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May 05 2010

(SPOILER) Preview pages for Buffy #35. Cutting it close since it's out tomorrow but better late than never.

Wow.....

So does this mean that Twilight was influencing Angel to do those terrible things? Still need more. Why isn't it Wednesday yet!!!!
"I wanna know why Angel dressed like a fetish bad guy and became a killer!"

You and me both, Xander.
Goddess, this looks like it's going to be a good issue. Need it to be tomorrow today.
Can't wait!

Also, where exactly was Buffy's finger?
Well, it did what it needed to do. Frikkin' tease!
Buffy's finger... well... prostate comes to mind...
"I'm not sure 'killer' is the right word."

How about 'accessory to murder' if 'killer' isn't going to stick in this narrative space?

Is anyone else disappointed that the subject of Angel deceiving and manipulating for 33 issues appears to be something Buffy's already moved past? What happened in #33 boils down to--Buffy: You lied to me!/Angel: I lied to you because I know what's best./Buffy: Okay, lets have sex.

While it's nice to see Buffy acting more in-character here, it's not in-character for me in light of what happened before and during the 'afterglow'. Buffy doesn't deal well with being managed, manipulated and lied to. See her telling the council to "Bite me" in Helpless and shutting the door in Giles face in Lies My Parents Told Me. So I'm hoping what was addressed in one line in #33 gets brought back up again, because I don't feel it was dealt with before the glow overcame Buffy and Angel. Now that the glow has passed...
Yeah, but if Buffy was lobotomized 'off-camera' this will all make sense.
It has been hinted at that the forces at work here extend beyond S8. Extend back in time. The "fairy tale" is playing out here. Just as we all knew that the princess would prick her finger on the spindle in "Sleeping Beauty", fate is playing out here. Which isn't to say that Buffy (and perhaps Angel) will remain fate's bitches. Buffy is faith's bitch. Her entire life and existence was rewritten the moment she was Called. But, what made her special is the fact that she's always turned on fate and told it to "Bite her". And from what it looks like, Buffy's pretty much past the afterglow, and beginning to ask some pertinent questions, or rather make some rather pointed observations. So... she'll probably do the same here.
Angel seems shorter, somehow, without his "fetish bad guy" costume.

I'm counting on Joss's arc to completely answer all questions that Brad has left... well, unanswered. And to bring Buffy back in-character.
I'm just glad to see that Twilight is a place, I love that Xander is questioning why Angel would be bad instead of being snarky and "AHA, I always knew it", I love what Giles says in response.

I love seeing Buffy and Angel in back to back fighting stance,ready to fight together, protect each other, so sure badness is coming RIGHT THEN cause it always does when they get a moment of "peace", I even love the naughty talk and Buffy being all after-glowy.

Gah. Want this NOW.
This is just a few preview pages. Maybe, just maybe more questions are answered in the rest of the book. (Hopefully)
Did anyone else think of Admiral Ackbar from Star Wars when Buffy said "It's a trap?"

And, wow, this is quite a tease. I need more! I can't wait until tomorrow.
Nah, I thought of Mal in Serenity. :-)

And I think "killer" is exactly the right word. Can't decide whether it's that or the costume that's begging more desperately for an explanation, though.

(I'm not sure I buy Buffy saying "orcs," either, but that's a minor quibble.)
I totally thought of Admiral Ackbar. It made me crack up so hard that I almost couldn't take the remaining four pages seriously.
I'll buy Buffy saying orcs. I'm sure she's had to listen to lots of Andrew love for Lord of the Rings, though he'll surely have edited out how Spike was "like Gandalf the White, resurrected from the pit of the Balrog, more beautiful than ever. Ohh... he's alive, Frodo. He's alive."

Or maybe he didn't edit that out and that's how Buffy discovered Spike was back. Yep, still unclear on this because we're still lacking a textual yay or nay here. Blerg.
I know! You'd think in the three years this comic has been running they could've spelled this out for us. (I think we're meant to assume she knows .... but it's kind of a huge deal, so it's really annoying.)

how Spike was "like Gandalf the White, resurrected from the pit of the Balrog, more beautiful than ever. Ohh... he's alive, Frodo. He's alive."

