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July 25 2010

'This is the exact crew I wanted for The Avengers' says Joss. He tells MTV what the big reveal at yesterday's Comic-Con was like. And io9 has an inteview where Joss talks about the relationship between Iron Man and Captain America.

And quite a cast it is too. I'd be excited about working with those guys and gal as well ;).

That io9 interview was fun. I really like how Joss describes The Avengers and how he views Iron Man and Cap's relationship. (Obviously because both are quite in line with how I view 'em, and I'm always right *cough* ;)).

I'm becoming more and more excited with every interview. These'll be the longest two years ever :).
It makes me so happy to hear Joss so excited about this project, I know it will be full of challenges and hard work, but this feeling of optimism ahead of time is infectious! I think it is an awesome cast, and I think it can be an incredibly great film!
What a terrific opportunity for Joss. Really looking forward to this movie; hope it opens the door to a lot more good stuff for him.
I like the idea that Captain America and Iron Man are going to be at each other's throat, but at the same time, I worry. I've seen Chris Evans in exactly one semi-serious role, and it was okay but not spectacular. As Captain America, he's going to need to not only be able to handle drama, he's also going to be up against Robert Downey Jr., who I have yet to see bomb in any role. As much as I love the guy, I really hope that Evans will be able to hold his own, otherwise the film's really going to be imbalanced.

On the other hand, Joss has more than proven that he can bring the best out of his actors, so maybe I shouldn't be too worried. ;)
They are two very different definitions of a person. One is a self-made man, a modern man, a rockstar. The other is a World War 2 grunt, just trying to do his part. They couldn't have more different views of the world.

Perfectly put! Captain America and Iron Man are not just two very different people, they're from very different Americas--different eras with different ideas of what it means to be a patriotic American. Anticipate the good friction.
This is so freaking awesome! When do we start shooting??!!!
"Anticipate the good friction" I agree with your meaning Pointy, but your phrasing meant that my mind went to the direction of Yaoi... ;-)
Totally unfounded casting prediction: There's going to be one more addition to the primary cast - Either a solitary female character or possibly a male/female combo of some sort - rounding it out to nine.

[ edited by brinderwalt on 2010-07-26 02:07 ]
Looks like Chris Evans is excited to work with Joss and we now have confirmation that Joss rewrote the Capt America script.
Awesome cast but there definitely needs to be another female character in there somewhere.
liljemsey: My thoughts almost exactly.

[ edited by brinderwalt on 2010-07-26 03:07 ]
If anyone wants to know if Chris Evans can act (or more accurately, handle drama well), I highly recommend the Danny Boyle sci-fi/horror flick "Sunshine."

I, for one, am thrilled. And I'm really geeked for Jeremy Renner. He can do art house, and he can do blockbuster, and I think he's a perfect fit.

Honestly, the last time a cast like this was assembled was, what, Oceans 11?

I can't wait.
You know, now all the reports on Whedonesque of anything or anyone Whedon-related are going to grow exponentially because of the "Avengers" cast.
Really getting excited about this movie! When ever Joss keeps things so low-key, you know he has something brewing in mind. Ought to be quite a tale from the master storyteller!
You know, now all the reports on Whedonesque of anything or anyone Whedon-related are going to grow exponentially because of the "Avengers" cast.


That occurred to me as well - It's kind of scary, actually.

Mods, best of luck to you! ;)

[ edited by brinderwalt on 2010-07-26 05:24 ]
This is really going to be something. Joss' words (or at the very least, his voice) and direction, coming from this cast, and on this scale. Nirvana.
Well at a certain point, they may have to redefine what constitutes a Joss connection. Fillion, Acker, and Gellar are fun to follow and they're projects aren't every day rumors so it's not overkill.

If you start drawing Joss connections with Ruffalo, Downey, Jackson,and Johansson it's going to start feeling more like Variety and less like Whedonesque IMO.

Not that it won't be fun at first, but long term......
I know how you feel, azzers. I feel like a hipster, watching his beloved punk band go mainstream and worrying about the other people who are all of a sudden going to be fans. But not the proper sort of fans, obviously; not real fans.
I think for the sake of my sanity and the front page, coverage of Downey, Evans etc will be restricted to The Avengers for the time being. So no birthday threads or SJ signs for new movie etc.
Yeah, it may have to be redefined so that it's strictly a cast member that Joss can fairly be said to have "discovered". It'd just be weird to think of Robert Downey Jr. as "a Whedonverse actor" IMO, even though it'll be technically true.

