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April 01 2010

IESB - Joss Whedon is on short list to direct The Avengers movie. They say it's not an April's Fools joke.

Such lie would be kinda heartless.
Not getting my hopes up for this. Though Marvel loves him as a comic writer, It seems they don't want much comedy in their movies/want people to take their films seriously. So, I am sure he is on the short list, but I doubt he will get the gig.
Whedon's fans are important enough to justify this kind of news today! But yeah, it's heartless
Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to see this happen, it is just hard to see it come together after Joss' history with Marvel films.
And DC films.

I'll believe it when it's out in theatres.
I wish I may, I wish I might.
Are there any women in The Avengers? Not that it means anything, but I've never imagined a Joss film about a group of male superheroes.

[ edited by Kaan on 2010-04-01 09:03 ]
I love the idea, but 1.) I'll believe when I see it and, 2.) if Joss doesn't write the movie, it's just not going to be as exciting for me.

What a lie: Joss Whedon + RDJ? I would be verklempt with the awesome.
I don't think Joss would do a movie that has a release date before a script.

Does anyone else find it funny that Wonder Woman basically stalled after they took Joss off?

[ edited by eddy on 2010-04-01 10:07 ]
Are there any women in The Avengers?

In the comics there have been many, but as the article says, the characters that Marvel has announced that they will be spotlighting in the film are all men: Captain America, Iron Man, Hulk and Thor. I'd imagine that at least one or two female heroes will make it onto the team, but I'd be surprised if their roles would be as substantial as those four, who are all supposed to have had their own movies out by the time that "Avengers" is released.

[ edited by Risch22 on 2010-04-01 10:19 ]
Twitter is pretty amazing, it's neat seeing it "blow up" so to speak when news like this leaks.

Anyway, I think it would be cool to have a more male oriented Whedon film, as I think a good majority of his work has bigger appeal to a female audience. And it's a shame that more men don't give his work a chance. I know there is a good ratio of men vs. women on this site, at least I think there is, but I just mean in general. I'm sure you guys understand.

I'm not going to get my hopes up that this will actually happen though.
That he's on their short list really doesn't mean he's aware that he is or has any interest in it?
Not written by him? Not interested. Also, too ambitious a movie and a project. Would they give him at least some freedom?
There have been plenty of women in the Avengers--the Wasp was a founding member, for one, and Black Widow (appearing in Iron Man 2) has already been rumoured to appear in Avengers.

But I really don't buy Joss working on a movie where A) the script is already being written before his involvement and B) he needs to make his work fit with previous and future movies in three different franchises.
He's perfect for it. But someone answer me this, can ANYONE see Joss Whedon directing a script from Zak "X-Men 3" Penn?

Nope.
I can see Joss directing this without a qualm, it would be the biggest thing in his career to date. And from reading the tea leaves (and interviews), movies are very much in his future for the next few years.
I agree with the movies part, but rememember "I would rather make something that a hundred people NEED to see, than something a thousand people would LIKE to see" (from memory, probably not word perfect)

If Marvel are smart, they will be thrilled to get Joss to write and direct.

Are there any women in The Avengers? Not that it means anything, but I've never imagined a Joss film about a group of male superheroes.



This is going to make me sound callous, but I am massively bored with 'female empowerment' and would welcome a focus on male characters.
I'd love to see Joss direct a huge movie, but I'm not sure that 'The Avengers' is that one. Apart from the fact wether Joss would like to direct it or not, from an artistic viewpoint, I'd say that directing 'The Avengers' is a huge risk. It's the superhero movie that I have huge problems envisioning as working. Many great superhero franchises have had enormous trouble in the past balancing multiple bad guys and/or storylines. I imagine a movie with several headlining characters to have those problems to the nth degree.

A good scriptwriter could probably tackle those problems (and if they'd have Joss writing, I could picture him being able to solve the inherent issues; he's handled a film with many characters before, after all), but they don't seem to have one at the moment.

