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December 17 2010

Hollywood Reporter includes Buffy in the top 80 moments in TV history. THR counts down what they consider to be the top 80 greatest moments in television's existence, and considers a particular episode of "Buffy" to be among the finest.

"GLeefully perfect" is that a reference to how Glee like it is?! Just kidding, this had plot relevance!
Hollywood Reporter includes Buffy in the top 80 moments in American TV history.

There you go, fixed it for you ;).

Not complaining BTW (it is The Hollywood Reporter after all) just pointing out that it'd be a different list in other countries, including this damp little island (not completely different - a lot of those're global events - but different).

That aside, lots and lots of amazing TV moments on there, can't disagree with the ones i've seen myself (either live or afterwards, in recordings).


ETA: Though thinking about it, whether i'd go with "greatest" to describe some of those moments i'm not so sure. "Momentous" maybe ? "Memorable" ?

[ edited by Saje on 2010-12-17 23:47 ]
Buffy being shown on the Daily Show may resonate throughout time.
Be amazed if it hadn't already. If a significant number of the audience that "night" weren't time-travellers from the future then my name isn't Saje. And it isn't so I rest my case. QED. Quid pro quo. Hasta la vista. Placido Domingo.
I'm surprised there wasn't anything from Lost. The pilot alone was influential. Plus, "We have to go back!" might be the greatest twist in TV history.
One of the top 80 moments in TV History, and yet Joss Whedon gets little or no respect from Hollywood. Sadness.
Well Riverine, he is in charge of potentially one of the biggest franchises around now. (At least I honestly can't think of any other occasion where films that were intended to stand on their own right were all supposed to culminate into a bigger tale? Granted I'm not counting thematic trilogies but those all tend to be directors with their own works.)

Plus really there are some even bigger names that still get stuck with studio bureaucracy foisted upon them. (Also TV is still sort of considered a bastard medium right despite evidence to the contrary?)
I'm always glad to see Buffy or any of Joss' shows get a mention on a "top ..." list, but this list is so wildly uneven. I don't think it's much of a distinction to be on the same list as Da Plane Boss, Da Plane, Where's the Beef? and Let's get Mikey and some other really cheesy stuff. The Moon Landing? Hell to the yes. Cronkite losing it as he tells America and the world that President Kennedy was assassinated? Mais Oui! It's just weird. Or, I could be a very tired curmudgeon this evening. Ahem: I'll be over here.
It seems to me this is a list of iconic television moments, events that had a greater influence than purely entertainment.

[ edited by Emmie on 2010-12-19 07:48 ]
Yeah, "iconic" is probably a better word than "greatest" for the twin towers collapsing on September 11th. And clearly that's not about entertainment.

A few UK additions/substitutions for the curious...

Every story has a beginning...
Nevermind the bollocks, here's the Sex Pistols (meeting Bill Grundy)
Basil Fawlty has enough
Brian Hanrahan counting them all out and then counting them all back again
Michal Buerk's report from the Ethiopian famine
Live Aid 1985
Blackadder and "chums" go over the top
Stuart Pearce's penalty in Italia '90 (actual footage of the penalty itself is pretty hard to find for some reason. Ahem ;)
Stuart Pearce's penalty in Euro '96 (normally you only see those kinds of profoundly brave redemptive moments in fiction. Psycho for President of the Universe ! He can do the term after Felicia Day ;)
Missed out on a whole bunch due to not being alive or not sticking with a show long enough (Seinfeld). Some of the unfortunate highlights in the news this past decade were pretty insane. Was fun to be there for some of the big TV series drama moments.

Way too many sports moments. Athletic prowess, the culmination of one's training (or just an unbelievable play in team sports, sure), the determination & blood/sweat/tears it takes to get there, nothing to be downplayed. But society the world over ? Over-the-top obsessed spectators, as emphasized by the prevalence on this list (in countries where they have little and sport is the main source of entertainment and/or leisure activity, I get it, but I'm surprised--given all the ways in which one can spend their time--that it's endured and thrived the way it has). Like religion, can it please go away or at least lessen considerably already ?
Sport's a part of culture whether you're a fan or not Kris, it's endured because, just as with films/books/TV, everything about being human is in there somewhere. And as I say above, every now and again you see the kind of story happen in real life that we normally have to make up.

The crypto-tribalism that goes along with it on the other hand, sure, I could live without that (where I come from people have been killed for following the wrong football team, primarily because it's tied into religion as well as almost being one itself).
The musical gleefully perfect? If they wanted perfection they should have chosen 'The Body'.
Got the episode name wrong, followed by a weird choice of words. There is much in OMWF that is a far cry from "gleeful."

[ edited by Tin Ear Tom on 2010-12-18 23:35 ]
"Sport's a part of culture whether you're a fan or not Kris"

Yeah, I know, I know. Could insert "religion" into that sentence and it'd be just as true/accurate. I know that the world is the way it is and that there's little chance it'll change/progress as fast as some would like, in the way that they would like, while I'm/we're/they're still alive to observe and experience it, and regardless of whether or not they decide to/attempt to influence change. And that even if I was granted a wish or two that enabled me to rearrange things a bit (which'd create a moral dilemma in itself, given how that'd screw everyone else over for free choice and I'm not sure I could do that--depending on how angry and selfish a day I'm having), I'd almost surely still find popular things to bitch about.

