"I'm not on the ship. I'm in the ship. I am the ship."
July 19
2010
Buffy Season 8 Motion Comic trailer.
Available free on iTunes (or will be once the sound problems are fixed). Episode one should be out sometime today.
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BlueSkies | July 19, 03:37 CET
Ozzel | July 19, 03:47 CET
Will this be available to everyone today or just US residents?
vampmogs | July 19, 03:50 CET
Xander | July 19, 04:04 CET
Clearly, they made no attempt to come close to SMG's voice (as they did with a previous animated attempt).
I don't know...
chazman | July 19, 04:04 CET
sueworld2003 | July 19, 04:29 CET
vr5cran | July 19, 04:32 CET
To be honest every comic should be a motion comic because it's less effort for me.
Jackal | July 19, 04:34 CET
I wonder what Joss thinks about this motion comic business?
Anxiously awaiting the first episode...
Jossfan_21 | July 19, 04:36 CET
Mr.Pointy | July 19, 04:44 CET
sueworld2003 | July 19, 04:51 CET
Prosperina | July 19, 05:03 CET
Does anyone know if you can create an American Itunes account without them realising you aren't from the US? I was able to watch the trailer because I wasn't signed in to my Aus account and was thinking I might be able to trick it so I can buy them too...
vampmogs | July 19, 05:06 CET
Anyway, it was an interesting trailer. The voices were kinda strange, though. I think I'll stick with paper and avoid the DRM. I can let my friends borrow my comic books, encouraging them to buy their own copies. Not so much with electronic comics with DRM.
quantumac | July 19, 05:15 CET
* Meaning it's technically possible. Don't ask me if it's legal.
[ edited by beergood on 2010-07-19 14:20 ]
| July 19, 05:19 CET
vampmogs | July 19, 05:22 CET
You do have to be a bit careful though, some of the eBay voucher sellers are rip-off merchants and it's, if not illegal, at least against Apple's T&Cs (and this is from last year so it could be Apple have taken steps to close that avenue). Lot of hoops to jump through though, up to the individual if they think it's worth it (to me, it's not for the motion comic).
Saje | July 19, 05:30 CET
So maybe? you can sign up for the US store using a friends/relatives USA (or CA) address and have them send you iTunes gift cards. will it work?
demon magnet | July 19, 05:35 CET
Here's hoping we can catch a glimpse on Youtube or similar...
The Do That Girl | July 19, 05:44 CET
Sure, that's an easier version of getting them off eBay. But they don't need to send you the gift card, just the voucher number is enough. The expat in Canada (?) may have been using his iTunes UK account with a UK credit card hence no problem (AFAIK there's no actual geo-locking in that they don't check IPs. Certainly didn't in my "friend"'s case cos he lives in the UK. Y'know, like me ;). Either that or you can arrange it separately (e.g. over the phone). Or maybe iTunes UK is just less strict ?
If you know someone in the US who's willing to help you out then it becomes a fairly trivial problem (they buy the voucher using their - US - credit card on an account you both have the details for then send you the voucher number, you then PayPal - or whatever - the money to them. Job done).
Saje | July 19, 05:50 CET
Riker | July 19, 06:03 CET
Back on topic, WHAT-THE-HECK is with Buffy's voice? It's clearly a man, I hope that isn't the actual voice of the person that plays her in the real thing, or it may drive me to stop watching.
Winchester | July 19, 06:13 CET
Did they release the cast list for this ? Not a single original actor was tempted back to voice their character ? I can understand why, but I wonder if original actor involvement might've translated into big enough sales to justify their fees. Did they at least get Giselle Loren to play Buffy ? She sounded great in the Buffy: The Animated Series pitch reel.
From what little I've now seen, it looks like they did a good-to-great job with the inherent awkwardness of animating something which wasn't intended/designed to be. Maybe Georges' dynamic, less-intended-to-look-realistic art lends itself better than John Cassaday's, 'cause this looks a heck of a lot less stiff and strange than what was in the very offputting Astonishing X-Men motion comic trailer.
