You linked to the wrong podcast, the correct one is here. Kevin brings up Eliza at around 6 minutes, but starts talking about Wonder Woman around 4 minutes.

JAYROCK | July 05, 06:19 CET

We still have a wonder woman category?

eddy | July 05, 06:30 CET

Thanks, JAYROCK! Fixed! No idea how that happened. I could have sworn I copied the correct link the first time. :)

kungfubear | July 05, 06:39 CET

Sounds like the same one to me. And I'm not giving them 6 minutes of my life if I have to listen the that kind of crap first. Bored.

madmolly | July 05, 06:52 CET

Ah, the last I checked, yeah.

Madhatter | July 05, 07:19 CET

Heh... I love Smodcast!

And, I certainly agree with their reason for casting her. LOL!

WithoutCaution | July 05, 08:31 CET

So, it turns out I DID copy from the correct post on their site, initially, it's just that particular URL is wrong. It will take you to the posting for #122, instead of #123. Going to send a message to Kevin and the webmaster to let them know.

kungfubear | July 05, 09:22 CET

I love SModcast!

Kaan | July 05, 10:09 CET

And Kevin is always joking around....

Madhatter | July 05, 10:13 CET

As much as I would love her to play WW, the purest in me wants a tall actress to carry it off! If she wasn't tall enough for JG(bad film anyway!) then how could she play a 6 foot 6 Amazonian? She's 5'4", and i know that bigger budgets can help to adjust height so can some camera trickery and possibly some fancy mirror and light work, but still...6'6"!!!

BlueSkies | July 05, 11:24 CET

Not crap, madmolly. Smith is brilliant.

patxshand | July 05, 12:17 CET

He's more brilliant than his films in fact, bizarrely enough. Opinions vary of course.

Does he still call her "Duckshoot" ? Always thought that was a cute nickname.

(will have to check this out later, not cos it's rude, just cos my work PC is a bit deficient. NSFW means No Sound at Frikkin' Work as far as i'm concerned ;)

Saje | July 05, 12:37 CET

@Saje, he doesn't call her Duckshoot during this, but he has done it recently enough (possibly in an old episode of Smodcast), and I remember him referring to her like that on Twitter at least once. I also find the name adorable.

I've heard him say he's interested in making a Clerks 3, somewhere around 2014 to finish up those characters with a nice trilogy. Wouldn't Eliza be absolutely PERFECT in that setting? Maybe as someone who can actually go toe to toe with Randal in opinionated rants! After all, his is the only closure that's left, really. :)

kungfubear | July 05, 13:19 CET

BlueSkies: Eliza could play an Amazonian the same way Tom Cruise appears normal is his movies: you hire lots of shorter actors, and make the tall ones stand in a hole.

embers | July 05, 14:14 CET

Saje, I don't think "NSFW" means that! Goodness, hope you still have a job to return to :)

[ edited by Madhatter on 2010-07-05 14:27 ]

Madhatter | July 05, 14:26 CET

No offense to Eliza, who I love. But the actress out there that most looks like a Wonder Woman is Jodi Lyn O'Keefe.

Cutlass | July 05, 14:33 CET

Cutlass that's a good choice! never thought of her. Tall-ish too.
Ha! Yeah embers i forgot about him. All those stories about Top Gun and Far And Away just came flooding back! ELIZA FOR PRESIDENT...and WW!!

BlueSkies | July 05, 14:39 CET

@patxshand - I adore Kevin Smith. I would love to attend one of his live shows. Just was not in the mood for that type of conversation last night. Men talking about masterbation doesn't do a thing for me. Must be my age.

madmolly | July 05, 14:52 CET

Eliza could play an Amazonian the same way Tom Cruise appears normal is his movies: you hire lots of shorter actors, and make the tall ones stand in a hole.

Tom Cruise is 5' 7" according to IMDB (so it must be right ;) which is shorter than average for a man and significantly shorter than the Hollywood average, granted. BUT making him appear "normal" is a matter of a few inches, making Eliza appear to be a 6' 6" Amazonian warrior is a matter of over a foot in height - it'd be like making Tom Cruise appear to be not just average height but 6' 9" tall.

She's great IMO (and agreed kungfubear, would indeed be brilliant in 'Clerks 3: Faster, Stronger, Clerker' ;) and can play tough on a human scale (as e.g. a spy or a cop) in her sleep but she's also petite and Wonder Woman just isn't. To make the character's height and physical presence believable onscreen you don't need to be starting from 6' 6" (because of the aforementioned boxes/holes, camera angles, general movie magic etc.) but you do need to be starting in the high 5s IMO.



ETA: 6' 6" sounded high (heh ;) to me so I checked and some sources put it at 5' 11" while the DC Wiki has it at 6' on the nail (FWIW, Lynda Carter is 5' 9"). So height wise I guess they could do it, still not convinced about general physique though.

