March 02 2010
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Buffyfest interviews Scott Allie about Twilight.
Twilight's identity is mentioned, so beware spoilers. Includes an additional preview page at the end, where apparently "Giles explains the secret history of vampires and slayers." Interesting...
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So about the "secret history" background images! Is that a bat and a mosquito?
Sunfire | March 02, 18:27 CET
Sla | March 02, 18:33 CET
edited to comply with spoiler concerns
[ edited by baxter on 2010-03-03 10:56 ]
baxter | March 02, 18:33 CET
KaileeA42 | March 02, 18:45 CET
[ edited by Buffyfantic on 2010-03-03 04:31 ]
Buffyfantic | March 02, 19:31 CET
That secret history has me really intrigued.
Me too, especially that art. Vampires started as bat demons? Or inhabited bats first?
Sunfire | March 02, 19:48 CET
The bat thing makes me think of the Underworld films.
[ edited by Buffyfantic on 2010-03-03 05:01 ]
Buffyfantic | March 02, 19:57 CET
I liked this interview. Allie has a pretty good handle on the character of Angel, something I wasn't altogether sure of before.
Still though, I didn't care much for his last answer, if only because I feel the character has grown and evolved beyond that and I dislike seeing him defined by his feelings for Buffy, much the same as he was in S1 of Btvs. *shrugs*
Whatever.
menomegirl | March 02, 20:21 CET
And the idea that there is a "secret history between vampires and slayers" also has me HUGELY intrigued. Gah.
[ edited by lmblack21 on 2010-03-03 05:32 ]
lmblack21 | March 02, 20:29 CET
You know, the Giles thing takes me back to "A Long Way Home," where Giles meets with those dinosaur looking demons. I still don't understand why he was on speaking terms with them. Can anyone help explain that scene?
5X5B | March 02, 21:10 CET
I'm excited by the coming issue and by a lot of the stuff that has happened this season. but I think this season has lacked some pacing. For three years there has been vague mention of Twilight, he has met Buffy once and even then we didnt know what his plan was (apart from ending magic and the slayers if that is Twilight's goal) it could have helped to drop a few more hints as to his agenda earlier in the season to keep it fresh. In season 7 we knew that The First wanted to end the Slayer line about halfway through the season, I just hope that with the pacing of the last 7 issues that it doesnt leave a lot of questions unanswered.
But yes I cannont wait for this reveal and what it means to Buffy.
warmdeliciouscookieme | March 02, 21:28 CET
Have to say I'm also really intrigued by that secret history of vampires/slayers, and that preview page is mighty interesting. Looks like we may be really shaking up the mythology here, which I for one am very excited about.
vampmogs | March 02, 21:57 CET
I'm trying to imagine what the hell mosquitoes have to do with anything? Unless suddenly we're gonna be told that vampirism is spread by them like West Nile or Yellow Fever and a long time ago, a girl was bitten by one and voila! A slayer was born...okay that doesn't even make sense to me.
God I hate ret-cons.
menomegirl | March 02, 23:06 CET
Apparently they don't get on that well.
Simon | March 02, 23:29 CET
BAFfler | March 02, 23:40 CET
Sla | March 02, 23:45 CET
Dana5140 | March 02, 23:51 CET
I am Twilight. And my phone was out that week. Plus my neighbors and I don't get along, so I couldn't go use their phones. So I kinda had to start without the phone call, and then things just snowballed from there. Sorry about that. If it's any consolation to you, or to Buffy for that matter, I feel really bad.
:::hangs head:::
BAFfler | March 03, 00:12 CET
shazzam | March 03, 00:50 CET
macguffinsecret organisation of women that appeared at the tail end of season 7.Simon | March 03, 01:01 CET
Twilight did go to Buffy to talk, anyway. He just got distracted by uncontrollable rage and almost threw a church at her. I've had conversations with my exes that went a bit like that....
(Joke!)
WilliamTheB | March 03, 01:04 CET
About Twilight,i disagree with Scott's opinion about Angel, Angel had for the last 5 years grown into his own character that wasn't defined by Buffy in anyway. It was only with the reappearing of Spike that a competition grew between them. But that was more about Spike and Angel themselves then about Buffy.
I really hope that they won't go like the POTC ending, the aweful character Will Turner(Angel) got everything he wanted in the end, the girl, the destiny, his father. While Jack Sparrow(Spike) ended up being a good man with a rowing boat and a map.
About the slayers and vampires origin. Well we sorta have three clashing theories.
Giles tells Buffy in season 1 that before the last old one left this dimension it fed of a human thereby creating the first vampire. Vampires were such a plague that the shadowmen created a slayer to fight them.
The old guardian in season7 says that the scythe was used to kill the last pure demon(old one) in this dimension.
Illyria states in season 5 that half-breeds like Spike and Angel were already running around during her time of rule which clashes with the first story we got from Giles. It could be that she was talking about ubervamps.
