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November 19 2010

"This is the picture". A stunning fanvid comparing all of Joss's shows to each other - showing some unexpected similarities. I wouldn't normally link to a vid, but this is more an analysis of Whedon's overall themes and ideas than anything else.)

Pretty! And there are a lot of similarities I didn't expect! Dr. Horrible/Dark Willow being one that stuck in my head since I love both of them!
Very well done! Oh, how I wish I had the time to watch through all the series again...
Wow! Very nice!
I guess I don't mean to express a downer side to this, but I wasn't really impressed. Not that my not being impressed matters or anything. I just sort of...didn't get it?

I didn't like the music at all. That's purely subjective on my part. Weird song is weird. It didn't seem to fit. And it's well put-together, I'm not doubting this guy's editing skills or anything. I just really didn't see how the music and lyrics reflected the video clips used, other than the occasional literal translations (the snow part comes to mind).

I understand what the guy was trying to do, which negates my "I didn't get it" statement earlier, but I guess it just wasn't executed sharply in my opinion. Instead, it just looks like, "Here was an explosion scene with Buffy. Then there was one with Echo!" Back and forth, again and again. We know that there are many many similarities across Joss' work. leonhart_17 points out being unaware of the Dr. Horrible/Dark Willow connection, and I applaud the video creator for pointing out that and other similarities, but it just feels like...I dunno. "That's nice" kind of sums it up for me. =/

I've seen far more impressive things on YouTube and the fact that this guy makes it a downloadable link and asks us not to post it on YouTube kind of produces a pretentious air, at least for me, most likely because I've seen this done on YouTube with better music and better video execution.

I am preparing for everyone to hate me for being mean. I hope not. This guy seems very talented. I just personally wouldn't call this video "stunning" is all. (Not that I could do better.) It's obvious he put a lot of time, effort, and thought into it, and it shows.

You know? I think, for me, it all comes down to the choice of music. That really just didn't allow it to work for me. But I appreciate any Whedon analysis, so that's good. Please do not sling rocks at me. =(
I've seen far more impressive things on YouTube and the fact that this guy makes it a downloadable link and asks us not to post it on YouTube kind of produces a pretentious air, at least for me, most likely because I've seen this done on YouTube with better music and better video execution.

Waterkeeper, a lot of people (especially on LiveJournal) have issues with the way YouTube works, and would prefer not host any vids there.
Also, I'd find it really rude for someone to post one of my vids to somewhere else without asking me.

I wouldn't call it pretentious.
Love this vid. :D
I did not get it.
Awesome vid! The editing is amazing and I love the choice of clips he showcased. It really makes me want to rewatch all of Whedons shows :)
deird, I *totally* get asking someone not to post a vid without your permission. I guess I just looked into that statement incorrectly. Anyway, no big.
Yes, I liked it!

To me there seemed to be an underlying feeling of contrasts. Pictures of people fighting juxtaposed with pictures of people hugging or embracing (that one stood out pretty clearly).
It's also not just the images, but the themes behind the images that are compared. Bleak hopelessness, family, death, anger.

That was an interesting way to characterize Joss's works. I very much liked it.

I do have to admit that some of those shots were only similar because of the traditional devices that Joss uses, such as the blood in the sink.
Having never heard the song before, I really liked it. I'm a big Genesis fan and the more I hear of Peter Gabriel's solo works the more I want to hear... more. Need to get into that.

As for the video, I think the editing is stunning, and I agree with VeryVeryCrowded about the video being more about the themes behind the scenes, rather than the scenes themselves. Certainly at times it looked like it was strictly about the scenes or the camera angles, but I still think it made for a fantastic video.

Also, I too hadn't made the Dark Willow/Dr. Horrible connection. It seems in Whedonverse that the death of a loved one can either give you the conviction to fight harder than ever and keep going, or strip you of everything and lead you on a downward spiral.
I found it to be mesmerizing! The juxtaposition of images from all of Joss's shows highlighting similarities -- but with the differences, too. I've passed the link on to other friends. So well done!
I thought this was beautifully done - maybe not as emotionally fraught as some I've seen, but I think that was done quite deliberately - Gabriel's (and Laurie Anderson, too, yay!) song is distancing and ethereal, and the video artist is visually presenting thematic aspects of Joss' work overall, not getting all up close and personal.

