6 months woah. wasn't expecting that much time to have had past (i was expecting a week to at most 1 month). Does anyone else like that's it's set somewhere else, AFTER everything but also wanted to see the moments right after the battle. hopefully they'll be flashbacks

Nathan | December 27, 01:50 CET

More ignoring the pay off from events by 'jumping' through time. I'm getting a tad sick of this idea rewally. What with gaps in how half the characters got from Chosen to season 8, and now this.

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sueworld2003 | December 27, 02:00 CET

What's so upsetting about Angel coming back under the Buffy banner? I don't get it.

GilesQueen | December 27, 05:16 CET

Hell, I wish all of season 9 was nothing but fill-in from the gap between chosen and this comic season!

DeathIsYourGift | December 27, 07:57 CET

That's a more cheerful image than I was expecting.

Sunfire | December 27, 10:43 CET

What's so upsetting about Angel coming back under the Buffy banner? I don't get it.
GilesQueen


Because AtS was another show lasted five years and has its own comics. Oh, and it has another fanbase, not so happy seeing his title character thrown in s8 so badly.

aradia | December 27, 13:54 CET

Georges has the patience of a saint to answer fan questions like that with such grace. Don't know how he does it.

I'm so happy Angel and Buffy are coming into one comic or line of comics. I have no inclination to keep up with IDW and Darkhorse. I would imagine the numbers at this point are shrinking to the point that it only makes sense to consolidate.

IrrationaliTV | December 27, 14:08 CET

Does anyone else see that pic as Buffy and Willow holding hands? Perhaps reconciling?

racheltng | December 27, 16:19 CET

I was kind of hoping more than six months would pass, actually. Something like two or three years. Or whatever would iron out the timeline to be concurrent with ours again.

Kairos | December 27, 16:36 CET

I have no inclination to keep up with this comic at all any more. In fact, they could bring Tara back and I'd not bother to keep up with this any more.

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Dana5140 | December 27, 16:47 CET

Dana5140 and sueworld2003, with all due respect to you both, are either of your above posts really necessary? I think everyone else here at Whedonesque is now perfectly clear that neither of you like the comics. We get it! Honestly, we do!

It just feels like you both have to find something to complain about in every single Season 8 related thread. Dana, your complaint isn't even thread specific. Just a general 'did I mention recently that I don't like the comics' kinda thing. It's starting to seem kinda petty now. As if you're upset about the season 8 storyline not being your cup of tea and you want to do everything you can to make as many people as possible feel the same way you do.

I'm the last person to try and tell anyone not to have an opinion but I just don't understand why two people who claim to dislike this story as much as you both say you do seem to spend so much time discussing it. I'll be honest, if I disliked the comics that much, I'd have stopped reading the threads about them a long time ago. If not for my own sake then for the sake of the fans who wouldn't need to hear me making the same complaints over and over again.

Highlander | December 27, 17:48 CET

I'm with Highlander, but it doesn't really matter now, does it? Season 8 issue discussions are all but dead, so I guess that crowd got what they were after.

Rowan Hawthorn | December 27, 18:25 CET

It is a little annoying guys, no one's forcing you to read the comic books, what Dana posted didn't even relate to anything really.
@racheltng i saw the picture, i doubt they're reconciling(just a guess) but maybe just admitting defeat. I'm guessing it'll take a while to fix things between them. I DO hope we get a date on the comic book, nothing specific just a year, possibly a month, or maybe a hint to the month based on the seasons (the weather... something)

Nathan | December 27, 18:25 CET

Well If you read my comment properly you'd see I was responding to certain revelations made in the Q&A, rather them plucking irrelevant comments out of thin air and looking up thread I'm not the only one.

"Hell, I wish all of season 9 was nothing but fill-in from the gap between chosen and this comic season!"

Oh god ditto.

sueworld2003 | December 27, 18:54 CET

I'm fine with jumping ahead for the coda. I don't see why there's cause for fuss about it.



Interesting. For me, bringing Tara back would be a sign to stop reading, not a temptation to stick with it.

Emmie | December 27, 19:04 CET

Throwing my lot in with Highlander here. It's gotten to the point where in each Season-8 thread, I count down waiting for either of a select few posters to appear with an "I hate season 8" post that offers little, if anything, to the discussion.
Like Highlander said, we get it. Really, we hear you. Do you have to insist on trying to ruin it for everyone else? It's gone beyond a "here's my opinion" deal, and devolved into something much less pleasant. To be perfectly blunt, it makes me dread these threads. I'm not saying every thread should be a praise-fest. God knows season 8 has had it's problems (like every other season) but there's a difference between "constructive criticism" and "I hate these comics!". The posts in question are leaning further and further towards the latter as time goes on.

And just for the sake of discussion, Sue, I find your initial post kind of the reverse of what makes sense. If you want payoff, then why not wait till the characters have a chance to feel the ramifications? Why not give us a chance to see how this has effected them? Seeing them immediately after could be nice, yea, but we'll see a new side of them if they've had time to deal with everything that's happened. Think of it like a season gap. We didn't see the immediate effects of how the Scoobies dealt with Buffy's (second) death, or how Buffy dealt with being killed, or how she wound up in an LA diner. We don't need the immediate effects, we need the actual payoff that comes later, once the characters can actually let the impact hit them.