So I'm thinking, whoever directs, this movie has a high risk of ending up a stinker. It also has great potential to make heaps of money, regardless, if the word-of-mouth isn't too bad. And if Joss were to direct, this would be the single biggest thing in his career thus far and it might sky-rocket him to the Hollywood major leagues.

At the end of the day, it would still suck to see him connected to a bad movie, though. But from the standpoint of name recognition, main stream cred and his future career, this seems like a good move, unless he goes terribly over budget, finishes the movie late and/or if it completely bombs at the box office, in which case it could mean it'll be years and years before he gets another shot at a movie this major.

At the end of the day, though, I think marvel'll go for a big name director with more blockbuster experience.
I dont understand the whole women empowerpent thingie. I mean, neither Firefly, nor Angel nor Dollhouse nor Doctor Horrible are about women empowerment; actually, the central characters (protagonist, so to speak) of Angel, Firefly and Doctor Horrible are males, and while the focus character of Dollhouse is a woman, i would say that, like on most of his shows, its more about characters than the fact they are male or female.

I just dont get why Joss is getting labeled with "specialized in women empowerment". Its not like Buffy is the only thing he ever did...
I will be very shocked if this pans out.I always thought Joss would be more likely to do a X-Men film.

[ edited by Buffyfantic on 2010-04-01 13:27 ]
Its not like Buffy is the only thing he ever did...


True but it's what he's most famous for.
He gets labelled with female empowerment because so few people have actually managed to produce well written female protaginists.
Darkness -
Firefly, Dollhouse and Doctor Horrible all had women that were the central plot points and drivers (River, Echo and Penny respectively). Angel rotated through a number of them, almost down to the episode - Buffy, Cordelia, Jasmine, Fred, Illyria, Darla, and to some extent Nina and Drusilla, all shaped how Angel and his crew reacted. But really, by these arguments, it is simply because he writes women as well as other folks write men.
Caveats about April Fool's aside, I was really excited by this news but only because I thought the story meant this version of The Avengers! Once I clicked on the link, I realised different, of course, but I could still imagine Joss in the midst of Emma Peel/John Steed quippy dialogue.
I think I'm the only person who liked the movie version of the series. Though "Tony Head is John Steed and Summer Glau is Emma Peel" would look awesome on a movie poster.
Cautious about the potential April Fools' bit, this does sound interesting. The thing is, would Marvel let Joss re-write it and let him do his own thing? That's probably what Joss will request if he is offered the gig.

@ dottikin: That does sound tempting. RDJ + Chris Evans + Joss = Even More Awesome.
@Simon - that sounds like a brilliant cast! I'd watch that anytime.
I know that directors get more respect than writers in Hollywood, but personally I would be very disappointed if Joss ends up spending all his time directing other people's stories. I would rather have him making films (or TV or internet series) from his own stories. If Joss was writing AND directing the 'Avengers' THEN I would get excited.
I got the impression that after his Wonder Woman experience and his Batman reboot pitch before that,he was going to stay away from stuff he didn't create on-screen.And the reason he turned down X-Men 3 was because he was not going to be allowed to write the script/have story say(he didn't want his mutant cure story used for the basis of X3)and the rushed shooting schedule with a already set release date locked in.

Isn't the Avengers the same thing?

1)He wouldn't be writing the script(Zak Penn is)and the story has to work in conjunticion with the other Marvel films.

2)It has a May 4th 2012 set release date and has to begin filming next year.

But this is a high profile event film so that could be very attractive.Plus Joss would be directing Robert Downey Jr as Iron Man,Chris Evans as Captain America,Chris Hemsworth as Thor,Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury,Possibily Edward Norton as The Hulk,Scarlett Johansson as The Black Widow and maybe a few more superheroes(Hawkeye,Ant-Man,The Wasp?).

Still feels like an April's Fools joke to me even though they say it's not.

