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May 12 2010

How Buffy dropped the F-bomb. In the Season 6 episode 'Older and Far Away', you can indeed hear "and Mexico can fucking wait" being sung in the background.

I checked on my R2 DVD, it comes in around the 14:25 mark.

Hahaha. 15:00 on Netflix Instant.
F'ing A, knew Buffy would slip that in there. Oh and extra trivia, in the Angel episode Destiny, Spike's driving music is "Too Drunk To Fuck"
Mind=Blown!
Such a thing to hear after so much time with so many focused so intently for so long. Today is so six years ago. Again. I mean, earlier today was also kind of so six years ago. Again.

ETA I mean yesterday. I forgot I knew it was tomorrow already.

[ edited by peacemonger on 2010-05-12 08:15 ]
I was always listening to see if the "fuck"s in many of the Four Star Mary songs (band behind Oz's Dingoes Ate My Babies) made it into the show. But no luck (and they censored "Pain" on the first Buffy soundtrack too, which would've been really annoying if I hadn't already owned their first few CDs). Anyone keep up with that band ? I liked their self-titled debut and their second album, Thrown To The Wolves, a whole lot (plus the "Marlene" CD that had about three songs on it, I think), but lost interest after "Stripped" and "Welcome Home". I think they've had one or two full CDs since.

The Buffyverse also succeeded in getting on-screen Nina nipple onto the screen in "Smile Time". It's quick, but it's there. After she wakes up in the cage, after she'd attacked puppet-Angel in wolf-mode.

It was amusing (and felt kinda empoweringly-but-childishly-rebellious-in-a-"fight-the-censors/networks/watchdog-groups!"-kinda-way) at the time, even though by the time that ep aired in 2004 I'd long since seen more than brief nipple and heard more colorful than the f-word in HBO, Showcase, and British TV shows. But sure, groundbreaking for the woefully restrained network-TV-land.
I also remember that one of the final episodes of the show the captions said something like "you should watch your language, otherwise someone might think you're a woman-hating prick" and then the actual line that aired was "woman-hating jerk."

That sort of does away with one element of the joke in that case, assuming people think prick is a sufficiently naughty word. Also, it does seem wildly appropriate in context since some guy who stabs young girls presumably goes far beyond just "a jerk."

Also on the music point, I do remember a lot of Splendid songs had naughty words even during some of the most twee numbers. Including the track that was on the first Buffy soundtrack so I sort of wonder if they censored it or I'm mishearing through the Aussie accent.

Or like on Doctor Who Confidential they go hogwild with whatever deal it is they have regarding music licensing so it's practically the most glorious indie music selections that are vaguely appropriate for a 20 second montage (with the occasional ironically used pop or 80s song). Even if so many of those songs have words that would presumably be inappropriate for any child audience members.
Chance for me to roll out some of my favourite bits of trivia (being a fan of Mr Whedon's work and Rilo Kiley) - the guitarist from the band, Blake Sennett, played Michael the boy-witch in Gingerbread.

We also had Portions For Foxes (a Rilo Kiley song from the next album More Adventurous) played during the Caroline flashback scenes in the Dollhouse episode Echoes.

*crawls back under rock*
Fuck bomb!
And I just keep learning new stuff about BtS, after all these years. ;)
I always thought that was in there, but I just assumed I'd misheard the lyrics. I'm like, "Well, surely they didn't just say "fucking wait". Maybe Mexico can do something else."
It's funny that people need to check themselves, but yep, I did and its there. How awesome. Whenever I put that episode on again that bit of trivia will definitely come out to play.
I don't think it's 'awesome' at all. People need to wake up and realize that you can express yourself without swearing, and that it doesn't sound in any way 'cool' or 'adult'. It only makes you sound stupid. Why do people always think it's some sort of necessity?
I'll have to take your word for it; I don't hear well enough to pick that sort of thing out, not that I'd want to hear something like this anyway .

[ edited by DaddyCatALSO on 2010-05-12 14:47 ]

[ edited by DaddyCatALSO on 2010-05-12 15:22 ]
Noticed it the first time around but then, like jamesthegill, I'm a huge RK fan, so as soon as I realized it was "Pictures of Success" playing, I was anticipating the word. (And, btw, Jenny Lewis, to my mind, curses more endearingly than any other singer. And her lyrics are pretty amazing too, if not in Cole Porter's idiom.) Having grown up watching uncensored (at least after 9 p.m.) language on British TV, the fact that there was, gasp, a curse word on "network TV" didn't particularly move me one way or the other.
Thanks for the interesting bit of trivia jamesthegill! I just watched Gingerbread last night and that fact amuses me greatly!