I know that religion and sport being a part of humanity makes sense when taking history into consideration, rather than only my narrow 20-some years' worth of observations and criticisms about how they effect things/get in the way of things/distract folks/annoy me personally, and that a world without them could conceivably be less interesting or worse off. I've experienced the reality of how hard it is to talk people down from/reason people away from religion. I'm not sure I'd ever bother with sport--and would probably be seen as a tool for trying--despite just decrying how popular it is in the media. It's not really hurting anything (occasional soccer fans and contact sports participants excepted), some benefit is gained from the obsession due to some (many?most?) sports fans being more active for it [since most folks aren't motivated by, "it's healthy!"], and it provides eye candy of both varieties.

I'm a little bothered that me and my sister can't figure out how to influence our 9 year old cousin to grow up to be smarter and nicer, instead of the hockey-obsessed, bullying, ADHD-case he seems to be developing into so far(I know, it's early days yet, stop worrying), but I've pretty much given up on that as a lost cause when it comes to some boys and men.

I get that I need to just accept it and enjoy life in spite of the perceived bullshit and/or simple differences in priorities from person to person, to live and let live in some cases. I used to accept it, in my early-to-mid 20s (when agnostic/undecided/open and still too optimistic to really see the cracks). Atheism and age are growing me into an occasionally cranky (cranky more often than I'd like, at least)--and long-windedly ranting, I know--individual. And it's stupid because life is relatively great on a personal level, I have no real cause or justification to be this angsty.

Bleh,

"[sport's] endured because, just as with films/books/TV, everything about being human is in there somewhere"

I haven't seen, maybe am incapable of noticing, that. With films/books/TV, it's inherent in the story. With sports...I see folks reading into it to get that kind of fulfillment and I see that occasionlly in the after-game commentary/interviews and newspaper columns, but not in the events themselves. On the surface at least, I don't see most sports fans, from friends to family members to the fans you see on TV, appreciating the humanity in sports the same way we appreciate it in a well-made, moving film/book/TV series. They're not even on the same or comparable level, from where I'm sitting, and sports fans' claims similar to yours from when I've engaged on this topic in the past have me thinking that either they're delusional or defensibly talking up their passion the same way the faithful do when they can't handle criticism of their religion...or I'm just incapable of getting it.

No more Whedonesque 'til after Food & Family Day/Xmas. Going out to lose self in the company of friends, pizza, and Rock Band 3.
Well then presumably you won't see this for days if at all but...

Yeah, I know, I know. Could insert "religion" into that sentence and it'd be just as true/accurate.

My point is more you could insert "soap operas" or "comics" or "novels" and it'd be just as true/accurate. I'm very much not a fan of the first of those but I see what people get out of it and don't consider it something we'd be better off without (because I have the choice not to watch).

Don't really get why you feel so strongly that sport is such a negative thing to be honest Kris, presumably you've had some bad life experiences with it. As I say, sports fandom has aspects that're very nasty but y'know, sports fandom is something that people do so if there were no nasty aspects to it frankly i'd want to know where the real human race had gone and who swapped them out cos that's just what happens when you put us in the mix. Sometimes I wonder what'd happen if we here were as large a group as e.g. football fans are. I doubt we'd become hooligans (but then neither are 99.9% of football fans) but I also suspect the nastier aspects of our fandom would be magnified and become apparent for all to see.

They're not even on the same or comparable level, from where I'm sitting, and sports fans' claims similar to yours from when I've engaged on this topic in the past have me thinking that either they're delusional or defensibly talking up their passion the same way the faithful do when they can't handle criticism of their religion...or I'm just incapable of getting it.

Yeah, maybe you just are (I hate making that "You just don't get it" type of claim at people who disagree with me but then i've never seen you make claims like "delusional" of so many people before either). You mention yourself that athletic prowess, hard work etc. are admirable qualities. Sports also require courage at the right time, they showcase honour (known as "good sportsmanship") and its opposite, you have heroes and villains, some sports have an intellectual component (and most involve at least tactics/strategy), by your own admission there's love there (too much in your opinion) and hate (too much in both our opinions), redemption as I mention above, unity (and its flip side, tribalism) etc.

Put it this way, a billion people from nearly every country around the world watch the World Cup finals and the vast majority of them bear no ill-will towards their fellow fans despite ostensibly being in competition with them. Nothing else that we do unites so many different types of people from so many different walks of life (not even religion).


ETA: Actually "a billion" seemed pretty high to me so I googled it and that's an inflated figure put out by FIFA, the actual verifiable figure (i.e. not guesstimating viewers in places like Africa which tend not to have electronic channel measurement or adding any for pub viewers etc.) for a single game seems closer to 250-300 million. Across the entire tournament it's probably a fair bit higher but it's hard to be precise.

[ edited by Saje on 2010-12-19 17:05 ]

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