If this pans out,I would expect a lesser role in Buffy season 9.Scott Allie already indicated Joss might not be wriing as many issues himself or even a delay.Directing The Avengers would be a big time consuming job.

[ edited by Buffyfantic on 2010-04-01 16:26 ]
I too thought it was the "other" Avengers when I saw the line. @Simon, Surely it should be Eliza Dushku as Emma Peel.
Summer Glau could appear as Purdey from the New Avengers as she was an ex-ballerina.
Random - Chris Hemsworth worked for Joss on "Cabin in the Woods".
active said:
"Not getting my hopes up for this. Though Marvel loves him as a comic writer, it seems they don't want much comedy in their movies/want people to take their films seriously."

Iron Man had quite a bit of comedy. Thinking back to their other films...yeah, I guess there wasn't much (Blade 3 had its share due to the addition of Ryan Reynolds). Two or three jokes/witty lines in each of the three X-Men films, maybe. Spider-Man had a bit of his comic book quips, but I can't remember finding it that funny. Can't recall the levels of comedy in Daredevil, absolutely no humor in Ang Lee's Hulk movie (that's something I enjoyed about it though), might've been a bit in the Edward Norton Incredible Hulk, and there was a decent bit of fun in the first Fantastic Four film (never got around to the sequel).

So far, given that we only have the two Nolan-directed Batman films and Superman Returns to compare against Marvel's much larger big screen selection over the past decade and a bit, Marvel seems a lot more humor-friendly than DC. That's not an advantage in either company's case, IMO, because humor is sometimes out of place. I don't want Buffy levels of humor in all of my comic book-adapted material, it can be annoying. In Iron Man, it worked, it was welcome, Robert Downey Jr owned it (guys who wrote the script did a pretty great job and Jon Favreau is a quality director on top of that). I don't think Joss being known for his humor will exempt him from the final rounds of who Marvel decides to court for this position (if this is for real).

Re: Buffyfanatic's post
I hadn't kept up with recent Captain America casting news, didn't know Chris Evans was just a lawyer and an inked contract away from that role. I like Evans fine, he was a good Johnny Storm/Human Torch, but given that they're getting all connected with their films, does it really make sense to cast the same guy for a different role in the same 'verse ? Just in case the Fantastic Four are part of the mix later on in what will almost undoubtedly be a big mess of a crossover film. Or are they still considering rebooting the FF franchise ?

At least with Ryan Reynolds being Deadpool/Wade, Hannibal King (the Blade films, thus far, never made reference to the rest of the Marvel film universe, so can probably be considered to be taking place outside of it, so far), and Green Lantern, there're companies and continuities separating him (though they should just stop casting him in superhero/villain roles already, branch out some more).

Maybe you could look at it as kind of a gag on how some comic book artists draw a lot of their faces to look the same (like how Sue Storm/The Invisible could be interchangeable with Emma Frost/The White Queen when drawn by the same artist, if not for costume and cup size).

If Joss gets Avengers, it could be fun. Yeah, I like seeing new creator-owned stuff from him, but Hollywood's teased with him being involved in a superhero flick for so long (I know, he wrote lines for the first X-Men, but I'm looking forward to seeing him in the pilot's seat), I kinda just wanna see it happen already so we both quiet down and satisfy the fanboy speculation. If it happens, I'd also prefer it to rock, both for his career's sake and so that the majority of anti-Joss fanboys would maybe make a turnaround. Not sure if Avengers is this film.

[ edited by Kris on 2010-04-01 18:21 ]
Well, it IS April 1, so I didn't believe it.
Re: Buffyfanatic's post
I hadn't kept up with recent Captain America casting news, didn't know Chris Evans was just a lawyer and an inked contract away from that role. I like Evans fine, he was a good Johnny Storm/Human Torch, but given that they're getting all connected with their films, does it really make sense to cast the same guy for a different role in the same 'verse ? Just in case the Fantastic Four are part of the mix later on in what will almost undoubtedly be a big mess of a crossover film. Or are they still considering rebooting the FF franchise ?


