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June 16 2010

'The Cabin in the Woods' release likely to be pushed back says THR. It's all do to with MGM's woes.

Well, at least they finished the movie. Which means we'll see it eventually.
No more delays! We're already scheduled to wait 11 extra months. How can we bail MGM out of debts with out cold hard movie ticket cash if there is no movie to watch?

I had difficulty understanding the comment at the end with two separate MGM's- the old and Mary Parent. Is the insider suggesting a fault with Mary Parent wanting Bond to come out in November? Is that too soon or too late, or right on time? I haven't even seen trailers for a new Bond, when is it scheduled for release? For clarity's sake, they should have added more detail so I can read the tone of the insider.
We're never going to see this movie.
Korkster, as far as i know Bond was disbanded due to lack of money several months ago so Nov would be way too soon to have it done by!!
And grrr argh to the delay!! I need my Whedon-y screen adventures much sooner than this!! Should we just form a company and buy the rights and send out the reels ourselves? Let's see...about 50,000 dollars per reel, so 2 reels per cinema, 50 states, umpteen cinemas per state...plus the rights price, huh, maybe not!
Oops, forgot the international market and advertising. The first comment had it right, Balls!

[ edited by BlueSkies on 2010-06-16 17:10 ]
Somebody told me earlier in the week that Cabin isn't so much likely to be pushed back any more -- it just has no release date as MGM have no money to release it.
Sucky situation.Between this and The Hobbit woes,anything related to MGM seems to be cursed.
Seems stupid that they have no money but a movie that they have already spent millions on is just going to sit on the shelf when it could be released and earn millions more. no way it wouldn't at least cover its advertising and distribution budget surely?
All you can do is shake your head.

I will never understand Hollywood. Don't studios do budgets before embarking on a project. Did they sit around and go, "Okay we got the money to make the film now, but not to release it. So we'll just go ahead and make the damn thing, and then hope that in a years time we got some coin in the petty-cash tin to get it into theaters and sell some gorram movie tickets."
You can't release a movie and expect it to perform if you don't have the cash upfront to spend millions on marketing. It might be able to cover its costs, but no one in their right mind is going to loan MGM the money to advertise it. MGM has no money. I'm surprised the employees are still getting paid. I don't think this movie will come out until MGM is sold off in parts and someone else releases it. I'd set your calendars for 2013 or 2014.

Kaan, it has nothing to do with "Hollywood." It has to do with a bankrupt company that has no cash. Every other studio has money to market their films.

[ edited by TamaraC on 2010-06-16 17:40 ]
I don't think they had even got as far as having a completed script for 'Bond 23' (certainly haven't announced a title.) In fact, I just glanced at wikipedia and it looks like they replaced Peter Morgan from scripting not too long before it was put on "indefinite hold." I've grown up watching Bond and I have to say that the troubles over it are probably more worrying to me than 'Cabin.' I really hope this isn't the end to one of the great British institutions (I doubt it will be... but still.)

That isn't to say I'm not worried about 'Cabin' too. I'm sure we will probably be seeing it released at some point, even if MGM just put it on limited release in an attempt to get some money. It is in the can isn't it? Of course, that wouldn't be ideal. This was meant to be the film that was big for Whedon and had already been getting some good buzz around it months before its first (or was it second?) attempted release date. It is so disheartening that even when he gets great support from the money men he is still unable to get his work out there.
MGM have serious financial problems. They owe $4 billion. They had to effectively get a special loan to release HOT TUB TIME MACHINE, and we all know how that worked out.

It's a sucky situation, but it's a very unusual one. Joss project and unusual? I bet you're all dying in shock.

If I had to place my bet I would say Fox or Paramount will pick up CABIN (if they're smart) or it will wait until somebody buys MGM's assets in full or part.

By the way, Joss - screen it for Fran.
Vandelay, the rights to the Bond franchise is one of MGM's strongest (most valuable) assets. Sony or 20th or someone will buy those rights in the fire sale when MGM is finally sold off. The Bond franchise will live on. Don't worry over that.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So about that 3D...
Christ on a cracker!!! >:(
It's coming to you in glorious 2D, is my understanding.

[ edited by gossi on 2010-06-16 18:29 ]
Damn. I wonder if MGM's troubles means they'll be more willing to sell it for a lower price. If another company is interested, that is. And I'm hoping gossi's 2D comment is true...
Kaan, it has nothing to do with "Hollywood." It has to do with a bankrupt company that has no cash. Every other studio has money to market their films.