That and Buffy's "did I get it?"
Huh. I always thought I was mishearing that. It's kinda neat knowing that I wasn't.

Watcher's Pet-Why do people always think it's stupid?
I noticed this while rewatching it one time. I figured that my mind might have filled in the blank (I <3 Rilo Kiley) or nobody cared because the song was just playing quietly in the background.

Also on the music point, I do remember a lot of Splendid songs had naughty words even during some of the most twee numbers. Including the track that was on the first Buffy soundtrack so I sort of wonder if they censored it or I'm mishearing through the Aussie accent.

I don't remember any swear words in that song.
I don't think anyone in this thread was amused by the word itself, just how it got past the network. Not that I have any problem with the word anyway.
The word itself can be funny. As with most things, context is all.

Watcher's Pet-Why do people always think it's stupid?

People don't, "people" do (they're a lot like "them") - just as one counter-example, i'm people and I don't ;). Said it before but i'll say it again - if the most available indicator of your intelligence is how much you swear then you have bigger issues you need to address IMO. Swearing can accompany stupidity but it doesn't signify it (anymore than not swearing means you're not stupid) and sometimes a curse word can be the most concise way to sum a feeling up (there're even inflections of curse words so 'shit' has slightly different - IMO softer, fluffier - connotations to 'shite' for instance).

As SNT says though, it's no biggie really. It struck me more when characters on the show would trot out 'wank' or 'wanker' left right and centre just because it didn't often fit the context to a British ear (obviously it means basically nothing in the US but is very much a post-watershed word in the UK).


edited to remove a 'you'. In this case it really wasn't me, it was definitely 'you'.

[ edited by Saje on 2010-05-12 16:17 ]
Rilo Kiley rules
In "Destiny" The song Spike is singing along to as he races his car to the abandoned opera house is " Too Drunk to F++k by The Dead Kennedys.


This amused me :)
Good find. Points for the site being named harry saxon!
Ah, good catch, debw. Context *is* all, as "people" (sorry, people) say. :-) The cursing in Deadwood was both appropriate for the time and place and, in slightly contradictory fashion, also beautifully written and delivered. As was that in The Big Lebowski. (Or, in another medium, that in "Straight Outta Compton"; well, "beautiful" in the same way a perfectly-thrown right cross is beautiful . . .). This is scripted swearing, of course. In my experience, which is vast, most "people" use curse words as punctuation, draining the words of their vitality. Or so it seems to me.

But there's not much to beat a well-placed fuck.
1) Saje: Swearing can accompany stupidity but it doesn't signify it (anymore than not swearing means you're not stupid)...

2) SoddingNancyTribe: But there's not much to beat a well-placed fuck.


1) F*ck, y*s, th*t's * f*ct, Jack.
2) There really fucking isn't. ; >

The refrain from Four Star Mary's "Pain"

"Don't stop, don't talk.
Do not fuck with me."


is so completely satisfying to sing that now that I'm (finally at my advanced age) going to get a driver's license, it's my Practice Driving Song. It helps me focus and feel less... timid.

Oh, yes, I'm a big fan of the well-placed fuck.
Swearing can accompany stupidity but it doesn't signify it

Exactly.

Plus, I can think of at least 4 instances where Buffy/Angel characters almost said the entire word aloud.

Vamp Willow in "Dopplegangland".
Buffy in "Life Serial".
Old Man in Angel's body in "Carpe Noctem".
Lilah in "Dead End".

[ edited by menomegirl on 2010-05-12 19:23 ]
Wasn't there a scene in Dollhouse as well?
I don't think it's 'awesome' at all. People need to wake up and realize that you can express yourself without swearing, and that it doesn't sound in any way 'cool' or 'adult'. It only makes you sound stupid. Why do people always think it's some sort of necessity?


First of all, I want to say that I really don't care that background music in a Buffy episode contains the word "fuck", so no, I don't think it's "awesome".

