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September 26 2010

Serenity 2 painful to think about, says Joss. It's another excerpt from the upcoming SFX Whedon special.

Does anyone else want to hug the man?
I'm starting to feel like I best stop reading these links. I actually want to get the magazine.
I really, really wish Joss would take 'Firefly' to audio.

In a stroke, you'd solve so many of the issues. No budgets for sets and planets and space battles? Describe 'em and use creative sound design. Actors aging and scheduled out to 2014? Don't even need to record in the same room. No time to get new stories written? Well, there doesn't need to be a time limit with no standing sets.

'Doctor Who' found its niche on audio before the show was revived. I'm sure 'Firefly' would have similar success even given the additional costs of the larger cast.
BananaSandwichMan,I like your idea. Indeed, I like it much better than comics. The only drawback is that so much of what was fun about Firefly/Serenity were the expressions on the actors' faces--particularly Nathan's. But it would be better than nothing at all.
Eh. I prefer comics to audio dramas. They would have to change teh narrative structure a lot to successfully pull off audio. I mean, so much of what Firefly was was visual. What's the point of a space opera if you can't see the spaceship, the space battles, and most of all, the expressions on actors' faces. It would interrupt the narrative too much to have Nathan speak a line only to be interrupted by an omniscient narrator saying, "and Mal's buried his head deep into his hands as he began to laugh uncontrollably."

I just wish they would produce more comics. This three-issues a year thing is a waste of the license. The Firefly 'verse is PERFECT for comics, but they don't put them out enough. I'd almost rather see another company take the license and put out non-canon stories. I mean... at least we'd have stories.
I'm old enough to remember that after the first Star Trek series was cancelled, there were a bunch of paperback books that came out with continuing stories. They were written by some of the better science fiction writers of the time and they were wonderful fun.

Why can't this be done for Firefly? Is it a licensing thing? I loved the short stories in Still Flying and just wonder why the writers of Firefly, or anybody else that Joss endorses, can't write more "episodes" in book form? I've never been able to get into comic books or graphic novels. I like books better, with lots of dialog and written descriptions that let my imagination visualize the story.

*******

And yes, I want to give Joss a hug.

[ edited by Amrita on 2010-09-26 16:01 ]
Why can't this be done for Firefly? Is it a licensing thing? I loved the short stories in Still Flying and just wonder why the writers of Firefly, or anybody else that Joss endorses, can't write more "episodes" in book form? I've never been able to get into comic books or graphic novels. I like books better, with lots of dialog and written descriptions that let my imagination visualize the story.


This. I'd actually love novels more than comics... a lot more detail to the story can be given in 300-400 pages, as opposed to three 40 page issues.
Sign me up for some(any amount) of huggage.

And, OMG, trying to figure out how I would transition between the two, in a perfect world, took some thinking.

[ edited by hence on 2010-09-26 17:18 ]
Why can't this be done for Firefly? Is it a licensing thing?

It was Joss himself who blocked any Firefly novels. I think he doesn't want anything done with the verse he can't control, or at least "oversee".

Steven Brust wrote a Firefly novel (which I haven't read cause I don't like reading on a computer) that never got to the print stage. Don't know if any other 'professional' writers did anything else like that.

But I would LOVE novel's set in the verse. Out of all the Joss projects over the years, Firefly seems to me the one that is the most suited for the prose medium. Science Fiction/Western/Action/Drama are all manageable in the form of a novel. There are current sci-fi novels out there that are already very much like Firefly. Apparently. Have yet to read them, just going by reviews.

Something like Buffy, which relies to a great extent on the melodrama (i.e. talking heads)--and a bit of horror/kung-fu splashed in--is a lot harder to build into a gripping narrative with just words. The old Buffy YA novels were fun, but I don't rate them as particularly good. Just recently, I went back and tried reading some that I recalled were my favourites. Bad idea.