Way to spoil Buffy sleeping with Satsu and the hilarity/hotness (or both at the same time, mileage varies) of the Angel/Buffy/Spike dream bit, people at 20th Fox or iTunes or whoever designed this (it's been repeated by Scott Allie that Dark Horse wasn't involved in these). Although I suppose anyone who would bother to pause (if you even can) or screencap and pour over it looking for details is the kind of person who's already spoiled themselves.
[ edited by Kris on 2010-07-19 15:30 ]
Kris | July 19, 06:29 CET
SoddingNancyTribe | July 19, 06:59 CET
kumarhk | July 19, 07:10 CET
IrrationaliTV | July 19, 07:12 CET
gossi | July 19, 07:15 CET
vampmogs | July 19, 07:23 CET
This motion comic comes close to making that dream manifest...but then Buffy is being voiced by what sounds like the typical comedy movie transexual and I am having flashbacks to the Watchmen motion comic (something I found painfully unwatchable, first and foremost due to the terrible voice acting).
Please, someone tell me that this won't be Buffy's voice for the motion comic and if it is, what can we do to change it?...I know comic-con is this week....maybe someone can ask Scott Allie or whoever is in charge of this beast to get this thing right and give the fans the satisfaction they hunger for.
Dolphin Tamer | July 19, 07:25 CET
LaputanMachine | July 19, 07:31 CET
Winchester | July 19, 07:35 CET
Knuckleball | July 19, 07:36 CET
Also, not to rag on Fox again for publicity but come on. If they struggle with sales for this I can tell you why - the launch sucks.
gossi | July 19, 07:37 CET
Ah, that explains it. If you don't live in the US are you able to download this because it's free? Or not even then?
vampmogs | July 19, 07:54 CET
Riker | July 19, 07:58 CET
I live in the UK but I can't download it. I can see the preview of the trailer though which I thought was quite impressive. Still want to hear the voices though.
Simon | July 19, 08:01 CET
vampmogs | July 19, 08:02 CET
Riker | July 19, 08:06 CET
gossi | July 19, 08:22 CET
That being said, the voice actress for Buffy is AWFUL. And yes, the theme song sounds slow. And in general this sounds horrible.
Yeesh. I wouldn't mind watching the story this way, and some of the sound effects are cool like when Giles pulls out a dagger in NFFY, but the voice acting sounds unnatural on top of not sounding anything like the characters. There's not enough zip or irony to how the lines are delivered--the rhythm is all off.
Emmie | July 19, 08:27 CET
danielc2384 | July 19, 08:29 CET
I thought so too but apparently we only get to see 30 seconds of the trailer and are missing out on the whole thing :(
vampmogs | July 19, 08:31 CET
I've come up with a workaround. Play your Buffy DVDs on slow and then you won't notice the difference.
Simon | July 19, 08:35 CET
The pitch with the voice is what's really bad, though. Hopefully they'll fix it. And yeah, it's supposed to be Buffy that's saying "This is war" and not Giles. If ya think it sounds like Giles... that's because Buffy sounds really bad in this. I cringed when she started talking and I'm pretty sure my face looked horrified.
ETA: I don't think it's that the sound is slow. It's the pitch that's wrong. When I was watching the trailer, the voiceover matched the action. And all the sound effects matched the action. The timing is spot-on. It's the most awful pitch that's making it sound like crap. And yeah, Buffy sounds like a man trying to talk like a woman.
[ edited by Emmie on 2010-07-19 17:39 ]
Emmie | July 19, 08:36 CET
Riker | July 19, 08:44 CET
I still don't even get why they didn't just show you the whole trailer in the preview. It's a free trailer for crying out loud, why do they even care? *pouts*
vampmogs | July 19, 08:45 CET
gossi | July 19, 08:47 CET
Riker | July 19, 08:53 CET
gossi | July 19, 08:54 CET
Unfortunately, these things all come down to distribution rights and these days contracts haven't changed enough since the pre-web days.
I wonder if motion comics will die down or become more popular as e-readers and tablet computers become more popular. Because since the iPad came out, the big focus seems to be on just translating comics for the iPad without any additional motion or sounds.
