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May 19 2010

The Top 75 Whedonverse Women. "UGO counts down the most Hellish-ly hot women the Whedonverse has to offer".

Celebrate "Joss Whedon Day"? What's that about then? Just an UGO thing?
Pretty horrid order. Ashanti...? How in the world is Morena Baccarin not in the top 5? She is the Hera incarnate!
I agree that the order is highly wonky here.
Horrid order. And what the hell with Eliza's description?
Uber cheesy...
Aly at #25? Heresy! And Glory was "smuggled to death"? LOL!
SoddingNancyTribe - Yeah, UGO did a whole celebratory thing. I won DVDs!

And count me as another gagging over the order here. Eve? Veruca?!? And Miracle Laurie is a gorgeous girl, so it seems somebody actively sought out the worst still EVER. Umm, an 'A' for Effort, I guess.

Charmuse - Bahaha, I didn't catch that brilliance. I hear import/export can be dangerous that way.
Yeah, Aly should have been MUCH higher on the list. The fact that Varuca beat her (and Ashanti, for that matter) is incredibly wrong on many levels.

And I thought the insult of Dollhouse in Eliza's description was too much. The main audience of this article are Whedonverse fans, so why insult one of the shows so badly?

Other than the order and the Dollhouse insult, I thought it was a very fun list. Now we need one for the men!!! : )
The Dollhouse sting doesn't bother me so much; I would have likely said something equally snarky. Echo still bums me out a little.

Ditto on the men, though. Now that you've mentioned it, mossome, I think I'll be making my own list (committed to memory), hmm... :)
How could they list Sarah Thompson instead of Stephanie Romanov and where's Juliet Landau?
I was a bit pissed that Felicia Day was only at number ten, but I think they made up with it by putting Summer in the number one position. :P I think they could have chosen I better picture, though.
Did i miss something? They mention The Malady's to be on USA. I
hadn't heard (meaning read it here) anything beyond it not being picked up by HBO.

Agreed, the rankings are a bit wonky, but then if I were to rank them there would be a 5 way tie for number one (I'd swap Felicia for Charisma) and ten way ties for 2 and 3. All the Whedonverse women are beautiful.

[ edited by andOtherDreams on 2010-05-19 08:07 ]
Okay, if you have to put a one episode guest star (in a very unmemorable role with average acting and isn't overly attractive) you probably have a list with too many spots.

Glau's arms look scarily thing in her picture, and most of the photos are aurbrushed to the point where they don't look like them. Disappointing.

[ edited by Gouki on 2010-05-19 08:29 ]
Um... what?

I'm going to try not to insult the various actresses on this list (although Eve over Inara? REALLY?), and I know that everyone in the world has different opinions in what they find attractive. This guy obviously favors girls of the paler variety with high cheekbones and small features. However...

Where in the frontdoor was Gina Torres?!? You're going to pull a random skanky werewolf from a one-off and leave off one of the most statuesque, powerful actresses in the 'Verse. Really.


Shun this stupid list! SSSSHHHHHHUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
Did i miss something? They mention The Malady's to be on USA. I
hadn't heard (meaning read it here) anything beyond it not being picked up by HBO


No you didn't .There has been no news about The Malady's other than it was wasn't picked up .

There is also I noticed a mention of Mercy (Michelle Trachtenberg's show ) being renewed and that isn't true
I stopped reading at #25. Complete garbage.
Vapid pop stars, no-name potentials and other various one-offs, but no Stephanie Romanov, Juliet Landau, Robia LaMorte, Gina Torres or Alexa Davalos? What are these people smoking?

[ edited by aeval on 2010-05-19 09:36 ]
It's like they picked their top 25 and then just ran the entire list through random.org and just posted what came out of it...
Re: borked order, I also am appalled that opinions of attractiveness are subjective. Storm the barricades this instant ! Next instant we can grab a beer or something, maybe make a day of it if the weather's nice !

(don't think i've ever agreed completely with the rankings of any ranked list for anything that's ever appeared on here. So it goes)
You can nitpick rankings according to individual taste, but leaving off both Stephanie Romanov and Gina Torres is totally unforgivable.
I think the author listed the gals alphabetically - in Fyarl.
Hmm, I take it the 'future drunk' line in Charisma's profile about Xander is a knock at Nicky.