Not that it can't be done! I just feel that Firefly's story lends itself more to the novel than Buffy's does, is all I'm saying. :)

And I'd love ANY new novels set in ANY part of the Jossverse. :)

[ edited by Kaan on 2010-09-26 17:25 ]
I think Dollhouse could translate into prose pretty well, too.
Forgot about Dollhouse... Yep, thinking about it, I'd probably rate it higher on the "Prose-ability Scale" than Firefly. It's one of those thing where I'm wondering how they are going to make comics out of it, when it's so much about how a person is different - and yet they look exactly the same. How does someone draw that?
Kaan said:

It was Joss himself who blocked any Firefly novels. I think he doesn't want anything done with the verse he can't control, or at least "oversee".


I totally understand that. In my perfect world it would be a collaborative effort of Joss and the writers. Joss would come up with the story outlines (he already has them in his head) and the writers who wrote for the series (or any other writers he approved) would do the actual writing.

Or, a writer could submit a story outline to Joss for approval, then write the book if Joss gave his OK.
Thinking about it, a mixture would be nice. They do a sort of YA fiction in Japan which are called 'light novels' - and they often feature images as well as the written stuff. There isn't a real reason behind me wanting this, because I love normal novels as well but the mixture of words and pictures seems rather appealing. Not to mention the couple I've read seem to have an emphasis on dialogue and monologues, which I like. ;p

That being said, I'm way more than content with the little we do get. It's nice having Joss 'oversee' stuff and it makes my "main" collection that much easier to keep small(ish).
Oh YEAH. I'd love to buy books. (Notice the multiple there. Heh.) I really like comics, but I think I'd prefer to partake of my Firefly in novel form. I just think it would be a better fit. The stories could be... more complex? denser? than in a comic. It's just a lot easier to juggle multiple character arcs and plot lines in a novel. To me, novels would feel more like the show.

I'm sorry Joss is still grieving so mightily. The death of a loved one sure does make one a walking wounded. I don't think I'm going to blow out my candle out yet, though. Joss can bring anyone back to life--and quite frequently does. (Atheistic god though he is. ~_^)
I'd love anything Firefly. Audio dramas would be great, as would novels. Heck, I'd be happy if Joss decided to put on a puppet show.
BananaSandwichMan, back in 2005, when I ran the Serenity Squared convention, Jason Haigh Ellery, the producer of Big Finish productions, came to the event and was astonished by the size of the Firefly fan base in the UK.

As a result, he made many attempts to get the rights to produce Firefly audio dramas, along the lines of the ones that he has done for Dr Who and Stargate, but was sadly unable to do so.
Sometimes coming to this site is like visiting the Island of Broken Dreams. But in a loving way, I guess. :(
Sean once mentioned in an interview he'd be down with doing a traveling stage show with the rest of the cast. I'd be down with that too ;)
PaperSpock, I completely agree!
Some people are clearly posting drunk in here. Silly news article gets stupid replies, I guess.
This is a ship that has very clearly sailed, and I've gotten used to the idea of never having a "real" Firefly continuation (that is, on screens either large or small). Novels would be good. Steven Brust wrote one at one point and then the deal fell through for some reason or another. It's available for free online somewhere (do a Google and you'll find it). But it just wasn't the same. And I doubt many other continuations would be anything more than going through the motions. Sometimes it's best to let the best things simply rest in peace rather than drag them along in lesser form. For me, this is one of those instances.
Some people are clearly posting drunk in here. Silly news article gets stupid replies, I guess.

Respond to people's points if you disagree, without insulting them.
I didn't know that, SeanHarry, thanks for the information. Sad though, although in fairness I wouldn't be interested if Joss and company weren't the ones driving it.
Sometimes it's best to let the best things simply rest in peace rather than drag them along in lesser form. For me, this is one of those instances.