That's actually my issue with this casting.Having the same actor play two major heroes from the same universe takes me out of believing the actor in the role.It would be like if Christopher Reeve went from playing Superman to Batman.Or if Bale jumps from Batman after Nolan's third Batman film to playing Superman in Nolan's reboot(Bale actually was up for the role of Superman in the Batman Vs. Superman film back in 2002 that Wolfgang Peterson was going to direct).

But the argument against this is the fact is this.

1)Fox is rebooting Fantastic Four and there will be a new cast.So Evans is no longer tied to The Human Torch character.

2)Fantastic Four is not a part of Marvel's Studios self produced films.Fox owns the rights to Fantastic Four(and Daredevil and X-Men).And as long as they continue to actively develope more films,they hang on to the rights.That's why they're rebooting.So Marvel/Disney can't get the rights back.It's also why they are rebooting Daredevil and have three X-Man films in development(X-Men:First Class,Wolverine 2 and Deadpool).So The Fantastic Four will never crossover with The Avengers/the Marvel Studios universe under these conditions.

[ edited by Buffyfantic on 2010-04-01 19:37 ]
I actually really enjoyed the Sean Connery TV-series-based Avengers movie too. I still sort of wish that Uma Thurman's Kill Bill rise would have lead to the director's cut which I've heard is actually vaguely coherent.

I think all of the Marvel comics have had some level of comedy involved even if it is a little misinterpreted sometimes. Or done poorly. Just since they haven't come to their senses and allowed Edgar Wright to make his Ant Man movie, doesn't mean they're humorless or pompously self-important. (Even Ang Lee's generally more meditative/pop-psych Hulk had intentional moments of humor. Like the much maligned Hulk poodles, or that one scene where a character was caught in an explosion he was outlined in a freeze frame in a very retro 60s manner since the entire movie he was a raging prick for the audience to hate.) And Kris had a great point about how fantastically fluffy Iron Man was even if it did try to keep a straight face.

As for the casting thing-- Fantastic Four and X-Men are both being made by Fox so they're not exactly integrated into the whole "shared universe" thing so it doesn't matter if some of the actors show up in multiple roles. Or like Ben Foster being in the first Punisher as well as Angel in X3.

I do like to imagine that if Joss did take this on he would get the chance to polish up the script if he really wanted to. (I mean it's not like he's lost touch with his script doctoring days I imagine, as a TV showrunner.)

Plus I think it would be important that he/whoever gets the gig really bumps up the prominence of whatever token women end up on the team. Most of the big hitters get their own films to shine in so I imagine that for characters who presumably couldn't sustain a movie unto themselves would need to really shine in the ensemble. (And we know that he can't write Kitty Pryde as an Avenger since Fox apparently owns all major mutants, but maybe he could sneak in Molly Hayes if everyone ends up loving Hit-Girl in Kick-Ass.)
I've thought Joss would be the perfect fit for Avengers for a while. The critics have been saying how difficult it will be to work Thor into the same world as Iron Man and company, but Joss has already done the thing with a character speaking Shakespearean dialogue while everyone else is speaking in a modern dialogue (with Illyria on Angel). Joss knows how to write an ensemble piece and he knows how to give each character their own big moment. He's the perfect director for this film and Marvel loves him, so they're unlikely to screw him over like Warner Bros. did with Wonder Woman.

And given the release date is in 2012, I'm sure Joss would have more than enough time to play with the script a bit.
Is there actually a standout Avengers story? The Kree/Skrull war and the Ultron Unlimited arc come to mind but I would be hard pressed to think of any others at the moment. Millar's Ultimates run on the other hand is a completely different kettle of fish. Memorable from start to finish.
The rumor is that Millar's Ultimate run is being used as the basis of The Avengers film including The Hulk as a villain.
That would work for me.
Sure. Well. Of course, I mean I don't want to commit, rumor and all that ... what? In all seriousness, "Yes please, with a
triple-helping of awesome Whedon-sauce on the side!" I believe I just read at IMDb that Thor was getting his own feature film so I hope that doesn't undercut this effort if Joss does get involved.