Just personally, I'd add: Gina Torres, Stephanie Romanov, Navi Rawat & Liza Lapira. Oh, and if it doesn't make things weird, Maurissa.

I'd also have Julie Benz way higher.
Kristy Swanson.

Respect.
The order of the rankings doesn't bug me that much, but it's just not a list without Gina Torres on it.

[ edited by Still Flying on 2010-05-19 13:32 ]
How is Alyson Hannigan number 25? And how is Eliza not at the top of the list? No disrespect to Summer but - seriously?
A lot of you seem pretty indignant that this dude doesn't have the same taste in women as you guys. I think some of the choices (Ashanti, Veruca, random Dream Slayer) are pretty bizarre, but some of the choices just come down to taste. For me, Summer is *definitely* hotter than Eliza. She's good looking, yes, but she wouldn't even be in my top fifteen. And yeah, Sarah Thompson > Morena for me as well.
This is just a list, ranked according to what they think. It's not gonna make everybody happy.

If I were to make a list, it wouldn't have Gina Torres either. I just don't think she's attractive.
As soon as I saw Sarah Thompson and Ashanti ranked higher than Alyson I knew this list was nonsense.
This list, just like every other of its ilk is, was and always will be nonsense. It's purely for fun and maybe generating discussion, otherwise it serves absolutely no purpose and holds no meaning just, as I say, like all the others (obviously including the ones we totally agree with).

If I were to make a list, it wouldn't have Gina Torres either. I just don't think she's attractive.

Oh she'd be on my list for sure but it doesn't exactly bother me that's she's not on this person's, who cares right ? Their entirely subjective opinion doesn't make it any less true that I think she's gorgeous. Likewise, Summer might be at or near the top of mine but it's not any more true because our entirely subjective opinions happen to agree on that point.
My biggest complaint - whats with that horrible SMG outfit?
This list, just like every other of its ilk is, was and always will be nonsense.


Some lists are very good at reflecting the mood of the fans and critics and those are the ones that I really take notice of. Other lists are just pure hit grabs.
Walkdogger- Yes. Agreed.
Some lists are very good at reflecting the mood of the fans and critics and those are the ones that I really take notice of. Other lists are just pure hit grabs.

I don't really take much notice of any of them in and of themselves Simon, it's the discussion that makes them worthwhile to any extent (the mood of the fans doesn't interest me and by the time these sorts of lists tend to show up the mood of the critics is usually pretty apparent from reviews etc. though beyond possible impact on ratings/renewals, the mood of the critics doesn't particularly interest me either).

"Hit grabs" can be annoying and are definitely cynical but if an interesting discussion arises then they're just as worthwhile as any other list (to me).
Gina and Morena could have been in the top 15 easily!
Occasionally a list will come along that is thoughtful, somewhat original, and well-presented. We linked to one - on a more technical theme, IIRC, - not too long ago, which offered well-chosen video clips to support its discussion, that I really enjoyed (and, now, I'm completely blanking on what it was. It was *that* memorable. ;-).

"Hot Girlz" lists, on the other hand, speak for themselves. (And this one has definitely upped the cheesecake factor in its choice of pics. I'd actually give 'em points for obscurity, though.)
Yuch...to the Nth degree. Who chose the cheesiest, most degrading pictures possibe. Willow is in the 25th position, that can't be right in any universe. The whole thing is ridiculous and offensive
Mmmmm....Veruca.
First thought: Given that Joss's various universes aren't connected, I figured, "Okay, I'll still give it a look." Altho I was thinking that*, in the Buffyverse alone (12 out of the 15 seasons) there were less than 30 important continuing characters of both genders. So I was curious.

I haven't gotten past the first page yet. Aly in25th place I could ascribe to taste, but it still seemed just wrong. But includign a one-shot guest star from a minor episode like Ashanti told me this wasn't a vitally important read for me, and the comments above reinforce my opinion. I mean, I personally find Megahn Perry more attractive, to me, than I do Emma, CLare, SMG, etc. But given Theresa's unim[portance to the plot, I would never put her in a list like this, meant to be general.