Matt_Fabb | July 19, 09:20 CET
So now that I've seen the whole trailer...okay, yes, motion comics are not as good as actual comics. At least from the ones I've seen so far (an entire Hellboy story--actually that one was pretty cool, the Wolves Of Saint Augustine one, which really only used sound effects/animals noises, lighting, and very slight movement, no voice acting--the trailer for Buffy and Astonishing X-Men). Either a comic or full production animation, please. But it doesn't hurt anything that this interpretation/adaptation of Season 8 exists. It's a potentially fun, bonus distraction. At the very least, I'm gonna check it out for three reasons: the visuals, to compare & contrast with my original reading experience, and to see how the various voice actors do (once the sound issues have been worked out).
The motion comics, for those open to trying them, could allow for renewed Season 8 discussions while we're waiting for the final arc in print form. Will also be interesting to see how pacing works out when it's set for you (I remember a lotta folks saying they get through the comic in 5 to 10 minutes).
Heh, the slowed-down/bad-pitch-effected voices are hilariously off, not horrifying. It's too bad that this is the first impression the internet gets of Season 8 in this form (or for a lot of people, at all).
Kris | July 19, 09:31 CET
Simon | July 19, 09:41 CET
I watched several "issues" of the motion comic a few weeks ago and think you all are going to like it a lot.
IrrationaliTV | July 19, 09:43 CET
@theonetruebix | July 19, 09:50 CET
Matt, so far the focus is on releasing the majority of comics as-is because that's way more cost-effective than paying folks to animate and voice them. Before the internet, Marvel/DC and any other company didn't stand to make more money off the old individual issues that were already out there (unless they reprinted them or collected them into trades, which still could cost them money), only comic shops and collectors/convention vendors did. The pay-for-downloadable-comics model costs them way less than reprinting a physical copy. It's a little like how Nintendo and Sony and all are re-releasing old games on their current generation video game consoles. Before, I would've searched for old copies of these games used if I wanted to play them, just like old comics (or i would've downloaded, if I couldn't find a physical copy--there was no harm being done because if you can't find the merchandise to buy in the first place, no one's losing out and piracy arguably didn't hurt anyone). Now they've given buyers more options (search for the original physical copy to buy, or pay for download), tried to tempt some of the would-be piraters to pay (and made it more conflicting for those of us who initially would've downloaded guilt-free when given no other options/product unavailable).
Here's a big question. I know it's technically stealing, but if one already bought the print copy of the comic, had no intention of ever buying the motion comic but wanted to check it out anyway and does so by pirating...I dunno, it's a little messed up. If I pay for an episode or a season pass of this and it absolutely sucks to the point of being unwatchable(which so far isn't my impression--it's looking better than I thought it would), I'm guessing iTunes isn't gonna give me a refund if I complain, are they ? But if I hate a movie and I've bought the DVD, I can usually, with most stores (and within a certain time limit--usually 7 to 14 days, unfortunately), take it back for store credit/exchange toward another purchase (yep, just like when they're defective. Or you can just say it was defective, they don't have to know that suckage--subjective as it is--also equates with defective in your head). And then getting further away from the subject, if I get home with my groceries and the yogurt has mold growing on it even though it's still weeks away from its expiry date, I can take it back no questions asked, along with a multitude of other non-entertainment-based products (vehicles, gadgets that don't work, etc). This sorta ties into the discussion we were having about download vs. disc form (and the current pitfalls) in the Dollhouse Season 2 DVD/blu thread--when it's just a digital file, and you've bought it, they have you. They have your cash and there's no exchanging. Maybe if you complained heavily enough you'd get some sorta credit (has anyone ever tried, when it was simply a matter of not liking what you bought from iTunes/NetFlix/other download service?), but it sounds like more hassle than when dealing with store clerks/managers face to face.
Entertainment's such a gamble. You potentially get more out of it than playing the lottery (unless you're one of the lucky few to win big, that is, or just really enjoy the thrill of losing money/playing games of chance for cash), but it's still a cash and time risk (except when borrowing from friends/family/library, then it's just a risk of your time, which, too bad).