I would love to see something make up for the Wonder Woman kerfuffle because Joss deserves to get his name out there in BIG. BOFFO. BRIGHT. LIGHTS. Yeah, man.
Is there actually a standout Avengers story?


Together with the Kree/Skull War, my favorite Avengers run has always been The Korvac Saga. It has that loose, over-the-top, cosmic feel that I associate with the Avengers. I dig The Ultimates too.
Buffyfantic wrote:
2)Fantastic Four is not a part of Marvel's Studios self produced films.Fox owns the rights to Fantastic Four(and Daredevil and X-Men).And as long as they continue to actively develope more films,they hang on to the rights.That's why they're rebooting.So Marvel/Disney can't get the rights back.It's also why they are rebooting Daredevil and have three X-Man films in development(X-Men:First Class,Wolverine 2 and Deadpool).So The Fantastic Four will never crossover with The Avengers/the Marvel Studios universe under these conditions.

This is exactly why they can cast Chris Evans as the Cap. The F4 will never be in the Marvel produced movies because Fox owns the rights. Same with X-Men and others and Spider Man will also not be in a Marvel produced movie because Sony owns those rights. So the Marvel produced movies are in a different universe from the Fox produced and Sony produced films. If they ever got the rights back for those franchises (likely to never happen) they'd most likely do a reboot of those franchises at that time.
I believe I just read at IMDb that Thor was getting his own feature film so I hope that doesn't undercut this effort if Joss does get involved.


Iron Man 2 comes out May 7 this year.

Thor directed by Kenneth Branagh comes out on May 6,2011 and is currently filming.

The First Avenger:Captain America directed by Joe Johnston comes out on July 22,2011 and begins filming in June.

All this is building up to The Avengers which is scheduled for release on May 4,2012.

[ edited by Buffyfantic on 2010-04-01 20:13 ]
Yeah, I was excited by the notion of Joss doing a movie version of the British TV series The Avengers.

Ah, well. I see no reason not to post this perfectly good quote, anyway:

The Brit factor in Buffy is unmistakeable and given Whedon’s upbringing, hardly surprising. The characters of fatherly slayer mentor Giles (Anthony Stewart Head) and Billy Idolesque vampire Spike infused the show with a very British sense of humour and the heady mix of glamour, martial arts and irreverence echoed that quintessentially English hit show The Avengers.

“I watched an enormous amount of British TV growing up including The Avengers” acknowledges Whedon, “but I would say that Emma Peel was less representative of the show than John Steed was, because for me he was the very essence of cool - manifested in Buffy by Giles, though I didn’t give him a sword cane like he wanted."
- Joss, The Independent (UK), "Joss Whedon - And they call it Buffy love"

A woman can dream, can't I?

BTW, that reminds me: don't imagine I'll ever get tired of the notion of "female empowerment" - but I do get weary of that dreary name for it. Maybe we/I can find something snappier to call it. ; >
I don't think Joss would do a movie that has a release date before a script.


I dunno, if you look at his career-- scipt doctor, TV writer-- he's used to fast, high-pressure work. Some of his best stuff came out of those situations; I'd go so far as to say he thrives on it (or seems to).

He's a pro, I don't think a deadline would stop him from taking the project. If it wasn't what he believed in artistically, though, then yes, I'm positive he would drop it like a bad hat.
Great quotes as usual, QuoterGal. Not being a Marvel reader, I too thought of the British TV series. A Joss remake would be delightful. And very possibly commercial. I don't think either Summer or Eliza is right for the Emma Peel role, though. Why not cast an Englishwoman?
Kris said:
"So far, given that we only have the two Nolan-directed Batman films and Superman Returns to compare against Marvel's much larger big screen selection over the past decade and a bit, Marvel seems a lot more humor-friendly than DC".