I do feel like you're being a bit too sensitive about the issue, though. They're just words, and sometimes swearing can be the best thing to say. If you sustain a really painful injury, after first screaming, would you say "ouch ouch ouch!" or scream a string of curse words? These words carry more emphasis and deliver the feelings a person is trying to convey, just like any other word out there. That's how language works.

I disagree that it makes someone sound unintelligent, but I do agree that it doesn't contribute to coolness or "adult"-ness. Like I said, they're just words.
SNT, your last post is divine. Not only for the accurate and shamefully rare Deadwood (everyone should allude to Deadwood at least once a day) nod, but for the last line, of which I completely subscribe to. :D
And all of this on George Carlin's birthday.
Happy Birthday, George, and RIP.
My father used to tell a story about swearing... I'll use **'s to avoid offence.

Apparantly genuine statement from a man up on a charge for assault

" Yes I F**ing hit the F***er. I came home after two f***ing years in the f***ing army and what did I f***ing well find? My f***ing wife engaging in illicit sexual congress with another man ."

Personally I don't like swearing used as punctuation and am more likely to say " BOLLARDS" than any expletive ( try it, it's very satisfying) but there are times when nothing but an obscenity will do :)
@debw: Now I'm thinking of a character like Frasier Crane saying, "Yes I illicit-sexual-congressing hit the illicit-sexual-congresser!"

Context is everything. I still remember the ER episode, with Mark Greene's last day in Hawaii. The character was wasting away from brain cancer. He spends several minutes silently trying to do what used to be simple things. He eventually falls down next to his bed, and Anthony Edwards explodes in the four letter "s" word. Startling, and a rather potent way of expressing the frustration that Greene had kept bottled up.
Hah, if that story isn't true let's just all agree to lie and say it is ;).

(and I like 'bollards' too but it's just not as satisfying as 'bollocks' IMO. It's the kicking 'k', good for both swearing and punchlines)

It helps me focus and feel less... timid.

That's the trick QG, I reckon the actual mechanics of driving are a lot easier than accepting that you're tearing towards someone at 60 MPH who could, with a slight flick of their wrist, rock you both off to the big sleep. Command your position as my instructor used to say ;).

This is scripted swearing, of course. In my experience, which is vast, most "people" use curse words as punctuation, draining the words of their vitality. Or so it seems to me.

That's true SNT but then surely they just become everyday language in which case treat 'em the same as other e.g. qualifiers or intensifiers ?

Agreed about the potency aspect though, s'why (despite what Warren Ellis says about its usage in the UK) I keep the "nuke from orbit" of swear words in reserve for the times when even the most perfectly placed fuck just won't cut the mustard (speaking of which - 'fuck' I mean, not mustard ;) - the opening 5-ish minutes of "Four Weddings and a Funeral" is still one of my favourite bits of scripted swearing, though there it's more a well placed bugger that makes the joke. Spot on about 'The Big Lebowski' and 'Deadwood' though).
The "nuke from orbit"? And what, pray tell, is that?
I personally don't curse very well so I refrain from it, substituting with basically a bunch of random noises and/or euphemisms unless otherwise necessary. Which is unfortunately tends to involve bad timing.

As for the Splendid song "Charge" Invisible Green, I was thinking that line "I love all the traditional things/domestic bliss and all that shit" but I suppose it could have been "domestic bliss and all that it is."
Oh, yeah, orangwaxlion, you're right. But "shit" isn't considered to be as offensive as "fuck." I'm not sure whether or not it breaks indecency laws.
We all know the restrictions of US network TV and suspension of disbelief is required for more than just the way characters speak, but after enough years watching this stuff (especially during scenes/plotlines of increasing violence and dire situations), it just sounds ridiculous for Jack Bauer, Buffy Summers, or the characters on Dollhouse to only be able to squeak out a "Damn it!!!" Yeah, a nuclear bomb is about to go off or a mole in my company has just shot up my boss, all I'm gonna say is "damn it".

It's not about the pretense of being/sounding more adult, it's about the dialogue sounding authentic. And on network TV, unfortunately, when it comes to characters feeling angry or passionate about something ('cause folks don't just swear when they're angry, they do it when they're feeling strongly about or really loving something as well), the lines often just sound neutered.