The gorgeous "Defying Gravity" Serenifly video by YFish42 may still make me cry every time I watch it (yep, just watched it again, and it did it yet again, goddammit), but this video does something completely different, and equally worthy.

I think the video's creator, obsessive24, is quite the artist themselves - like an abstract painter, or collage artist, they've woven fragments together in a way that creates something altogether new and effective.

As a fan of all of Joss' productions used in this video, I found it pleasing to have them all used together in one piece - something I've not seen before. It made my perceptions come at it all in a different way...

I'm glad I downloaded it to watch - now I have it to play again whenever I want.
I've seen far more impressive things on YouTube and the fact that this guy makes it a downloadable link and asks us not to post it on YouTube kind of produces a pretentious air,

Youtube is not the be all/end all source for fanvideos - far from it. As for more 'impressive things' then that is a matter of personal taste.

Vidders are constantly having their work reposted and claimed by others either in whole or part, some are not happy with having their work on a high profile site. There are issues with Youtube and copyright anyhow. Other vidders (me included) choose to risk posting a few vids there and some rather not. Obsessive24 is one of the best vidders I know - their whedonverse vids are exceptional (imho). And as soon as I get the opportunity I shall be downloading and watching this one.
If you hate this video, you probably hate puppies.

Okay, so obviously that's not true. :)

But I did love it. Great work.
This was amazing. I love that it finished with Buffy's dive from "The Gift", too - if there's an image that's more iconically Buffy, I don't know what it is.

Also, not that this is really Obsessive24's fault, but man it's a bit jarring jumping between HD quality Dr. Horrible or Dollhouse, and grainy S2 Buffy. Just makes me realise how long Buffy has been around for.
It's pretty annoying having to download vids to be honest, I had no idea which vid link to click to download and then had to go through the rigmarole of installing Windows Media Player 11 and faffing around making sure it didn't become my default player. Youtube is just easier and more likely to make me watch something a)at all and b)in a good mood. Whatever though.

The video was fun in the way that watching cool clips of Joss' shows is fun, but it falls a bit flat at a deeper level. I mean, yeah there's a lot to compare thematically in Joss' work but jsut showing a shot of people hugging in one show followed by some more hugs in another show...that doesn't really mean anything. You could do that with a bunch of shows. The only thing you could really say about this as a Whedon comparison exercise is that it demonstrates the emotional and dramatic breadth of all the different shows.

Plus I hate that kind of music.
It's a very good video and I do like the connections and themes identified. Top notch editing too. But and it's a big but, it's missing the humour of the shows. How comedy is used when people are under amazing pressure is a part of Joss' work and I'm not really seeing it here.
Interestingly enough, playing the Benny Hill theme over this video makes it appear that all of Joss's characters live in a world where nothing but hilarity ensues and they're annoyed and distressed by this fact.
It's pretty annoying having to download vids to be honest, I had no idea which vid link to click to download and then had to go through the rigmarole of installing Windows Media Player 11 and faffing around making sure it didn't become my default player. Youtube is just easier and more likely to make me watch something a)at all and b)in a good mood. Whatever though.

You didn't have to download it. There were clear instructions on how to stream it by typing in the password he gave you.
Very cool. I'd need to watch it many times to get all the tied themes and images, but I noticed things like not just hugging, but young women hugging their mentor/father figures who would betray them, and not just groups of people, but people joining together as surrogate families.
Not really my cuppa, but glad people enjoyed it.

As an aside, I'm not sure how posting it on LJ for download makes it harder for other people to repost and/or claim it as their own and I'm sure a lively discussion could be on on whether YouTube or LJ is more problematic from a copyright standpoint. I should probably also say that someplace not here is a great place for those discussions to happen (.org or The Library).

[ edited by zeitgeist on 2010-11-19 18:17 ]
Loved it! Loved the music (but then I always was a big Peter Gabriel fan) and loved the editing. All in all very nicely done indeed. :D
I quite enjoyed it, it reminded me of some of the better AMV's I've seen in my time (this and this stand out, imo). My only niggle is the TVRips being used - I hate logos on videos, it takes me out of it -- just the same as seeing fansubs on a AMV.
Simon: But and it's a big but, it's missing the humour of the shows. How comedy is used when people are under amazing pressure is a part of Joss' work and I'm not really seeing it here.