I'd agree with you that Marvel's movies are more "humor-friendly" than DC's, but I think that some of that can be explained by a difference in strategy. Marvel has concentrated their movie efforts on their mainstream (in comics) superheroes, while DC's films have focused more of their attention on properties from areas outside of their "main" Universe. DC's recent and upcoming movies include V for Vendetta, Watchmen, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Constantine, Red and Losers. While Marvel still has and will produce more films, the disparity is not as great as it might first seem.
Simon asked:
Is there actually a standout Avengers story?

In addition to those mentioned before, I would absolutely include "Avengers: Forever" and "JLA/Avengers" (though the rights to that would most likely preclude it from ever being made into a movie). I also think that the Masters of Evil story from Avengers #270-277 was quite good, and several of the arcs from Kurt Busiek's run, especially the initial story of the team's reformation and his arcs with Kang and Ultron.
How much Joss would we get in an Avengers film, anyway? This seems like it would be work-for-hire simlar to his Glee and Office directing gigs.

Unless, of course, Marvel lets Whedon take control like they let Favreau lose on Iron Man. That worked out well, I thought!
works for me l just hope they let him do his way
This Avengers rumor is begging for clarification.

(It occurs to me that Joss has not stopped by Whedonesque in over four months! What up with that, Jah Sweden?)
For women in the movie, you could see Black Widow, the Wasp or She-Hulk if they wanted. She-Hulk would likely be an attractive, although not obvious, option as the role could be entirely CG with limited voice work, probably resulting in reduced costs.

However, I do not think Joss needs to hang a nail on a woman character. The bigger problem with the Avengers for Joss (and the reason he previously gave when stating he was not interested in the movie a while ago) was the lack of pain. Joss writes from pain, and the Avengers (historically) come together out of necessity/convenience. They are not forged of blood, but instead are forged to serve a goal. Joss needs pain. Joss could do a great hulk. He could do an interesting take on alcoholic Iron Man. He could bring somthing cool to a 'stuck out of time' Captain America. However, I don't think that playing with all of them at the same time is going to play to his strengths as he won't have time to find the pain... especially if he isn't writing it.
If he has no involvement in the writing, then I'm not really interested. I mean, if the reviews and word of mouth are both really really great, I might use the fact that Whedon's directing to justify going if a friend asks or something, I guess it's more likely I'll go if he directs but not by too much.
I think a lot of the flavor of these comic book adaptations comes from whatever director is in charge of them. There was a marked difference between X2 and X3 for example. And it's not like we're getting the same Thor from Kenneth Branagh as if Jack Black were somehow directing it (somehow his quasi-heavy metal background seemed Norse appropriate.)

Plus there was that marked difference between the Hulks. And in the second one they were even willing to cede some control to the lead actor in terms of the script and general direction. Plus they have been very open to letting Matt Fraction, the current writer of the Iron Man comics, play around with contributing to the Iron Man 2 film and video game.

I sort of assume that like the Twilight movies the Avengers is practically too big to fail so it doesn't much matter if they were to allow someone's vision to shine through assuming they show a sort of audience savvy. It's not like they immediately kicked off the Captain America director since Wolfman didn't perform to everyone's hopes.
I'm loving this thread.

Ok, so now Evans isn't playing Johnny Storm any more so it's ok for him to be Cpt. A? Okay well, I guess. But he's still Johnny Storm soo... that's annoying. Like they couldn't find one single other actor to play him. Right.

I LOVE that James Kirk's dad is going to be Thor. Nice. Though I would've loved to see Taylor Kitsch - oh wait, he's Gambit!

The Joss question is really a no-brainer for me. Love love love any and all involvement he would have in ANY superhero movie. Though we REALLY need a Melaka treatment. Oh please please? Someday soon?
I don't really get the argument that the Avengers won't have enough female characters for Joss, it'll likely be the same ratio of men to women as the the last season of Angel. 5 to 2.