Normally I'd agree with you but in this case I would have to differ based solely on the fact that there is just so much untapped potential in the whole Firefly franchise that I think to simply let it - as you say - "rest in peace" would be tantamount to a bonafide crime against the artistic nature of humanity (tee hee!) As long as Joss Whedon continues to feel that there is still something left to be said in that 'verse I will continue to wait for its telling - something that I view as being inevitable in any situation where a storyteller suffers from the curse of an unfinished story (see the headline of this post.)

Further, it makes little difference to me in what medium or how long it takes the telling to actually come about (I'm talking decades here if necessary - it's not like I haven't gone there before.) Good stories are worth waiting for - that's how you know they're good stories - and considering how unbelievably good of a story Firefly is, it's fruition would seem worth a longer wait than most.

[ edited by brinderwalt on 2010-09-27 05:35 ]
Never occurred to me until I read the audio vs. comics debate, but perhaps Firefly could live on in animated form. It'd have to be adult-oriented which would be a hard sell in the US, but hey... Cowboy Bebop, am I right guys?

P.S. I still hope Buffy animated happens someday in a galaxy resembling this one.
archon, I was thinking along the same lines. I've read that the Japanese are doing the re-imagining of Supernatural in an animated form, and it's helmed by Erik Kripke. Not quite the same as a live series, but I would rather have that than comics.
Sunfire, I'll do that from now on. Sorry about that. I was wrapped up getting insight into existentialism and my Buffy comics, and some old movie. That can get weird, and incredible. And a little embarassing.


Anyhoo, this requires a tatoo, or at least some framing of things. Life sorting stuff. And next time I'm seeing a shrink, like Wesley begged. Joss and co. you are fucking awesome.

If you see this, hope it will cheer you up a bit.

[ edited by hence on 2010-09-27 13:29 ]
I think Firefly seems to still be tugging at the actors' heartstrings too, regardless of where they are now...I hold out more hope for that than any Angel/Buffy screen-time. And slightly OT, where in the US can I buy a copy of this issue??? I'll pay good money!
In case anyone is interested, Adam Baldwin tweeted this a few hours ago.
hopitopia and anyone else interested: I emailed SFX and they will be updating their main news story with info about how to buy the magazine overseas (i.e. outside the UK).
Joss in fact did give his blessing to the fan film "Browncoats: Redemption," which is set in the 'Verse, but on a different ship, with different characters. This in the broad sense keeps the mythology going, but of course cannot address our desire to see the characters again, and I suspect Joss' desire to work with the cast again *as* those characters.
The details will be going up on Thursday when the magazine goes on sale, so we'll do a front page entry for our non-UK posters.
I'd love anything Firefly. Audio dramas would be great, as would novels. Heck, I'd be happy if Joss decided to put on a puppet show.


"Shiny Time"?
Re: buying the magazine, I found this. There are options to buy individual issues and have them shipped overseas. Good to know there will be an official word though.
Effulgent, I didn't know that about Supernatural, that's pretty cool. I've seen every episode but I bet that could work anime style... gonna have to check it out. Firefly animated would require some really fantastic graphical artwork also, and I'm not sure I've seen a style that fits the feel of the 'verse.
Maybe one day we'll see the artwork for the Serenity animated prequel (that became the Those Left Behind mini-series).
haha, that's interesting too, Simon! I didn't know that they'd even been considering such a thing (or maybe I'd forgotten it). The more I think about it though, the less sure I am that it'd be a cool thing to do. So much of Firefly was the actors themselves and what they brought that without seeing their performances, it really loses something. It may well be better served by something like a radio drama where you don't have semi-inaccurate representations of these people clouding your vision and could just (in theory) listen to the actors. The comics are good but they're just so limited in the amount of content for how infrequently they come out.
I know everytime someone asks about Serenity2, it must feel like asking about someone whos been killed in a tragic accident. But with Joss, its kind of like asking God, He did it once and now we all hold that little tiny hope he'll do it again. We miss them too Joss.

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