While I know what you mean about the humor in Joss' productions - not surprisingly, it's a big draw for me, too - I'm not sure the lack of it in this piece necessarily means that the vid comes up short.

I'm not sure that this work is trying to cover every thematic aspect of Joss and Co.'s work - nor that a piece has to try and cover everything involved in the work it's paying homage to in order to be successful.

I think it may be analogous to essays about about Joss' work - we wouldn't expect that an essay should tackle everything in order to be complete in itself. I mean, we'd be annoyed if it left out data that conflicted with its premise, but other than that we wouldn't expect that an author would hafta to try and cover everything if they were just looking at several aspects of his oeuvre. (Don't mean to be pretentious there w/ the French, but it does seem like the best word in this instance. ; >)

Its lack might make it less appealing to those of us that really cherish the Mutant Enemy humor - though it doesn't for me - but I'm not sure that means the piece is therefore inadequate or incomplete as an art piece. It's just its flavor.


Matt7325: Interestingly enough, playing the Benny Hill theme over this video makes it appear that all of Joss's characters live in a world where nothing but hilarity ensues and they're annoyed and distressed by this fact.

Oh, you're just a wrong 'un, you are. I mean that in the good way.
QuoterGal, mind if I cosign your comments here? I agree completely.
I'm not sure that this work is trying to cover every thematic aspect of Joss and Co.'s work


True but the video make it look like Joss' work is mostly grim and full of pathos. But a lot of the time that's not the case. Black humour is a strong strand through his work and it's not something picked up here.
I think humor is outside the purview of the song, though, and would be disruptive tonally.
I think my problem with this video is that while edited extremely well, you could probably find just as many scenes in other shows that match the themes they used. Most of the imagery revolved around television staples like dripping blood, serene snowfall, escape, using the shower to cleanse more than the body, gestures as communication, somber group shots, reactions to death, etc.

I bet you could easily mix in a show like Heroes or Lost (or maybe even something non sci-fi like Breaking Bad) without it feeling out of place to someone who didn't know this was supposed to be a Whedon video.
"I don't get it. What is it, avant-garde?"-Snyder

Actually, it was quite good. Liked it a lot.
I see Whedon awesomeness, so I liked the video very much.
The assembling of those similiarities give it a nice structure.

>> "I don't get it. What is it, avant-garde?"-Snyder << - Hahaha!
I agree with you, Simon. It was not representative as a whole, though still enjoyable. The humor is what grounds everything. Not the pathos.
As someone said earlier up thread I don't think it's aim was to make a vid representing the entire outpourings of Wheodns shows, but just elements within it.

Also to me It has a dream like qulity which I enjoyed a great deal.
That was me. Yeah, still don't buy that it's somehow lacking in validity or merit to artistically play with one perspective of the Whedon'verse that doesn't contain all aspects of it, however significant they may be.

There's no need for one piece to be somehow fully representative of Joss' work. Exploring the pathos doesn't mean that humor's not an important part of his 'Verse - just that it's not what this video is about.

If this piece was supposed to be presented at an AFI or Emmy/Oscar Jossy-tribute, or meant to introduce newbies to his work, I'd say y'all might have a point.

This is a fanvid using the pathos or pain or drama of his work to draw a throughline across his work about these aspects themselves. It simply doesn't need to crack a joke.
No. Just no. You can do this for any show. I mean, for God's sake, you could probably do this with a Lizzie McGuire and The X-Files combo. Yeah, it's a great video, but not worth posting on the site.
Just caught this one before it fell off the front page.

I really enjoyed the video as simply a collection of clips of the shows. Boy, are they all great and the editing to show them off was very nicely done. But, as an analysis of Joss's work I just don't think it works too well. There were moments (evil Willow/Dr. Horrible and themes of Family) that really did show the similarities and differences well and would have loved to have seen a two-three minute set of clips much more focused on a single idea. As it is shown in this video, it just comes off as a collection of shots that are very generic in the world of cinema and TV.

Definitely a nice idea though and would love to see the person behind it create something with a little more depth using the same concept.
Brilliant.

The editing was impressive.

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