I miss lukeyboy's Babes of Buffdom website....
So, am I the only one to be unhappy at the very exploitative nature of most of the photos? Most of these characters are strong women, and the performers are actresses, but the vast majority are presented as if they were soft porn stars.

So, only me, then? I'll just be over here in the corner...
The list order was changing as I was going through it. At one point I saw Mercedes McNab listed twice! So I went back to see what was happening.

The list is now at a count of 35... more entires, but the order still gets a WTF?! at several points.

ETA: Wanted to add that many of the photo choices are of the Maxim type and not evocative of how they were portrayed on the actual Whedon shows, which is disappointing. But then lists ranking women on subjective hotness is objectifying, so I 'spose the photos are appropriate to the occasion...

[ edited by 11thHour on 2010-05-19 21:15 ]
But then lists ranking women on subjective hotness is objectifying...

And yet we all do it, life eh, weird.

(assuming it's still objectifying when it's men of course ?)

So, am I the only one to be unhappy at the very exploitative nature of most of the photos?

*cough* 3 posts upthread *cough* "degrading" *cough* ;).
Thank you Nicole and UGO What a sweet and sexy list and pics. Hard to believe Sarah or Eliza weren't number 1.
To me, Morena is a little thin, but it is a subjective matter as many already posted.
This list, at least, has the merit to show women, and not only teenagers, as most of the recent ones (is there some kind of "Hot women list" season?)
Eh... Jenny Mollen and Clare Kramer should definitely be higher in the list (and yeah, I too find the lack of Robia LaMorte, Juliet Landau and Alexa Davalos really... weird) but other than that, I think it's a great list. *shrugs*
Objectifying... some may rail against it, but the behavior is hard wired into we humans. It's all part of the lizard brain, the part of us that also kicks in so we can uncritically enjoy 'Glee'. ;-)

(And yes, it's objectifying when it's men too. Although the effect is somehow more cheesy for them when they're trying too hard. Double standard?)

Still, if this is a Whedonverse ranking, then the photos really should have shown these lovely ladies in their characters from the shows. What's wrong UGO? Not enough screen captures showing the babes all cleavagey, sultry AND soaking wet?

ETA: Azariie: Hey, thats right! Alexa Davalos is not on the list! Well that just goes to show how seriously flawed this list is. Btw, Juliet Landau is on the list, but a cool shot of her as Drusilla would have been nice.

[ edited by 11thHour on 2010-05-19 22:16 ]
Yeah. The list keeps changing. But at least now Gina Torres is on it!!
Quickly, revise the lists's entirely subjective status to "valid" in that case ! ;)

Although the effect is somehow more cheesy for them when they're trying too hard. Double standard?

Well, it makes sense you're less offended by it 11thHour (makes sense I am too for that matter, men don't have to worry so much about how we're perceived - for now that is, it's changing and not really for the better IMO).

And yep, we all size up the opposite (or same, depending on preference) sex as to attractiveness and any appraisal means ranking. I can see an argument that it's worse when it's what you might call "institutionalised" objectification though, when you're bombarded with it over and over again.

And also yep, I like my Lizard - he warns me about dark places and dangerous situations and he always, always gets me home when i'm drunk. We're close me and him ;).
A lot of you seem pretty indignant that this dude doesn't have the same taste in women as you guys.

If he had the same tastes as me, it wouldn't be a Whedonverse Women list.

My issues is including one episode guest stars (who have about twenty minutes screen time) as "Whedonverse Girls". And, also, those horribly airbrushed photos. They are just awful awful awful.
I object to the quality of this objectification! If Stephanie Romanov and Alexa Davalos are not on list, while quest shot, less hot (yeah, I said it!) women are on the list, then the list is just plain invalid.

And my lizard brain says so!

Saje - My theory is that objectifying keeps increasing as a means to pressure folks to keep purchasing more and more appearance enhancement products. Men didn't used to have the same appearance pressures as women (they had to deal with "success" pressures), but the explosion of images and video in this digital online age has everyone feeling like they need to look like a movie star, or be at risk for being deemed low in ranking. The rather base rating process really got rolling with the movie "10", people were assigned numbers.