And yes, it is fun/awesome when they slip stuff by the touchy and apparently not very attentive censors. Just like when Joss was able to start showing Willow & Tara kiss, much to the WB's original reluctance (and staging that first on-screen kiss in the most casual, non-exploitative way), it's important to not bow to childish/puritan sensibilities in our entertainment.
Saje: That's the trick QG, I reckon the actual mechanics of driving are a lot easier than accepting that you're tearing towards someone at 60 MPH who could, with a slight flick of their wrist, rock you both off to the big sleep. Command your position as my instructor used to say ;).


That's the thing, Saje - my partner tells me I'm a grand driver - when I don't think about it - but the Zen Art of Driving gets a little tougher when your sense of life's fragility increases as you age. Kinda makes me wish I'd done this when I was much younger & had the illusion of invulnerability.

And is the nuclear option what I think it is?

Swearing Spoiler:

Because if so, have I got a whedon-y/twitteresque tale for you.
QuoterGal that's the one.
They went nuclear on Deadwood all the time.
Nuclear! In Scotland c*** can be affectionate.
If you sustain a really painful injury, after first screaming, would you say "ouch ouch ouch!" or scream a string of curse words? These words carry more emphasis and deliver the feelings a person is trying to convey, just like any other word out there. That's how language works.

You know, it's been a while, and I wouldn't know where to begin to find the article, but there was a study done on the effectiveness of cursing after an injury. Apparently, the anticipation and imagining of pain stresses the body before the actual signals indicating the pain reach the brain. Cursing vehemently after an injury alleviates a portion of that stress, and tricks the brain into feeling less of the imagined pain.
"Ah, good catch, debw. Context *is* all, as "people" (sorry, people) say. :-) The cursing in Deadwood was both appropriate for the time and place and, in slightly contradictory fashion, also beautifully written and delivered. As was that in The Big Lebowski. (Or, in another medium, that in "Straight Outta Compton"; well, "beautiful" in the same way a perfectly-thrown right cross is beautiful . . .). This is scripted swearing, of course. In my experience, which is vast, most "people" use curse words as punctuation, draining the words of their vitality. Or so it seems to me."

But there's not much to beat a well-placed fuck.
SoddingNancyTribe | May 12, 17:33 CET


I was so sad when "Deadwood" was cancelled - and I guess were are never going to get that promised film -
re: Swearing Spoiler. Thank you-kinda figured that was the one but with so many people from different countries posting here, I wasn't sure.

Also: that word is WAY cruder than 'fuck'.
Yeah, it's the end of the line as far as i'm concerned, not even compounds of other swear words touch it IMO. Hence "nuke from orbit" (it's the only way to be sure ;).

Re: 'Deadwood' and OT (since there's very little swearing in it), anyone watching "Justified" with Timothy Olyphant ? Not a bad show and if you squint a bit (OK, a lot. Like, basically close your eyes) it could be the much more polite great, great grandson of 'Deadwood' (not only does Seth Bullock star but W. Earl "Dan Dority" Brown guested the other week, as a murderous convict no less).

And is the nuclear option what I think it is?

Swearing Spoiler: the c-w*rd? ; >

Because if so, have I got a whedon-y/twitteresque tale for you.


Oh great, thanks for spoiling swearing for me !

(curious now. Whedony/Twitter swearstravaganza ?)

Yep, the nuclear option is indeed what you supposed QG. Warren Ellis said that in Britain (actually he may have said England, memory's fuzzy) we use it like punctuation (and certainly in all male groups, particularly working class, that's often true) but it's the one swear word that I don't use casually, just because I want one that's still a swear word to me (and not just the vicar ;).

(and yep, fair play fraac it can be affectionate. But then so can anything in 1,2,3 altogether now ... context ;)

It's not about the pretense of being/sounding more adult, it's about the dialogue sounding authentic.

Exactly Kris. I think "Odyssey Five" was one of the first US cable series I saw without realising it was cable and the swearing on there was a pleasant breath of realistic air (fictional air is so unfulfilling, barely worth expanding your ribcage for). When faced with a genuinely unfathomable sight a "Fuck me" just captures it better than a "Well, gosh", it's more like how real people talk (in my experience).

[ edited by Saje on 2010-05-12 22:50 ]
Thanks, jamesthegill (ETA: and Saje - you can tell this took me a while to write). I thunketh so, but wanted to be sure.

So, apparently someone on twitter got a tad tipsy a day or two ago, and decided to try & administer some verbal slaps to some of our whedon-y/dollhouse-y dears. They followed up their initial post with one containing a particularly nasty c-word tweet about Maurissa Tancharoen.