Well I was kinda just venting a bit...

MGM have been in debt for years. It's not like this was a sudden collapse. And I have always assumed that Hollywood, seeing as that they are in the business of making money, wouldn't go ahead with a project if they didn't have the necessary funds to actually make money off of it. What's the point of green-lighting a project if you don't have the money to release it?

But yeah the whole thing sucks all right, and if what you say about the employees of MGM maybe not getting paid if things don't turn around for the company, then there's more important things to worry about than seeing a movie.
When MGM picked up Cabin in 2008, the Variety story headline was something like 'MGM spends big on projects'. Back then the idea was to use the money they had to make great movies and release them.

Then the economy collapsed, and with it credit facilities.
I think Mary Parent is cursed. Serenity, tanked. Goners, limbo. Cabin, sinking.
The mistake they made was the decision to convert it into 3D. It has shown itself that converting 2D to 3D serves only as a gimmick to make three more dollars a ticket off people. It also looks like total shit. Remember Clash of the Titans?
If for some ungodly reason it didn't come out in the cinema, could it go straight to DVD?
The irony of the 3D thing will never cease to astound me. It was never the right
move for this film, even if they knew it was ironic.
I think they should split it into 3 acts and release it on iTunes.
I'm sure it could, Simon. 20th HE is releasing it.
It's a $30m investment so I think direct to DVD would have to be years down the line, if nobody picked it up.

The 3D thing was, at a complete guess, an attempt to keep some new movies as part of their portfolio. Also, converting to 3D is actually quite cheap, so it can pay back big.
Wow - the suckage continues. From 2D ---> 3D ---> FU.

Aside from CiTW, which I've been waiting for with my tiny heels clicking impatientIy on the parquet floor, I also find it discouraging about the biz that folks don't want to finance that venerable Hollywood institution MGM. The Lion... whimpers?

Though I confess I did laugh at this tweet I saw by @Bandini1 via twitteresque:

"Whedon's Cabin the Woods pushed back - as if millions of Whedon fans suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced..."
Yep, there was a great disturbance in the farce, then it continued ;).

I really hope this isn't the end to one of the great British institutions (I doubt it will be... but still.)

The Bond franchise is about as close to a licence to print money as exists in film-land (the last two have grossed well over a billion dollars between them), if/when MGM is broken up for parts i'd bet it'll be one of the highest valued assets they own. Rest assured Vandelay, "James Bond will Return" ;).

(my main worry is that it might take so long they'll have to make cast changes)

Bad news about 'Cabin', without some working capital they can't release it on a large scale (though I guess that could change fairly quickly, however unlikely it may look now - if they do get some cash they'll presumably release shelved films first looking for quick revenue). Not so bothered by the trailer thing, I don't know much about film production but trailers aren't actually shot right ? They're cut together from the film, which (in my ignorance ;) i'd assume any professional editor could do in about a week if necessary.
But then presumably you to pay for it to be distributed in cinemas, shown online and on the telly.
Yeah Simon, what I mean is, if they get the cash to allow them to release it (pretty unlikely by most accounts), producing a trailer ain't no thang.
How big is Chris Hemsworth's role in this? Maybe if Thor's a hit, they'll release Cabin...? I don't know, I'm grasping at straws at this point. I just really, really want to see this movie.
Waaaa! I feel like I have been waiting for this forever. I'm going to my corner to cry now. I'll come out when there is good news.
I'm with you RaynaForbes, but I'm afeared I may never get the chance to resurface again!!
If they gave us a little bit more to work with, we whedonites could help with the marketing. I want to see this movie.
It will probably go strait-to-video.
MGM should just stick to making tv shows.
I just hope all the woods don't get clear cut before this thing is released. It'd be a shame to have to re-title it Cabin in the Walmart Parking Lot.
What TV shows have they made well recently? SGU? Oh please.
I wonder if it will release international before US.
"The movie that reveals secrets so heinous, someone -- or some THING -- bankrupted the studio to keep them hidden!"

[ edited by The One True b!X on 2010-06-16 22:43 ]
It'll be a win, if we get to watch it before they start shooting The Hobbit, which is part of MGM's woes.
Hated the fact that they wanted to 3D-fy (even when well done, is still mostly a fad, IMHO) it and that forced it to be postponed.
Can we campaign to get this bought by another studio? Do studios do that?
I realize this isn't exactly anyone's fault, but I'm pretty pissed nonetheless. :(
I wonder if FOX will buy it, but only show the first hour.
Oh Jesus in a hand basket, I just knew it!