Actually, reading that back, that's maybe a better way to do it (i.e. without excluding people like NPH who was clearly well established before Dr Horrible) - the Marvel universe isn't a Whedonverse since he didn't create the universe itself or any of the main characters. Split it along those lines maybe ?

If anyone wants to know if Chris Evans can act (or more accurately, handle drama well), I highly recommend the Danny Boyle sci-fi/horror flick "Sunshine."

Yep, this. The other thing i'll say is that even when he's playing "shallow" characters ('Fantastic Four', 'The Losers' etc.) he still fully inhabits them, y'know ? They're reckless and happy-go-lucky and so on BUT they're convincingly so. Nope, Chris Evans isn't a worry to me as Capt. America.
If they're in they're in. Like it or not once they've actually joined the cult become whedonverse cast members (as in after filming is complete) they should get the same coverage as anyone else.

I know how you feel, azzers. I feel like a hipster, watching his beloved punk band go mainstream and worrying about the other people who are all of a sudden going to be fans. But not the proper sort of fans, obviously; not real fans.

Careful there - it's a slippery slope... :)
I do hope you're not being serious, Mercenary. 'It's popular now, it sucks' is one of the most annoying things a person can say.
I'm starting to get excited. I really, really hope this doesn't go the way of Wonder Woman.... (But that didn't get a cast!)

Ultimately these people don't belong together and the whole movie is about finding yourself from community. And finding that you not only belong together but you need each other, very much. Obviously this will be expressed through punching but it will be the heart of the film.


If this is representative of the snappy dialogue we get, I am happy.
Doesn't that quote describe pretty much every Joss project except Dr. Horrible?
If Joss gets as big or bigger than J.J. because of this, Simon you're gonna have a hell of a time. But it's what we want for Mr. Whedon right? main stream success on his terms? I am stoked. I know he will always be the same guy. He deserves the recognition. I will pay my ten bucks to see it!
There's a reason Whedonesque is more fun than Abramsology. JJ has friends, but he's never as open as Joss is. We can assume he gets along well with Damon Lindelof and Keri Russel, but neither of them (okay, maybe Damon) would dress up in a browncoat and moustache.

We're just going to have to wait and see.
To me, the dressing up in a browncoat and moustache came across as more about Nathan than it was about Joss. Unless, of course, Joss asked him to do it so as to put to rest those Ant Man rumours.
If anyone wants to know if Chris Evans can act (or more accurately, handle drama well), I highly recommend the Danny Boyle sci-fi/horror flick "Sunshine."


I'm totally wearing a dunce cap today. I completely forgot about that role. Fears officially relieved (though I do still worry about RDJ stealing the show). ;)
All part of his plan to bring our trilogy to the big screen. Trilogy, trilogy, I want my trilogy.
Like it or not once they've actually joined the cult become whedonverse cast members (as in after filming is complete) they should get the same coverage as anyone else.

Problem with that is, the W'esque will basically become a mainstream film site (of which there are thousands already) since a lot of those cast members are routinely involved in non-Whedon, non-genre related projects and being fairly huge stars in some cases (and likely soon to be in others) their news is going to overwhelm that of existing Whedonverse actors and even Joss hizownself just by volume. For me that'd be more noise than signal.

Still, luckily I can leave it up to the mods to sort that stuff out (and i'll take care of the moaning afterwards - play to your strengths I reckon ;-).
Agreed Saje, Simon et al, we wouldn't want a front page full of Robert Downey Jr. and ScarJo stories pushing out a Nick Brendan or Jewel Staite article.
To me, the dressing up in a browncoat and moustache came across as more about Nathan than it was about Joss. Unless, of course, Joss asked him to do it so as to put to rest those Ant Man rumours.


I'm sure it was all Nathan's idea.

It says loads, though, about the kind of positive bonds joss is able to make with his talent - which is definitely not something you see every day.
I have complete faith that Our Mods won't let Whedonesque turn into Variety. Not that I would mind if we started following Jeremy Renner. :)
Still, luckily I can leave it up to the mods to sort that stuff out (and i'll take care of the moaning afterwards - play to your strengths I reckon


Indeed. On both counts. There could be a positively Cyberman-esque amount of deletion in our future. :-)
'It's popular now, it sucks' is one of the most annoying things a person can say.

Dunno' if anyone's still monitoring this thread, but I wasn't meaning that the quality of the mainstream work would be impaired at all; rather, that the people who needed until Avengers to discover Joss were a lesser sort of people than we.

Of course, my comment was made with tongue firmly implanted in cheek.

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