AVENGERS: Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Ant-man, Hawkeye, Black Widow, the Wasp

ANGEL: Angel, Wesley, Gunn, Spike, Lorne, Fred/Illyria, Harmony

Also, directing a movie is a totally different deal than guest directing a TV show. In TV, the writer is king. In film, the director is king. If Joss directs The Avengers, it's going to have his stamp on it. And back in 2005, when Joss said he wouldn't do the Avengers, that was before he knew Robert Downey Jr. would be playing Iron Man. I don't think many directors would turn down the opportunity to work with Robert Downey Jr., and especially not Joss, whose style would seem to fit so perfectly with Downey's ability to effortlessly flip between comedy and drama.
They can say it's not an April fools joke until they're blue in the face. Whedon fans are an easy target. Drop something like this and watch the comments stir. Too easy.
One more point: Joss has finite time to give. If he is doing this, he isn't doing something else. Although I enjoy the Avengers and Joss, I think I'd rather see someone else do the Avengers and Joss doing something more Whedonesque.

[ edited by jgsugden on 2010-04-02 02:19 ]
Too easy.

Really? I require a candlelit dinner, a fine Filet mignon with a bottle of First Growth Bordeaux, and Crème brûlée before I put out.
So... exactly how long has it been, Tonya? ;)
I seem to have a vague memory of Joss saying in an interview once that he was not particularly into the Avengers. If he isn't, directing the movie would not exactly be following his heart. And his heart has shown excellent leadership qualities.
WOW, if this comes to pass it would be amazing! :) Joss should direct everything.
The rumor is that Millar's Ultimate run is being used as the basis of The Avengers film including The Hulk as a villain.


I'd say that's a good idea; his Ultimates were basically "Avengers minus capes and goofy flounced boots" and with more character layers (but unfortunately with Millar's adolescent streak gumming up the works.) Lots of stuff about superheroes doesn't quite work onscreen when those superheroes don't have the "icon" status working for them which allows people to get past the goofy outfits; Superman is Superman and Batman is Batman and Spidey is Spidey so they can look just the way they do in the comics, but the X-Men, Punisher, Blade, Daredevil, etc. needed tweaking. (Iron Man just looks bad-ass in general, he wears armor that shoots laser beams, so he can be translated directly from the comics.) I know it sounds minor but if you put the Avengers as they appeared in the mainstream comics up on the screen people will be laughing in the theater.

As for female characters, the Scarlet Witch is an obvious choice and she's also probably the strongest of the female characters the Avengers have used. (She even had a sort of Dark Willow arc.) The Avengers chasing the Hulk is a no-brainer of a great story idea for a first movie and it was also one of the very first Avengers stories from the comic way back in 1963. I think, personally, that they should give this lock stock and barrel to Jon Favreau, who has shown with Iron Man that he gets exactly how to make this kind of movie; also, I think the Avengers really needs to have the Iron Man/Robert Downey sensibility to succeed because the concept has an inherent goofiness that needs a light comedic touch in certain places, some sugar to make the medicine go down. I also don't think Joss is a great fit for this project because he has expressed a lack of interest in it before; he doesn't really see the point of the Avengers as a team, and he's right: there never was a point. They got together because they were Marvel's big superhero characters outside of Spider-man and the Fantastic Four. They aren't a family, they have no common bonds, and they aren't "avenging" anything. In the movie Nick Fury will recruit the team specifically to hunt the Hulk, which is fine, but they're basically soldiers on a mercenary mission, and besides that, as has been mentioned, someone else is scripting.

The movie Joss Whedon needs to direct, from a script by Brian Vaughn, is Runaways.
I have always wanted to see a BKV lead Runaways T.V. show. Just like with his Y:The Last Man, I can't see how a Runaways story could be told properly in 2 hours.
Just like with his Y:The Last Man, I can't see how a Runaways story could be told properly in 2 hours.


