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November 13 2010

'Rubicon', 'Terriers', & 'Caprica' top Save Our Show list. As determined by TV By The Numbers.

Um, actually, Rubicon and TERRIERS top the list, the latter of which has Shawn Ryan, Tim Minear, and Kelly Wheeler as WHEDONesque connections.
Also it should be noted this is not a list of shows DirecTV is looking at. It's simply TVbytheNumbers' own "game" (for lack of a better word) looking at what shows lead a hypothetical pack.
Well, I figured being #s 1 & 3 could reasonably be described as 'topping' the list. But I simply didn't know that Terriers was so Whedonesque (pun intended). I'll edit the link to pump them all.
Perhaps the title should be re--worded: This isn't DirecTV's "Save Our Show" list, this is TV by the Numbers' "DirecTV, Save Our Show" list.
I trust that's better by both of you...? :-)
I will be deeply depressed if Terriers is canceled. Losing Rubicon is hard enough but Terriers was practically perfect out of the gate and is truly one of the best shows on TV.
I'm still hurting over Caprica.
I vote for saving "Terriers." *Great* show.
I will be very disappointed if 'Terriers' is cancelled, it is the only new show I like. Actually I more than like it... I need to vote for it!
Don't forget "Life Unexpected"!

Emma Caulfield has been appearing in many (IMDb has her down for 11) of the Episodes this Season.
Caprica is the only one of those shows I've seen and I'm still very down about it (have any of the others even been on in the UK yet?.) Hope the other BSG spin off can prove to be just as good and get the ratings.
BBC4 was going to show Rubicon, but I don't know if that's still the case. Life Unexpected airs early Sunday evening on E4. SGU airs on Sky1. Nothing else on the list has begun yet over here yet.
I really like Running Wilde. So sad to read it will propably be a goner :(.

[ edited by the Groosalugg on 2010-11-15 00:38 ]
Running Wilde has improved a lot since the pilot, but I think part of me is still just watching it out of love for Arrested Development.
Comedy wise i'll be most disappointed if 'Community' gets the bullet, best new (ish) network comedy in years IMO.

(it was doing fine until CBS moved ratings juggernaut semi-mehfest 'The Big Bang Theory' to compete with it. As a result, if 'Community' gets cancelled I won't be watching TBBT again. OK, i'm only middling on the show anyway, i'm not American and don't live there, don't have a Nielsen box and don't even see the adverts nevermind buy anything related so my protest means nothing but still, in your face CBS !)
I'm really thinking Community might get a third season. It's much too early to say, of course. I'm not one for the "TBBT is killing Community" argument, 'cos I'm more for the "Community needs a better lead-in" one. IMO, it would be wonderful post-Office. Or something. Parks and Rec still needs to come back, so if they open up a new comedy block - put Community there instead; that might sort out both problems.
There doesn't have to be one exclusive cause Jaymii but 'Community' (with around 5 million viewers) being against 'The Big Bang Theory' (with around 13 million) surely isn't helping (it's not like there'll be no overlap in their viewership). I.e. i'd bet folding money that even with a better lead-in (meaning moving to a later timeslot) it'd still be suffering as a result of being opposite TBBT and I also don't believe that TBBT just happened to end up opposite it, to me it was a cynical and unnecessary move (obviously not by the cast or creators but by CBS). But I can understand why, if you're a fan of TBBT, you might prefer not to see it that way (as I say, I watch and usually enjoy it but it's a very standard US comedy which I can't say i'd miss much if it went. Unlike 'Community').

(FWIW though, I also think it might get a third series, partly because its DVD and download sales have apparently been pretty decent)
What's really encouraging about Community is that being moved opposite to TBBT doesn't seem to have affected its ratings at all - it's still pulling in similar (albeit small) to last season. Which is pretty impressive given how huge Big Bang is.
*checks ratings for last year* That's absolutely true (well, give or take about 150,000 so near as dammit). In which case it's like i've said all along, 'Community' doesn't suffer at all by being opposite 'The Big Bang Theory' and anyone that says different must be banoonoos.

Ahem. Move along, nothing to see here except HRH the King of Wrong.
Community did somewhat better at 8:30 a couple weeks back, but not as well as I'd hoped. I think the problem now is getting new viewers to give it a shot. It's holding its own against BBT but it's not growing, which it needs to do. At least the network seems to like it and is just letting it be what it is (awesome).
*throws support behind Community*

My fave comedy on right now, last week's bottle ep (meta-ly and hilariously pointed out by Abed) was fantastic, I thought. I would be quite sad if it didn't continue.

Also agree with Saje about Big Bang Theory, though I like it even less. I gave it a couple episodes and was thoroughly unenthralled. I don't get the popularity of that one.

ETA: The low ratings might not affect Community as much since it's on NBC, which is struggling mightily right now.

[ edited by guidedby on 2010-11-15 18:19 ]

[ edited by guidedby on 2010-11-15 18:19 ]
Yep, fantastic about sums it up, the big, slightly hyper-real episodes (like 'Modern Warfare' - the paintball one - or 'Epidemiology', this year's Halloween episode) are excellent but the show really works because you can literally just sit these people in a room and be entertained by their interactions. And funny aside, it also has a big ol' heart and though sometimes it veers over the line into schmaltz IMO last week was judged to perfection, Jeff's little knowing smile as he "hands off" to Troy to rescue his "impossible solution" was just a lovely moment.