[ edited by Kris on 2010-07-19 19:05 ]
Kris | July 19, 10:02 CET
Since this post doesn't have enough questions, feel free to request more.
sumogrip | July 19, 10:22 CET
Jobo, I think weekly is the plan for iTunes and I think the DVD will be out toward the very end of the year. Subject to change of course. Take my 3rd hand knowledge with a grain of salt.
IrrationaliTV | July 19, 10:35 CET
I literally cringed, Kris. Don't know how else to describe it. How about horribly bad? My involuntary reaction was horror at the sound (eyes wide, cringe, jerk back from laptop), pleasure at the visuals. Like you say, it's a nice bonus diversion (once the sound is fixed).
Maybe I'd find it hilariously bad if my initial thought wasn't that it was a mistake, but that it was just a poorly done motion comics? The danger of low expectations is that when something is bad, you initially think it's supposed to be that way and not that it's a mistake.
Hey, it could be a good thing the release is only in the US and Canada--less people have to hear the audio flub.
Emmie | July 19, 10:52 CET
Riker | July 19, 11:04 CET
patxshand | July 19, 11:19 CET
IrrationaliTV | July 19, 11:22 CET
Riker | July 19, 11:25 CET
| July 19, 11:27 CET
I really don't know much about the iTunes distribution, beergood. Sorry.
IrrationaliTV | July 19, 11:36 CET
Probably because if they'd known there was a mistake, it wouldn't have been released, yeah?
@theonetruebix | July 19, 11:39 CET
patxshand | July 19, 11:45 CET
scarecroe | July 19, 11:59 CET
Kelly Albanese, Natalie Lander, Daniel Taylor
(revealed in Entertainment Weekly)
Riker | July 19, 12:07 CET
Riker | July 19, 12:08 CET
racheltng | July 19, 12:09 CET
patxshand | July 19, 12:10 CET
Winchester | July 19, 12:13 CET
eddy | July 19, 12:16 CET
BlueSkies | July 19, 12:18 CET
popgoestheshelby | July 19, 12:19 CET
@theonetruebix | July 19, 12:39 CET
Connor Angel Chase | July 19, 13:13 CET
IrrationaliTV | July 19, 13:19 CET
Do we assume that the cast is only three people doing all the voices alternately, or that those three are the main ones but others fill in with minor parts?
stormwreath | July 19, 13:40 CET
eddy | July 19, 13:48 CET
BethS | July 19, 13:53 CET
MichaelH | July 19, 14:01 CET
Saje | July 19, 14:09 CET
One of Many | July 19, 14:25 CET
Okay i'm throwing caution to the wind, should be up in 20 mins. I'll add the link when it's done!
[ edited by BlueSkies on 2010-07-19 23:35 ]
BlueSkies | July 19, 14:33 CET
Out of Objects | July 19, 14:38 CET
The new corrected version is being loaded to iTunes now. I don't know when it will be ready, but it should be soon.
[ edited by TamaraC on 2010-07-20 00:24 ]
IrrationaliTV | July 19, 15:03 CET
BlueSkies | July 19, 15:08 CET
cheryl | July 19, 15:14 CET
Someone obsessive enough would do it if they could.
[ edited by Kris on 2010-07-20 00:43 ]
Kris | July 19, 15:43 CET
demon magnet | July 19, 16:08 CET
[ edited by eddy on 2010-07-20 02:02 ]
eddy | July 19, 16:33 CET
twinkiefoo | July 19, 17:51 CET
@theonetruebix | July 19, 17:54 CET
Riker | July 19, 18:53 CET
Prosperina | July 19, 20:19 CET
vampmogs | July 19, 20:43 CET
GreatMuppetyOdin | July 19, 21:15 CET
Prosperina | July 19, 21:20 CET
gossi | July 19, 22:17 CET
Saje | July 20, 00:42 CET
RaynaForbes | July 20, 00:43 CET
Saje ..I think problem is more that the USA is Authoritarian Capitalist imperialistic Cabal :)
demon magnet | July 20, 05:26 CET
Prosperina | July 20, 05:31 CET
Oh sure, toe the Party line why don't you ;).
Saje | July 20, 12:12 CET