Which she naturally noticed and noted with her usual panache.

Her tweet, in conjunction with theonetrueb!x's earlier tweet-tee-idea made me come up with this particular shirt idea - while b!x had made his original idea.

Ms. Mo liked the idea, as did bunch of other interested folks, b!X and I joined forces - with b!X doing the lion's share of the work (note: link domain is NSFW) and he has placed a number of obscenity-laden and less-so variants in his online tee-shirt store. (Note: there is no mark-up on the shirts; they are not-for-profit and offered as a public service ; >) Maurissa likes the final product, which was the whole initial point of the effort. (But now everyone going to ComicCon can wear one - with one asterix or another - and show their Maurissa-ish support.)

So - therein hangs the tale. I'm glad the F-bomb gave me the chance to tell it. It's almost a kindof pink triangle-y thing - with swears.

I don't believe in "just words" - words matter, and with so few ways for most mortals (lacking telepathy) to communicate, I think we need to think about the ones we use.

Edited after reading recent posts: Yeah, here in the U.S. anyway it's considered quite crude, crass, sexist and mean-spirited & significantly worse than "fuck". I'm a swearer, but I almost never use it, and never use it seriously.

ET: fix a link AND note in this post that my tee designs using the word "CUNT" fully spelled out were removed from the store by Spreadshirt themselves, while b!X's were not. We dunno why.

[ edited by QuoterGal on 2010-06-03 18:42 ]
...you can tell this took me a while to write

That's a lot of links and links take time. Cheers though, now i'm no longer jonesing for the gen but am (metaphorically speaking) pleasantly replete ;). One of those things where it may well have been meant affectionately but just landed wrong (pissed or not though, you think twice before saying that about someone - in public no less - unless you know them really well) and you and B!x responded in fine style I reckon.

(i'd never wear it myself but the 'Sn*bby ...' one's my fave I think just cos it fits the Twitter exchange so perfectly - Maurissa's response gives it that all important context... Context is starting to read like an unword to me now, seen it too many times. Context context context context context. Yep, there it goes)
Hahaha! Good work QG and b!x. Yay for reappropriation!
LOL! I know a few ladies who'd love that t-shirt.

Way cool, you guys.
Yeah, Saje - that happened to me with "legitimate" recently - oh, and with also "agency" just the other day.

And honestly, if I wore a "Sn*bby ...." tee, I'd have to wear it under a shirt I could button or un- at will.

Thanks, jcs. Reappropriation Rules! And you, too, menomegirl - I have ideas all the time, but b!X has 'em, and gets them did, too, which is extra supernacular.
Or supernuclear. ;)

Ya I think it's funny when guys call each other that. In no way is it funny when it's used toward a woman. Still I say YAY on the shirts.
A woman could maybe get away with saying it affectionately of another woman (who was a close friend) but a man couldn't say it (even affectionately) of a woman I don't think, too many connotations (though it depends on the particular relationship of course).
Some of the best writing I've ever seen is from The Wire, and this scene proved to me that swearing can be done well in a show.
(Not at all work safe!)
Re: 'Deadwood' and OT (since there's very little swearing in it), anyone watching "Justified" with Timothy Olyphant ? Not a bad show and if you squint a bit (OK, a lot. Like, basically close your eyes) it could be the much more polite great, great grandson of 'Deadwood' (not only does Seth Bullock star but W. Earl "Dan Dority" Brown guested the other week, as a murderous convict no less).

Saje | May 12, 22:48 CET


*raises hand* I am, I am!

Count me among the many mourning Deadwood. What a lovely show. Don't know how many people would use that word, but I think it fits.

When I saw the previews for Justified, I thought, "Yes! Timothy Olyphant back to being a badass on my tv. Hooray!" It might not be Deadwood, but it'll suffice for now. And I loved your description of it, Saje. Well phrased. :)

This isn't Deadwood related, but I also really enjoy having Walton Goggins back in a series since The Shield ended. He's a terrific actor.

On-topic: I also enjoy a good swear word now and then. But I never use the nuke. Ever.