This, however, is hilariously awesome. I can so hear Andrew saying that. :-)
"I wanna know why Angel dressed like a fetish bad guy and became a killer!"

You and me both, Xander.


He speaks for us all I think. As much as anyone could right now.
Giles: When you're born into the world, you vacate the old one. It becomes... ?
Exactly how many covers to this are there? Were there three Jo Chen ones? I could have sworn I remember seeing one floaty head montage with skinless Warren, one with Angel, and this site seems to have one with Twilight.

And incidentally yeah, I was thinking Ackar nod.
It's weird. Page two is the first time I thought comic Buffy looked hot.
@orangewaxlion: Two covers. The standard Chen and Jeanty deal. The Chen cover would have been released before #33 hit the stands, had the #34 cover debacle not happened. So, like the #33 covers, the Chen cover that would have been released was edited. In this case, I think they actually paid Chen a little extra to make them a cover with Angel wearing the Twilight mask, which would have been the version circulated in solicitations. The actual cover will be the maskless one.
As for a floaty head montage featuring skinless Warren, I think you're thinking of Chen's cover for #26.
I'm wondering why Buffy's hand is webbed in the second panel of page four.
In the very last panel who are the two in the background? And why is there hand on hip action? Plus why/what is Warren talking to Andrew about?
Not enough to go on yet. Least it looks like explanations are forthcoming (maybe not all in this issue, since there's still Joss' final Season 8 arc to get to), given how much questioning both Willow and Xander are doing. Hopefully Giles is forthright in his answers (no matter how it comes out though, lotsa readers are gonna say it sounds ridiculous. His exposition worked on the show, but even I think it plays a little awkward when written across the page. Plus on TV, they usually don't let characters have giant monologues like Giles has been getting recently--or, at least, the other characters interject more often. I just hope the mythology matches up with/doesn't contradict what little was already comfortably established across both Buffyverse series).

I can buy that he wouldn't have told them about Twilight before. Given that he thought it was just a myth and was just as likely as anything to come to pass (kinda like, "Hey, there're hundreds of different religions and dead religions, but there's no way to know that any of the prophecies therein are gonna rise up to bite us on the ass, so I don't need to sit Buffy, Willow, and Xander down every weekend for lessons on The Koran, The Bible's Book of Revelations, and Greek Mythology"). Then again, what the heck did they talk about in the many many scenes we didn't see in all those years they've known eachother ? Pestering Giles (or borrowing his books to read up on 'em myself) about the various demons, myths, and artifacts would've been something I'd've made priority if I was a part of their little group (although I do think we saw Willow and maybe a few other characters reading up on stuff for fun/out of interest at times. Xander and Dawn looking up the demon that had a name that they had differing opinions about on how to pronounce, the "Mmm'cookies" demon).
Kaan-I can't make out who that is in the last panel but I'm guessing it's either Satsu and Kennedy or Satsu and Faith.
Figures in the background are probably Kennedy and Dawn (if you mean the very last panel). Going by outfits, that is. And Andrew and Warren are probably still arguing about the shield. Typical.

[ edited by wenxina on 2010-05-05 06:35 ]
"I'm not sure 'killer' is the right word."

How about 'accessory to murder' if 'killer' isn't going to stick in this narrative space?

Is anyone else disappointed that the subject of Angel deceiving and manipulating for 33 issues appears to be something Buffy's already moved past? What happened in #33 boils down to--Buffy: You lied to me!/Angel: I lied to you because I know what's best./Buffy: Okay, lets have sex.

While it's nice to see Buffy acting more in-character here, it's not in-character for me in light of what happened before and during the 'afterglow'. Buffy doesn't deal well with being managed, manipulated and lied to. See her telling the council to "Bite me" in Helpless and shutting the door in Giles face in Lies My Parents Told Me. So I'm hoping what was addressed in one line in #33 gets brought back up again, because I don't feel it was dealt with before the glow overcame Buffy and Angel. Now that the glow has passed...
Emmie | May 05, 01:59 CET
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I have pretty much the same sentiments and especially with the characterization of Buffy - I would have thought her reactions would be more on the "outrage" mode considering what she has just experienced, both the cosmic sex playing out so soon after all of those slayers and other people have been killed. To me, it all seems very strange and inappropriate.