Hummm....so, my millions won on the Euro Lottery (no, it hasn't happened, but it's scheduled) will have to go on getting Cabin out of this mire? And here I was thinking I'd still be able to spend it on a Serenity sequel!

It's an asset, I'd hate to think of a company folding just so that I can get a film out that I want to see, but waiting to see what happens to MGM is going to be hard.
I just found two new teaser posters for Cabin. Here and here.
Hee! You're just too clever, b!x.
So if I understand you right gossi, they delayed the release to turn Cabin into a 3d production. They have now scrapped that plan and decided to release it in 2d instead as originally planned months ago but now lack the finances to release it? Who the hell is running this company?! Don't they have any sort of oversight? Was their goal to not be able to release it? Cause well done then. Ugh.
It should be noted that this, if true, will be the third delay. Its original release date was October 2009, but the new Saw movie was coming out so they delayed it until February 2010. Then they decided to go 3D and delayed it until January 2011. There was an indication several weeks ago that the 3D conversion still hadn't actually even begun. And now this.

Don't make me launch a Free Cabin website to go along with my Free Goners one.
Maybe the guy who made the Nathan Fillion/Green Lantern trailer would make a trailer for Cabin in the Woods.
There is always limited release that hopefully expands. Movies go to 3 or 7 theaters and start to move around the country.

Select city release that hopefully expands.

There are Browncoats/Whedon fans that own theaters. There are Browncoats/Whedon fans that know theater owners.

I would think there are a lot of California Browncoats/Whedon fans who would pay to see a screening of Cabin in the Woods at MGM's own studio theater.
Lord knows I would. What was the budget on Cabin, by the way? Anyone know?
The budget was around $30 million dollars for "The Cabin in the Woods."
Doubling back a bit, the key to udnerstanding that line about Parent, korkster, is in the previous paragraph: "Older-guard executives tended to be too laid back to address the Lion's increasingly dire challenges, some suggest." That leads directly into that paragraph you weren't sure about, and explains it.
Some of you seem to not be aware that this is a company that is broke broke broke (meaning they owe hundreds of millions more than they are worth under any stretch of the imagination) through many many years of mismanagement and crazy ass spending. There is no conspiracy against Cabin other than massive management failure in maintaining an ongoing business. Cabin is a complete afterthought for the people who have been very busy running this once venerable (and now a complete laughingstock) company into the ground. It is a very sad state of affairs that has nothing to do with "hollywood", "the industry", or "LA". Just bad business decisions compounded upon bad business decisions. All of which took place many years before Mary Parent greenlit Cabin. Cabin is simply collateral damage.
I actually still don't get the Parent comment b!X. So is the idea that Parent would have been so awesome as to get the Bond movie out by this November since she's so production oriented, or that she'd churn one out as a desperate solution?
Take the two paragraphs:
Older-guard executives tended to be too laid back to address the Lion's increasingly dire challenges, some suggest.

"We'd be sitting in a meeting with all these problems and $4 billion of debt, and we'd be talking about that night's Lakers tickets," a studio insider recalled. "There was always two MGMs -- the old MGM and the Mary Parent MGM. If Mary Parent had her way, the Bond film would come out in November."

So "Older-guard executives tended to be too laid back..." and "There was always two MGMs -- the old MGM and the Mary Parent MGM...". In other words, she realised they were in deep shit a while back and sought to do something about it (getting one of their most profitable franchises actually out on the market where it can do them some good constitutes doing something about it). Representatives of "the old MGM" on the other hand were slow to act and too laid back to aggressively address the problems they've been having (Parent's been there about two years, even in Hollywood I doubt that makes her part of the old guard).

That's my reading of it anyway, to me it's fairly clear but it's also not exactly the least ambiguously written paragraph in the history of words either ;).
Let's go see a Lakers game instead.
Cool, I love ... *googles* ... basketball*.

Saddest part is, they weren't even talking about the game, they were talking about tickets !?



* not actually true.
I wonder if FOX will buy it, but only show the first hour.


Lol, GimpyD. LOL.

Thanks, Saje for breaking it down and explaining it to me. Movie talk is just so foreign to me. I took theonetruebix's suggestion to get the hint, but even though I "translated" it into my understanding, I wasn't sure I translated it right. So thanks for spelling it out.