Also, the episodes have so much going on that the rewatch value is through the roof (there were a few clues sprinkled through last week's for instance and as yet another sign of their awesome eye for detail, check this link - spoiler for last week's episode, "Cooperative Calligraphy" via the AV Club comment thread for the ep. How cool is it that the creators actually bothered to do it onscreen ?).


ETR 'minor' cos of the text at that link (just the caps probably wouldn't give much away).

[ edited by Saje on 2010-11-15 18:54 ]
Yes, that was amazing. It's something you can barely see in the corner of the screen, but it's so cool that it's actually there. Same thing with the Abed delivering a baby in the background of an episode gag.
Watched that one twice and still didn't see it until someone online pointed it out (i'm gonna tell myself it's not that i'm really unobservant, it's because the A story is so distractingly watchable ;).
Gotta say that Terriers is one of the few new shows that interests me this season...

While I enjoyed Caprica and was disappointed that it was cancelled, it was partly because of BSG-nostalgia, partly because of its Espensonia, and partly because I was always hoping it would jell a little better with a little more time...

But for me Terriers is the show with the character development I care about - the dialogue is smart, the action suspenseful, and the show assumes to an unusual degree that its viewers have intelligence and sensitivity. I love the actors, and I'm genuinely involved with their characters and the unfolding story.

If you love Terriers, you can email FX at user@fxnetworks.com and tell them so - support is being tallied. And watch it on DVR/hulu/FX/iTunes/Amazon/OnDemand to be part of the non-Nielsen tally...

ETF: Typo-mania

[ edited by QuoterGal on 2010-11-15 21:05 ]
DVR is still a Nielsen household thing.
Couldn't tell for sure if that means "DVR viewings only get counted if done by official Nielsen households" or "viewings by *anyone* on DVR already get counted into Nielsen stats."

Tried to exercise google-fu to find out which - but so much written about Nielsen online is spin or contradictory or outdated, I really couldn't tell...
Only the DVRs of Nielsen households are counted.
I think some isolated DVR stats are counted automatically (because some subscription based services sell the data back to the advertisers who presumably then influence the networks) but the vast majority are counted as part of the standard Nielsen numbers (so if you're not a number but a free man/woman/other being then you don't count).

TVbythenumbers FAQ (they don't rate DVR numbers very highly but I guess the real question is, do networks ?).

I like 'Terriers' a fair bit. Not as much as some on here seem to but it's a good show with likeable leads and scripts that cover obvious ground in very non-obvious ways, the "scraping by/hustle for your grub" element reminds me a lot of great book detectives like Easy Rawlins or (more obviously) 'The Rockford Files'. So i'll miss it if it goes but not like 'Firefly' miss it.
DirecTV (I think) has a deal with Rentrak but it's pure views, no demographics (which is what advertisers care about) and basically no one uses them for anything important. They are certainly not counted as part of a show's ratings, which is pure Nielsen.

[ edited by The One True b!X on 2010-11-16 02:36 ]
Saje wrote:

Also, the episodes have so much going on that the rewatch value is through the roof (there were a few clues sprinkled through last week's for instance and as yet another sign of their awesome eye for detail, check this link - spoiler for last week's episode, "Cooperative Calligraphy" via the AV Club comment thread for the ep. How cool is it that the creators actually bothered to do it onscreen ?).


Thank you so much for that link. That was awesome. And I couldn't agree more about things like Jeff's knowing smile to Troy. Or the other two big episodes you mention. Modern Warfare was my favorite half hour of tv last year, and after I do a re-watch, Epidemiology might be this year's. But I'll wait to see if they top themselves again. ;)

hacksaway wrote:

Yes, that was amazing. It's something you can barely see in the corner of the screen, but it's so cool that it's actually there. Same thing with the Abed delivering a baby in the background of an episode gag.


Loved this too. I remember catching it out of the corner of my eye at first and then being fascinated as the episode progressed, even if the A story was trying to steal my attention. ;) Also loved his response when Shirley asked him what he was up to, and he says, "Not much." Reminded me of Xander at the end of The Zeppo. Very cool.

Re: Terriers... I will say I thoroughly enjoy it. The characters are real people, not stereotypes, which is refreshing. I think the drama is handled quite well, and the two leads are doing a bang-up job. I was surprised by both of them.
Terriers is pure dynamite! Every aspect of the show has me enthralled. If it gets cancelled it will feel like losing another Whedonesque show which is appropriate considering the talent behind it. Please Terriers make it!
Take note of QG's comment: FX is tallying email to user@fxnetworks.com re: Terriers. Send 'em if you want an S2.
The cynic in me wonders if that's so they don't get inundated with small but scrappy dogs in the post (i.e. give them something to aim at that we can easily ignore). Doesn't take much to send an email though so it has to be worth a punt.

DirecTV (I think) has a deal with Rentrak but it's pure views, no demographics (which is what advertisers care about) and basically no one uses them for anything important.

That's money well spent then isn't it ? Not doubting what you say TheOneTrueB!x but do you have any links so that I can teach myself to fish instead of relying on your hand-outs (i.e. where does that info come from) ?
It was DISH, not DirecTV. I'm heading towards pre-dentist appointment sleep, so start with this TVbtN item.
Cheers for that (and have a good appointment. Not fond of dentists myself but focusing really hard on the light works for me. Don't go into the light though, that would be bad ;).

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