I agree, but the first arc of the series could be--the kids learn their parents are bad guys, get together and run, try to scavenge supplies from their houses, have a showdown with a few parents, Molly kicks butt and then gets sleepy and the kids hit the road with their telekinetic dinosaur. And we find out that one of the kids is a mole for the parents. To be continued! In Runaways 2 and Runaways 3 hopefully.
I always look at the potential for films as what Hollywood has done in the past (because we all know how much they love rehashing old stories) and I can't really pick any movie like Runaways. You've got six main characters alone to introduce and make into a 'superhero' team. It's not like the X-Men film where everyones already a superhero, (and Cyclops and Storm end up so much weak sauce anyway). A Runaways film would have to be pretty dialogue and plot heavy, and in Hollywood those things usually get scraped aside for explosions. The Runaways don't do much fighting in the first arc.

Man I really miss Runaways. After Joss's alright arc, Terry Moore just drove it into the ground. I know he is a highly respected creator in his own right but his arc was just really bad. Kathryn Immonen looked to be getting back on track but they didn't really give her much of a chance to do anything. And then they cancel it on a cliffhanger! >:(
Risch, good point, I didn't bring up the Vertigo/DC/Alan-Moore-penned comic-to-screen efforts in my previous post (kinda forgot about them, to be honest--just had superheroes on the brain, though I guess Watchmen fit into that category too). That would've been a fairer way to compare/contrast the "feel" both companies seem to have pulled off so far.

Kaan, it's okay to slam Terry Moore's weaker efforts the same way it's okay to do that for any writer. I loved the bulk of Strangers in Paradise (yes, it lasted too long and I still wish we could've seen the original, darker/sadder ending he planned for it before 9/11 inspired him to give the book a happier ending), but most of his Runaways stuff was...well, too slow, for starters. I did like that Moore respected what had already been established in the book (so far Runaways doesn't suffer from any continuity errors that I've spotted, not even after 7 or 8 writers, if you count the crossovers), plus he got off a few good moments, but for the amount of issues he was contracted to write for, his two arcs were stupidly slow and just kinda...mundane (and Humberto Ramos was completely the wrong artist for the series, much as I've enjoyed his work on a couple other comics. I guess they were trying to manga/kiddify it a bit?). Kathryn Immonen's brief arc suffered from being cut short before she could deliver any pay-off. They cruelly killed off , but I don't remember getting much emotional follow-up to that event, though it seemed like they were headed in an interesting direction with Chase, before they lamely had that character be hit by a car (bad cliffhanger, IMO). Apparently the book had become one of Marvel's worst sellers in terms of single issues, but it does very well in digest form (I guess at book stores, mostly?). Not sure how it does in full-sized trade paperback and hardcover form (probably pretty well, since they keep releasing and re-printing them). Rumor has it that the series will continue in graphic novel/digest format, no more monthly floppies, once Marvel gets its shit together.

I'm not huge on films of long-running comic book series as the the best option for adaptation (for that matter, I'd love to see some PG or adult animation when it comes to a lot of these properties, if they make it to the big or small screen, but live action is what's most heavily desired by the majority, for whatever reason and when we do get animation, it's usually cartoons squarely aimed at children, the Bruce Timm-like material is rare. It's not like your favorite comic book is any more or less legitimized for the general public, objectively, by live-action adaptation over 2D). When possible, please go TV. Still hoping that Y: The Last Man film/trilogy idea gets ground to a pulp and re-shaped as an HBO or Showtime series (say, three short seasons?), with Vaughan at the helm, or at least involved (he has experience writing Lost, so although he's never run his own show, he should still be writing the eps. BKV's said he'd change some of the things he did in the first arc and I wouldn't mind seeing what that'd entail (probably the Amazons as villains, or at least the way they were played for nuttyness.)
Kaan The Y; The Last Man movie is supposed to be the first 14 issues of a 60 issue series, don't say their trying to fit everything into two hours that's not true.

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