Btw, the photo of Summer Glau may just tie for over 'shoppedness with her 1st gen image on the Serenity DVD cover. At least her eyes are still their proper color on this list. As beautiful as so many of these women are, so many of these images barely resemble the real person. It's a ranking based on fantasies... not to be confused with real life.
...aaaaannnnd now Aly's at 35. Nerts to this list.
35 !?! It's alive, alive I tell you !

My theory is that objectifying keeps increasing as a means to pressure folks to keep purchasing more and more appearance enhancement products.

Well, I doubt the people selling those products will mind that it's increasing, put it that way 11thHour, unrealistic aspirations are their stock in trade. My own feeling is that, as you say, the actual urge to objectify in general is built-in, it's part of how we deal with the world (simplifying multiple complex variables down) and the urge to objectify on physical attractiveness is just an aspect of that ('10' maybe popularised explicit "scoring" but before that we'd still think, basically - and basely ;) - "I would", "I would more" etc.).

Which doesn't necessarily mean, BTW, that we shouldn't seek to change it, a thing being natural doesn't make it right and as with some other built-in human traits, it no longer quite suits the modern environment we live in. Take the urge to gossip for instance - it serves an important, useful purpose in small groups like those we grew up in 100+ thousand years ago (cementing relationships, sharing useful information about potential cheats, sexual partners etc.) but today the same urge pushes us to "overfeed" ourselves with gossip about people we have absolutely no relationship with whatsoever (and never will). The urge to eat fatty foods, same deal - bloody handy when those things were rare, dangerously unhealthy when we can get them more or less whenever we want. Our own hard-won "tools" have turned against us effectively and the same thing applies to the extremes of objectification, it's just a function of culture/environment changing much more quickly than our bodies/minds.
Yeah I was pretty put off by the photographs. Objectification doesn't exactly mean 'finding someone attractive', it's about viewing someone as mere body parts and not a whole person, which these photographs promote by focusing on cleavages and not the roles the women have played.

I'm sure we all love Amber Benson more for being a totally rad person that because she has breasts. And if you don't feel that way then I guess I feel sorry for you for buying into all that crap about what makes a woman attractive.
Objectification doesn't exactly mean 'finding someone attractive', it's about viewing someone as mere body parts and not a whole person, which these photographs promote by focusing on cleavages and not the roles the women have played.

Well it's not exactly that either though that's definitely one aspect of it (also not seeing the subject as having their own volition, aims, thoughts, feelings etc.,as being there solely for the "use" of the objectifier and so on).

But 11thHour and I weren't really talking about "finding someone attractive" anyway, we were talking about listing people (women in this case) in ranked order based on physical attractiveness alone. Which is seeing them as bodies rather than people, actual and whole. Distasteful as it may be when presented that way though, I still think we all do it (just implicitly), no matter how politically correct we may like to think we are. What drives you to find out if someone's "rad" (or not) for instance ? I guess the fairest way would be to always get to know everyone you meet before deciding but i've never met anyone that does that and i'd submit that's just not how attraction works - in most situations you judge someone based on how they look first (and you implicitly rank them either against other people or against closeness to your "type" while doing so).

To me it's also important to remember that, though Amber Benson seems great from what i've seen and heard, most of us don't know her - or any other cast member - at all.

(interesting to me BTW that they seem to have removed the photo of Jenny Mollen which was from her role as Nina and substituted a magazine photo, possibly because in the magazine photo she's got clothes on. Also of note, when I checked, the photos are roughly split between in-show and non-show shots and if you count promo shots as being from the show - a bit thin, granted - then in-show shots might even just be in the majority)
Top 50 now. It's gone from sublime to ridiculous.
Personally I applaud their efforts to save bandwidth. Pretty soon it'll just be "Whedonverse Women" thus very handily saving 11 bytes per page hit. And given the number of pages required to cover every woman that's ever appeared on a Whedon show that could really add up.

(what was it you said about hit grabs Simon ?)
I really don't know. I've never seen anyone keep adding to a list like this before. And still leave Alyson in last position each time.

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