Thank you, TamaraC, for teaching us about the money-side of Hollywood. I still find it unbelievable that movie studios run like regular companies. Perhaps it's because it directly affects me.

I was thinking... maybe it's not Mary Parent that's cursed, but Joss instead. Did he get hold of a monkey's paw? Bump into the Seinfield cast?? It seems like he's definitely got their curse. Sure, they all went on to different shows, but it awkward things kept happening and they never became successful. When did "Elaine" get her Emmy for The New Adventures of Old Christine? Did it occur near the same time of one of Joss' big things going on? It seems like he's certainly pissed off the entertainment gods of TV & movies. The only reason why Dr. Horrible did so well is because it debuted on the internet (and that has no soul or god).
Firefly
Serenity
Goners
Dollhouse
Cabin in the Woods
Am I missing anything? Maybe Joss should make a shrine like Robert Downey Jr. did when he was preparing for Iron Man. Re-align the shakras or something.
No worries korkster, as I say, it could've been much more clearly written I reckon ;).

(and don't forget 'Wonder Woman' - i'd guess that didn't exactly pan out the way he wanted either. 'Course, flipside, he's also had 12 seasons of critically lauded TV on air which is more than many creators manage. In some ways the last 8 years have been more like a regression to the Hollywood mean ;)
I was thinking... maybe it's not Mary Parent that's cursed, but Joss instead. Did he get hold of a monkey's paw?

He killed Tara. Nothings gone right since.
Apart from that Emmy. And writing a best selling and critically acclaimed X-Men series. Plus coming out with the biggest indie comic book out there at the moment. And about to direct the biggest comic book movie ever. He must have put that monkey's paw in the wash or something ;).
Saje:
Saddest part is, they weren't even talking about the game, they were talking about tickets !?


Clearly, they were particularly frugal in their spending... when it was their own money at stake.
Not to mention the web series that made #15 in TIME's "Top 50 Inventions of 2008".

He musta handed off the monkey's paw to somebody else that... bunch of months.
He killed Tara. Nothings gone right since.


My co-workers just came to check in on me from my burst of laughter, Kaan.

QuoterGal, I specifically did not mention Dr. Horrible because of the venue it premiered on:

It seems like he's certainly pissed off the entertainment gods of TV & movies. The only reason why Dr. Horrible did so well is because it debuted on the internet (and that has no soul or god).

That's what I think is so hysterical, Simon. Of the visual (non-paper) media Joss has produced, the only one that has been critically acclaimed and awarded an Emmy wasn't even on TV. That's just brilliant. It suggests to me that the world no doubt knows that Joss is a genius, but he's broken some sort of mystical contract and can no longer visually entertain me on my TV.

And writing a best selling and critically acclaimed X-Men series. Plus coming out with the biggest indie comic book out there at the moment.


I don't know what the barrier is between comics and other entertainment media, but comics seem to sit beside the internet rather than cinema.

And about to direct the biggest comic book movie ever. He must have put that monkey's paw in the wash or something ;).


Sure, Simon, that's what we're told now. Just like we were told that CitW would have been released by now. And that Goners had a shot at being made. And that Dollhouse would be premiering in the Fall 2009 on Mondays. And that it was because of the fans that Serenity got made.

My assessment is no more crazy than Mary Parent being cursed. You guys are only defending the "Joss is cursed" thing because in bizarro world, it could be the truth. ;)
korkster, I was responding - quite lightly - to Kaan's notion of a curse post-Tara's death, and adding an accolade to Simon's remark. Wasn't actually responding to you.

[ edited by QuoterGal on 2010-06-17 21:48 ]
I'd have a hard time qualifying Buffy, a licensed TV show property belonging to big corporation 20th Century Fox, as "indy". Besides which I'm pretty sure the "biggest indy comic out there", with or without Buffy, would be Kick-Ass.
I go with what The Beat sees as indie. And Kick-Ass may be a creator owned title but it's still published by Marvel.
Actually it's published through Icon, financed independently by the creators, similar to how Image operates... Icon books are as indie as indie gets.
But Icon is a Marvel imprint, like Vertigo or Wildstorm are for DC. It's still published by Marvel.
It's published through, but not by, Marvel...
QuoterGal:
Wasn't actually responding to you.

Oh, well geez. Shucks then. No one wants to entertain my crazy unsubstantiated theories. :(

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