[ edited by Saje on 2010-07-05 15:05 ]

Saje | July 05, 14:54 CET

I'm one inch taller than Eliza! I should play Wonder Woman!

catherine | July 05, 15:02 CET

Well, it's not just that obviously catherine. How much experience do you have flying invisible aircraft for instance ? And when you spin around, what's your natural inclination direction wise, clockwise or wrong anti-clockwise ?

Saje | July 05, 15:12 CET

Catherine it is! Congratulations! Ahem, okay let's brainstorm...how to make eliza taller and her physique in Buffy was pretty close (well my version of pretty close which figures that 5'11" is pretty close to 6'6" so take it as you will) to how WW may have been. Zoe Bell has a good look for it, just change the accent, and the face(not saying anything about how she looks, but she doesn't look like WW in the comic kinda image, but hey, MOVIE MAGIC!!) so how bout Zoe's body, Eliza's head and voice and Joss's direction?!
After clerks II i'm not ready for anymore unless it helps to cleanse my mind of that atrocity!

BlueSkies | July 05, 15:16 CET

Clockwise! Clockwise! And I only ever fly invisible aircraft! I don't want to wear a flag though. I'm all fourth-of-July-ed out.

catherine | July 05, 15:22 CET

@madmolly, I just bought my ticket mere hours ago. I'm going to the Live Smodcast in Dallas later this month. :)

@Saje, how about "Clerks 3: Rise of The Snoogans", or "Clerks 3: High Clerkage"? :)

Much as I heart Eliza, I just don't see her as Wonder Woman. If they hadn't decided to go back to High School, she would have been my first choice as Black Cat in the Spider-Man reboot. After all, she does already have a connection to the first trilogy of films. :)

@catherine, I'm always tickled by the notion of people shouting that Wonder Woman's recent costume change makes her anti-patriotic, when the character's not even American.

[ edited by kungfubear on 2010-07-05 15:31 ]

kungfubear | July 05, 15:26 CET

She does? How?

catherine | July 05, 15:29 CET

@catherine, Eliza, who is friends with Tobey Maguire, played the female victim in one of his screen tests. It's either on the first film's DVD, or you can find it on YouTube. It's done in this gritty, 70s kung-fu movie style. Greatness!

kungfubear | July 05, 15:34 CET

Oh, cool - thanks!

catherine | July 05, 15:39 CET

I remember her saying she helped him out during the audition process. Not sure if that extra made it onto the R2 DVD though, may have to peruse YouTube (it's easier than rummaging around in boxes for the disc anyway). She could maybe still squeeze into Spider-man 4 BTW, the guy they've cast is 26 himself (which strikes me a bit odd considering they're going back to high school - I mean, by the time any sequels are being filmed he'll be pushing 30 but presumably playing about 18-20 ?).

Have to say, catherine seems to tick a lot of the boxes (these days a lot of potential candidates are wussing out and insisting on actually being able to see their aircraft when they fly them). I say we, in our position as Head Presidential Kings of All Hollywood Ever, award her the part.

@Saje, how about "Clerks 3: Rise of The Snoogans", or "Clerks 3: High Clerkage"? :)

Heh. Or split the diff and go for "Clerks 3: Snoogans to the Max" ? ;)

Saje | July 05, 15:58 CET

Well, Eliza might work if they hire a lot of actors around my height (148 cm).

ELIZA FOR PRESIDENT

i totally support that idea ;)

The little asian | July 05, 16:34 CET

Have to say, catherine seems to tick a lot of the boxes (these days a lot of potential candidates are wussing out and insisting on actually being able to see their aircraft when they fly them). I say we, in our position as Head Presidential Kings of All Hollywood Ever, award her the part.

Woo hoo! Off to call everyone I know and tell them I'm the new Wonder Woman!! Who are my nemeses?

catherine | July 05, 18:34 CET

Primarily those who still refuse to accept our Head Presidential Kings of All Hollywoodness and so may therefore dare to question your legitimacy as the One True Wonder Woman™. Also Nazis.

(and a Cheetah woman and a ... like an evil Amazon type person ? And ... err, can you tell I don't actually read - or indeed know much about - Wonder Woman ?)

Saje | July 05, 18:52 CET

Wonder Woman's enemies are good taste and butt-chafing.

Hellmouthguy | July 05, 18:58 CET

When I actually look at the original story of Wonder Woman, I really don't wanna see that origin again. DC keeps trying to reboot Wonder Woman or give her a face lift or whatever. I used to find the character interesting, but have any of you watched the Lynda Carter series recently? When I was a kid, I thought that was an awesome show. Now I look at it and I realize that my young body was so full of hormones & gunk it didn't know good storytelling from the back of a cereal box. Lynda Carter bouncing in that outfit is what made that show interesting. The stories were nonexistent and the dialogue is painful to my ears.

Who cares about the story of princess Diana, from an island paradise hidden from the eyes of man falling in love with the first guy she sees that had to crash land on her island for her to see him and then she of all the other amazon ladies gets to travel to the mainland to see her man again and then they don't get it on for like decades cuz she has to also fight crime and stop dictators and occasionally get trapped by said bad guys and tied up in bondage wearing skimpy outfits and making pouty faces at the camera...