We will see what tomorrow brings -
Wicked.
I'm happy.
So, Twilight is a place ...
Cool!

Maybe Twilight is to the world (our world) what the dreamspace (from issue 1) is for the dreams ...?

Btw, I enjoy the many interesting and thoughtful commentaries on this site.
Buffy seems pretty pissed to have fallen for what she takes to be a trap. Just now,the target is whatever set the trap rather than Angel who fell for it too. However, "we're not talking about it" sounds like more like the morning after from Wrecked than any happy ever afterglow.
Speculation alert!

So Twilight is a place, possibly a bad place? that makes people do bad things i.e. make Angel a killer, and Buffy/Angel F@#$%*G made them reach this place, which is bad news for the rest of the world as it may open up doors to worlds where evil demon thingies attack and "the power of their love" will be the thing that fixes it? Or Twilight is a good place, but influences Angel to be a killer, and Buffy/Angel F@#$%*G may be good news for the rest of the world because "the power of their love" will fix things?

Consider me teased. Great preview pages this month. Have to say, those 5 teaser pages were a hell of a lot more interesting than the whole of issue #34 put together. Which means I'm looking forward to reading #35 and seeing where all this goes.

Erendis: how Spike was "like Gandalf the White, resurrected from the pit of the Balrog, more beautiful than ever. Ohh... he's alive, Frodo. He's alive."

This, however, is hilariously awesome. I can so hear Andrew saying that. :-)


This is taken from Angel S5, 'Damage' I believe. Which was an awesome episode. Emmie I think we're supposed to assume that Buffy knows Spike's "alive" as it were. Which is a shame, I'd have liked to have seen something in comic verse where she found out about it, but don't think its gonna happen.

Overall though, #35 is looking pretty good.
Can we have Buffy back please? You know the one who doesn't wait for orcs to show up, but who kicks the ass of the orc right at hand?

The one who thinks of her friends?

And I'm sic of Twangel too, can we have actual Angel too, while we're at it?
I missed world-weary Buffy.
"It has been hinted at that the forces at work here extend beyond S8. Extend back in time."

I think this would be horrible retcon. Here is the main problem I have. Giles has been aware of this for a long time, so it seems. That this could be possible. Yet he already knew that Buffy and Angel had boffed, all the way back in S2- which seems to be what's needed to bring this "Twilight" about. So why now? What's different? And why sex? Sesms to me, given recent interviews, that the sex was planned from the get go, so makes me wonder if they built the story around the sex, rather than the sex around the story. Bad all around.

Last question- who is going to die?
Where does it say someone's going to die? I don't see anything that says that.
The difference with now and then (S2) is that Buffy hadn't proven herself worthy yet, at that point. And Giles had no reason to suspect that Twilight was going to happen then. Why would he? It was a fairy tale that he placed pretty much no stock in, until now.
So while he was aware of the urban legend of the Slayer who would ascend and bring about the apocalypse, it's like saying that we're aware of "The Little Mermaid". Interesting story... but what of it? Is it merely a parable? A cautionary tale? Every action has consequences? Okay then, lesson learned.


[ edited by anca on 2010-05-05 15:22 ]
Nobody said someone had to die.

But the arc started on a panel depicting a gun.

Chekhov's law: gun must go off.
@shazzam: Ohhh, right. It's been ages since I watched S5 of Angel, and I'd totally forgotten that line. Explains why it sounds so completely in character though .... lol.
Watcher's Pet Maggie :I think what Dana5140 is saying (and I tend to echo it) is that (it seems, by now) that Joss "doesn't not-kill" at least one central character in a storyline.
One of the central characters has already been killed this season. Or maybe even two. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
DCA has it right.

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