[ edited by guidedby on 2010-05-13 01:53 ]
They really aired a quick shot of Nina's nipple? Wouldn't Jenny have been wearing pasties or something?
Someone said it was her nipple. You couldn't really tell from the screenshot. It's nothing to her excited about.
I haven't looked at the screencaps but it looked like the real thing to me.
TooSly4u, by all accounts, Nathan Fillion was completely nude for the back/butt shot at the end of "Trash" (possibly for the sitting-on-the-rock opening shot as well?). Not necessary, but I guess he decided to just go for it for the humor/the good on-set story it would provide/to make the scene more authentic ? Maybe Jenny Mollen felt the same way about the Nina-waking-up-post-wolf-out scene and declined the pasties ? Lotsa folks aren't too self-conscious about displaying nudity and it seems like with actors, even moreso.

And yeah, though I'm the one that brought it up near the beginning of this thread, gotta agree--the nipple is really no big deal and really quick (either it's blurred a bit due to her moving or she covers it up with her arm/hand really quickly, I forget. Not the most important/entertaining thing about "Smile Time", just a nice, possible network-TV-first in addition to all the other ways in which that nutty episode rocked).
Hey, I was actually wonder what that whole Snobby issue was. It actually does tie back into my Splendid point though-- in one very poppy song about cheating with the phrase "fucking really fucking matters" (Erm, should I be censoring even if it's an academic point?) there's either the phrase "there might be nothing left between us/but images of cunt and penis" or "...but images that come between us." (I think there's the possibility they're both in the song?)

Man, I still want that album so hard... I mean yeah I recognize the fact that here in the US that word in question is still particularly sacrilegious to use but that is such a strange and kind of evocative rhyming couplet...
I would think the Nina nipple would be just as big a deal as lyrics containing the word "fuck" playing in the background of a scene.

It wouldn't really be a case of Jenny's preference on how to play the scene. If Edlund (the director) was shooting the scene with the intention of coming that close to showing that which cannot be shown, he would of had the costume department cover his ass by slapping pasties on her.

If Jenny was playing fully nude and Edlund accidentally shot her nipple, it still would've been caught in editing. They would've at least pixelated it. Most likely, they would've chosen one of the many takes where her nipple is not visible.

Fillion playing fully nude in "Trash" probably caused all kinds of problems for the director and editors. It's not really a case of modesty -- it's practicality. American network television can't show certain parts of the actors bodies. The directors come as close as they can, but when they do there's close scrutiny.
Saje, I've affectionately nuked a woman. An American woman at that, for whom I believe it's far worse. She used to boast about how often I called her it. Think it made her feel worldly.

It's all good. :)
I just want a snobby grinch t-shirt.
Haha. I actually discovered that a long time ago (being a big fan of Rilo Kiley's music). Sooo funny! :)
Sometimes it's just as fun *not* to swear. I'm thinking of two of Cosby's old routines (loosely copied):

1) "You don't want to swear in front of your kid. If it was another adult, you'd be saying, what the filth foul filth I'll filth foul your foul filth! But in front of a child, you say, what the... I'll bust... get outta my face!"

2) "If you are in a car accident, you are going to have soiled underwear. Because first you say it, then you do it."
orangewaxlion: I mean yeah I recognize the fact that here in the US that word in question is still particularly sacrilegious to use but that is such a strange and kind of evocative rhyming couplet...

See, in the context you quoted - in a song using both "cunt and penis" like that - I don't find anything offensive about its use at all. It's more clinical when used thusly and not being flung as an offensive epithet. It feels neutral in that (kinda clever) lyric.

As has been mentioned above, context is crucial.


fracc: Saje, I've affectionately nuked a woman. An American woman at that, for whom I believe it's far worse. She used to boast about how often I called her it. Think it made her feel worldly.

I can imagine accepting from a friend in the right circumstances - although I've never had a friend in my many years that did use it thusly - but I don't imagine it would make me feel worldly. Probably just... tolerant and a little wry. Unless they were trying to needle me and it pissed me off.

BTW, b!X says it looks like my (only) versions of "Sn*bby Cunt" tee have been taken down by Spreadshirt - dunno why, nor what happens now if you've already ordered it - as I have myself. ; >

I'll keep folks posted on twitter.
TooSly4U:
"...he would of had the costume department cover his ass by slapping pasties on her."
LOL. The mechanics of this escape me.
About the Fillion nekkidity in the famous Trash scene -- I believe this was the occasion on which Nathan obtained a head shot of Joss, sized it appropriately, and glued it onto the potentially offending area.
Please correct me if I'm wrong about when he did it. I know he DID do it. Accuracy cOunts.

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