires of those who play the ďDollsĒ. But week after week it is this guy who shines over everyone else. Of all things on Dollhouse Iíll miss, number one on that list will be Victor."

If there was such an alternate universe, I would hope that Joss would have four clones who together could have have helmed Buffy, Angel, a Dr. Horrible movie, Firefly and the Serenity trilogy and Dollhouse. Oh, and maybe one more that could spend time with his family.
Best show of the year. I agree. Or two years. Or five. I'd say ten, but then it'd interfere with Firefly. Why can't the critics and the geeks run the TV universe? Oh, right. Lowest common denominator rule.
Why can't the critics and the geeks run the TV universe?

The truth is we do - we're just not usually in control of it.
While I'm a little weary of the "blame everyone else for the failure of our show!" phenomenon, it's good to see the show get some worthwhile recognition.
I couldn't agree more with the author that ranked Enver at the top of the list with Lithgow, Lynch, Forbes, and Chenowith. This person and I have very compatible tastes, apparently. So it appears I should ask for Battlestar Galactica for next Christmas since he likes Glee, Dexter, True Blood, Dollhouse, and Pushing Daisies. I know a lot of people here--including Joss love BSG, but I heard the ending disappoints. Any suggestions, fellow whedonesquers?
Any suggestions, fellow whedonesquers?
Watch the entire show through and then when there's about 45 minutes left of the show, just stop watching. Until that point it's among the best shows ever... And then they kinda ruin things...

Oh, and skip The Plan too... That's just a big waste of time.
Well, at least it has an ending. Maybe I have a love for things that are left wide (or at least slightly ajar) open, like Angel, Firefly, Wonderfalls, Dead Like Me, Pushing Daisies, and possibly Dollhouse. Maybe what I like just has to be made by Joss Whedon or Bryan Fuller, then prematurely canceled. Maybe I'll give BSG a try and just pretend it doesn't end.
I'm very happy to see Enver get singled out for his extraordinary work. I hope to see more of him in the future.
There are some of us who like the BSG ending. Yes, the last 45 minutes are perhaps drawn out a bit, but there is at least closure for those who made it through. Including Kara.

However, I agree that "The Plan" is a complete waste. Fortunately, it can simply be ignored without losing anything of BSG as a whole.
My husband and I are always planning our alternative universe DVD raids.

I liked the end of BSG. But The Plan was a boring clip show movie. The ending is a bit polarizing, but I don't think anyone regrets watching the show because of it.

And I love Enver and hope to see him in lots of stuff in the future.
There are some of us who like the BSG ending. Yes, the last 45 minutes are perhaps drawn out a bit, but there is at least closure for those who made it through. Including Kara.

Yes, that's true. There are aspects of the ending that I really liked. Pretty much anything character related worked like gang busters... However, anything related to the mythos? Yeah, don't wanna go too far into spoiler country so I'm just gonna say that the ending mythos-wise felt like one big betrayal of everything the show stood for. I was seriously miffed by it when I saw it and I still am 9 months later...

And no, it didn't make me regret watching the show. The show up to that point was amazing. But knowing what I know, I can't actually go back and really enjoy the show anymore. And because of that, I actually do regret watching the finale. Atleast that last part. Could have done without that.
I agree with Djungelurban, I tried watching some of Season 3 this holiday and it's just upsetting now. BSG would have been a perfect show had it ended at 4.0. Well, maybe not perfect but certainly legendary. I would recommend stopping there and pretending the rest doesn't exist. A bit like Star Wars prequels.

For Dollhouse, the character I'll miss the most is probably Topher. I am glad that we're getting more Fran and Amy in Cabin In The Woods, the Whedonverse is so much better with them in it.
Methinks Fran often gets not enough cred for his really quite richly detailed portrayal of Topher, probably because he plays the same character every week so it's easy to think that he's just playing himself, but there's a lot of stuff there that is just incredible. However, I have to agree that Enver really does knock it out of the park Every. Single. Time. Dichen does a really fantastic job, too, and they both need to be in lots of things from now on.

In fact, I'm thinking Dichen needs to be Psylocke/Revanche if Marvel includes the character in a future X-movie. Enver could play anything, so having him be some character that changes into other people without physically shifting and uses makeup and other disguises, maybe like the Chameleon before he got morphy powers, would be awesome.

And hey, if there's a Cross-Universal Netflix, I want to get the full Deluxe Compleat Whedonverse editions on HD-DVD (yes, HD-DVD) of Buffy & Angel (9 seasons each plus the 3 Buffy: The Animated Series seasons, the 4 Spike: Harbinger movies and the Digital Worlds edition of the Buffy AniComic), Firefly (6 seasons, three movies and all five seasons of the CGI animated series), Dollhouse (5 TV seasons plus the 72 DollWars webisodes, the 18 instalments of The Topher Brink Viral Chronicles and the Rossum Active Architecture Dollware game for the Wii), all 6 volumes of Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog (including the 13 volumes of commentaries), and some other sets like the 11 seasons of Farscape/Peacekeeper Wars/Farscape Universe, the 5 seasons of Doctor Who from the 90's with Paul McGann as the 8th Doctor, the Doctor Who: Time War specials, the 3 other Christopher Eccleston 9th Doctor series, and all of the Galaxy Quest series and movies including The Original Series, GQ: The Animated Series, GQ: The Next Generation, GQ: Thermian Space Nine, and "Protector". Also I'd like HD versions of selected shows from a universe where nobody wears clothes.

...

...Or perhaps I didn't need to share that last bit.

Watch the entire show through and then when there's about 45 minutes left of the show, just stop watching. Until that point it's among the best shows ever... And then they kinda ruin things...
Djungelurban | December 27, 16:17 CET


Once again, I have to disagree in the strongest possible terms. BSG is my favorite non-Whedon show ever, and the best part was the way it ended.
Even is it wasn't as high as it is on my favorite shows ever list, I'd still give it my personal "best series finale ever" award - the entire last three eps - which were a seamless piece -and especially the last half hour or so.

Pretty much anything character related worked like gang busters... However, anything related to the mythos? Yeah, don't wanna go too far into spoiler country so I'm just gonna say that the ending mythos-wise felt like one big betrayal of everything the show stood for.


Apparently this is the really really polarizing part. Because as much as I loved all the character related parts - especially the brilliantly executed flash-backs - by far the most satisfying thing about the ending of BSG was the handling of the mythos.

This was a finale that dared to stick with the multi-layered, larger than life mythology that had informed it's core meaning, from the first time we heard the phrase "This has all happened before, and it will all happen again", and not cop out in the end.
BSG was literally a mythology, as much as a space adventure and an in-depth character study that worked on multiple levels. I'll be eternally grateful to Ron Moore for not losing sight of that.
Had it ended without addressing the core mythology that was the shows underpinning, the rock this stunning tale was built upon, I would have felt betrayed.
I tend to agree with the feeling that the ending was a betrayal of many of the show's core principles rather than an exploration of them. Certainly the ending satisfied the "this has all happened before" credo, but the way it got to that seemed to me to be completely nonsensical.



There are things I do like about the finale, incidentally, but it left a sour taste in my mouth. And to be honest, many of the fairwells seemed so drawn out, and the decisions of the core characters at the end so stupid to me, that I felt too angry at many/most of the characters to be moved.

...But yeah, the show is still worth watching.

[ edited by WilliamTheB on 2009-12-28 22:17 ]
What WilliamTheB said.

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