Eliza Dushku would make a great Wonder Woman.

ZachsMind | July 05, 20:08 CET

Hmm. I can see I have a tough road ahead of me, as the new Wonder Woman.



*adds Saje to list of enemies.*



*adds ZachsMind too. Doesn't he realize I am an inch taller than her? I will make him realize it.*

catherine | July 05, 20:15 CET

For those of you discussing height, have any of you seen Julie & Julia?

In real life, Meryl Streep is shorter/around the same height as Eliza, yet she played Julia Child who was 6'1" or 6'2"!

Many tricks to get around a height issue.

edcsLover9 | July 05, 20:34 CET

Also, not kidding here--she fought a giant egg guy named Egg-Fu.

Egg-Fu.

Also, he's Communist.

I am not kidding about any of this. WW is one of the most well-known superhero characters in the world yet she is at the same time an utterly worthless fictional creation. Make fun of superheroes all you want but some of them work quite well as adventure stories on the big screen: Superman, Batman, Spidey, Iron Man, they all have something of value to contribute because there is actually something to those characters, an underlying metaphor, a personality, a struggle, a quest, a motive, something. Not so Wonder Woman, other than name recognition she has literally zero going for her. A movie would require a top to bottom revamp and the fabrication of not only a meaningful origin story but also a motive for doing what she does and a personality, none of which she has ever had. You guys think you want Joss to get the WW movie gig. Not getting it was the luckiest break he's had in ten years.

Hellmouthguy | July 05, 20:58 CET

Actually, Hellmouthguy, having heard a breakdown of the story of Joss' (now completely dead idea), that's exactly what he was doing. It redefined Wonder Woman into something amazing.

gossi | July 05, 21:10 CET

*puts Hellmouthguy at the top of enemy list!!!*



We only think we want it? ;). Actually I did wonder (ha ha! hm) if a Wonder Woman movie could possibly be worth watching and was surprised to hear Joss interested in such a thing. But then, he sounded excited, so I figured, he must have a cool idea. Which presumably would be a top to bottom revamp and fabrication of not only a meaningful origin story but also a motive for doing what she does and a personality etc etc. Who knows what he was going to do with it. (Well, JW presumably. But nobody here. Except gossi ;)).

catherine | July 05, 21:13 CET

Plus, Egg-Fu!! That is the funniest thing ever!

catherine | July 05, 21:15 CET

Hey, eggs can be deadly (I still remember the salmonella scare). Plus the name totally works as an archenemy cos after you've dispatched him (possibly with a little butter and/or Olive oil) you can say "His Egg-fu was not strong" *close up, freeze-frame and ... scene*. It's a gift*.

(I think you've actually accrued scarier enemies on this thread than Wonder Woman appears to have had previously)



* and a curse.

Saje | July 05, 22:17 CET

Hellmouthguy said:
"A movie would require a top to bottom revamp and the fabrication of not only a meaningful origin story but also a motive for doing what she does and a personality, none of which she has ever had."

Dunno what the comics (in their various continuities/revamps) have had going for them, but the 2008 animated film gave her a decent enough motivation. On the surface, it was about recapturing Ares and escorting Steve back to the mainland, but the film was also about coming out of isolation and re-engaging with the rest of the world (it didn't build on that theme hugely, but it was there and very apparent at least in terms of setting during the climax). Not just Diana herself, but the entire Amazon nation, doing the whole Adam & Eve-ish, venture out of/forced out of paradise to discover the harsh reality of the outside world (or challenge their preconceptions of men).

Maybe in a film adaptation with a longer running time, if they were to include Themyscira/the Amazon's island as integral to the story, it could have modern relevance by being partly about relations between nations, with WW growing into a go-between or at least an ambassador on behalf of her homeland. Amongst all the inevitable action. Not sure what the threat would be. Ares made sense in the cartoon(s) and I'm kinda partial to the Greek Mythology-infused origin story (she doesn't have to be made out of clay/sand and receive life from Hera or whatever, she can be born). Wouldn't wanna lost the fantasy/mythological aspect. Also wouldn't mind seeing something Greek-Myth-flavored on the big screen that doesn't suck like Clash of the Titans.

Kerri Russel did a quality job voice-acting Diana (Nathan Fillion was fun as Steve and I can't remember many of the other actors--oh yeah, Oliver Platt was a suitable, bloated Hades), but I'm not sure she moved Diana into the realm of "having a personality" beyond typical strong-willed princess cartoondom. Pretty much the only common factor across all incarnations seems to be that Diana will always defy her mother's initial wishes (and her mother will come around to believing Diana made the right choice). I can't even remember why she left the island in the Justice League/Unlimited cartoon and her personality in that series was basically "regal. responsible. dependable."

[ edited by Kris on 2010-07-06 00:17 ]

Kris | July 06, 00:08 CET