Vergil | March 03, 01:12 CET
Obviously I'd rather hear Joss speak for himself, but either Allie is lying (very doubtful), Joss flat out said that, or that's the impression Joss has given him during their collaboration on this comic. Allie never said that was his opinion. The only reason I'm pointing this out is because it wouldn't be entirely accurate/fair to hold Allie to these comments as if the interviewer asked for his opinion and not the opinion of someone else.
Oh, and how do we spoilertag stuff? Every time I try to do it, it doesn't work? I'd love to discuss more about some of his comments but can't really do it in a way that doesn't make it obvious who Twilight is.
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vampmogs | March 03, 01:46 CET
baxter | March 03, 02:04 CET
And oh dear lord, you'd think the way Allie talks AtS had never happened. Personally I think that although Buffy will always be important to him, she's not the be all and end all of his life anymore. AtS was testament to that. But then maybe he's never actually watched that series all the way through?
Also, a 'secret history'. God that already smacks of 'here comes retcon land' If they're not careful.
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sueworld2003 | March 03, 03:34 CET
As far as the "secret history" thing: we'll see. Whedon said something about Meltzer really wanting to get into the mythology. I'm thinking it's not going to be a retcon so much as an extrapolation of what we already know. Or maybe it'll be a retcon and the show's already-fragile mythology will be destroyed. Here's hoping for not that one! :)
WilliamTheB | March 03, 03:51 CET
Simon | March 03, 03:53 CET
You're quite right I suppose. Also at the end of the day it is only a comic after all. *g*
sueworld2003 | March 03, 04:06 CET
BlueSkies | March 03, 05:33 CET
Long term lurker, first time poster. Twilight's secret ID is my favourite Buffyverse character and kinda the reason I got into Joss' work in the first place, so add me to the 'concerned but excited' list.
Like Vergil, I'm not sure that Buffy is Angel's primary motor anymore. But Allie's comments could mean that in Joss' eyes, the important thing when writing Angel is how it relates to Buffy's story i.e. that the guiding factor in determining what happens to Angel is the impact on her.
Vergil, I'm also interested in your POTC comparison, particulary the word 'awful'. Would you care to expand?
Alex_Jamieson | March 03, 05:52 CET
peepstone | March 03, 06:37 CET
I prefer equating Slayers with cats and vampires with dogs. Slayers are solitary hunters, vampires often run in packs.
Hellmouthguy | March 03, 07:00 CET
My hope for the aftermath:
Personally I wish that by the end of this season and into S9 the only main characters left are the four original Scoobies. Start completely fresh and bring new supporting characters into the fold. I'm not a 'shipper of anything so I've really enjoyed S8's lack of en-souled vampires for the most part, but to me so many other characters feel out of place here. Faith should have her own series, Andrew should die/go back to Italy (is he actually friends with anyone?) and Dawn should be allowed to go to school/ find her own path in life.
It ain't gonna go down like that of course, but whatever.
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Kaan | March 03, 07:02 CET
Meanwhile, all the love for Angel Season 5 makes me cringe. That was my least favourite season. Cordy was only in one episode!
Riker | March 03, 07:05 CET
I loved the whole Wolfram and Hart storyline. I wonder If Joss will touch on any of that in this?
sueworld2003 | March 03, 07:41 CET
Simon | March 03, 07:43 CET
KaileeA42 | March 03, 07:46 CET
As for the interview... I appreciate how candid he is but I just don't necessarily get or agree with some of the stuff he says. (And this is aside from the romance stuff which I don't particularly mind either way.) Like by default Angel had to branch out to beyond just Buffy on his own show and they even ret-conned how significant she was in turning his life around. (Like rather than him implicitly eating rats in sewers for the 200 or however many years he had a soul he hung out with the Rat Pack.) Now that I think about it, Connor ended up being sort of the biggest living deal in Angel's life.
Also it's weird he suddenly became less interested in Angel as a character for taking up Wolfram and Hart when part of the appeal he sees of Angel stems from him being a more morally fuzzy character.
Then this is something that's just slipped my mind by now, but were Buffy/Angel really the first star-crossed paranormal lovers either now or in recent history? For some reason I just took that for granted as pretty obvious concept.
orangewaxlion | March 03, 08:32 CET
Maybe he's not heard of those shows.
sueworld2003 | March 03, 08:38 CET
As far as Michelle "leading" questions in this interview, I often find it laughable when we get responses like that. Michelle had a great idea to interview Allie just about Angel's character as we hadn't seen that before. Of course being accused of Bangel-ism would come with that territory...but Michelle is easily the most neutral, careful writer of all of us at Buffyfest, so it's weird. All she did was the original intent: ask questions about Angel. I guess it makes some feel better about a storyline that goes in a direction they don't fancy, though. Shoot the messenger, all that.
Especially for Allie who I'm sure is very used to the hateration.
buffyfest | March 03, 17:02 CET
Sunfire | March 03, 18:08 CET