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trunkstheslayer | December 27, 20:09 CET

"and just for the sake of discussion, Sue, I find your initial post kind of the reverse of what makes sense. If you want payoff, then why not wait till the characters have a chance to feel the ramifications? Why not give us a chance to see how this has effected them?"

Because judging by how season 8 ignored how characters got from A-B we will probably find ourselves skipping over that side of this and rushing headlong onto something else, which for me at least really didn't work, so forgive me If I really don't want a repeat performance of that in season 9. But I'm willing to hope that this time they'll do it a little differently.

But thats the thing you see, this is just my take on it, and not somebody elses. Like everyone else on here I've read every issue and so feel I'm entitled to speak about it. This is a thread concerned with the comics after all.

But If people don't want to hear anything but none critical opinions, then you'll be delighted to hear I'm taking my leave. :)

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sueworld2003 | December 27, 20:35 CET

Not everyone else...I'm way behind but now not sure I want to catch up. I don't like to go around complaining a whole lot though because I'm aware there are various feelings and POVs and I don't want to make anyone feel bad.

GilesQueen | December 27, 21:17 CET

Okay guys maybe we should get back on track here and actually discuss what was beign dicussed in the Q&A. Personally i loved season eight but i also love that they're going in a different direction (a bit more personal) I can't wait for #40, i think it's going to be fantastic, one issue of pure Joss Whedon and Georges, not that i have anything against anyone else who has work on this season. Georges is pretty amazing for answering all these questions, i hope he stays on to do Buffy in season nine and the Willow mini-series. maybe there could be a new artist to Angel and Spike though, but not Urru or anyone who did it while they were at IDW. Anyone know how much longer it will take to get a preview. I'm guessing it will come out around the new year. but i'm so tired of waiting.

Nathan | December 27, 21:38 CET

Nice art for #40 that Georges tweeted. Seems hopeful. Some of the comments underneath were unnecessary.

As for the Q&A, it's nice to know that Spike will have a "better" role in season 9. And that he's back in the Buffyverse instead of hanging out with Angel. :)

HappyMeal | December 27, 23:11 CET

I like the comics.

(Humor galor).

TylerAustin | December 28, 00:52 CET

"Well If you read my comment properly you'd see I was responding to certain revelations made in the Q&A, rather them plucking irrelevant comments out of thin air and looking up thread I'm not the only one."

I never suggested otherwise, in your case, sueworld2003. If you read my comment again you'll see that I was only talking about Dana5140 when I mentioned the non-thread-specific complaining.

"But If people don't want to hear anything but none critical opinions, then you'll be delighted to hear I'm taking my leave. :)"

Far from it! I've a number of issues with Season 8 myself, even more with the later issues of the IDW Angel run. I'm more than happy to hear negative opinions on the books. I seriously doubt that anyone here is entirely happy with everything that has happened since the switch to comic book format. It just seems that a few people here seem to go out of their way to be negative about them, to the point where we just now get random 'don't like them' comments such as Dana left above. That's not leaving constructive criticism anymore. It's just being negative. Surely when you get to the point where you have nothing positive left to say, it's better for all concerned to just not bother posting.

Highlander | December 28, 04:04 CET

Whedonesque is well moderated. We don't need members telling each other what they should or should not post. If you don't like what someone is saying, then don't read it.

NotaViking | December 28, 05:18 CET

- Caroline, December 11th.

Matt7325 | December 28, 05:36 CET

It's not a moderation issue, NotaViking. At least not as far as I see it. I'm not telling anyone not to post anything. I'm simply trying to understand why they would even want to, given that there is clearly no enjoyment to be found in the comics for them anymore.

I mean, I used to be a Heroes fan. I loved the first season but even then I found reasons to criticise certain aspects of the show. Which is fair enough as constructive criticism is all part and parcel of being a fan. Come the third season, I found that I was finding more to complain about than I had to praise and at that point I stopped watching and stopped discussing the show online entirely, realising that the show's fans didn't need to hear me constantly whine and complain about something that is, at the end of the day, a purely subjective matter. It was a waste of my time to continue discussing something I disliked and unfair to expect others to want to read all the reasons why I thought the show had failed.

That's all that I'm trying to say here, because it is getting to the point where the negativity is making me not want to discuss Season 8 at Whedonesque, and I don't think I'm alone in that. Which is a shame because... well, it's Whedonesque!

Highlander | December 28, 05:40 CET

NotaViking - Ah, so it is only the h8ters who have a place in these threads. Gotcha. By the way, take your own advice - others seem to have, which is, imo, why the Season 8 discussion threads are all but dead. I'm certainly not the only one who got fed up with the basher chorus and vacated.

Rowan Hawthorn | December 28, 05:40 CET

It would be lovely if people emailed us with their concerns as per the rules but no one ever seems to do so. In the meantime if we could cut down on the sniping and the pettiness and get back to what Georges said then that would be appreciated. I'll be going through these comments with a fine comb to see who is out of line.

Simon | December 28, 06:01 CET

Nice of you to use a fine comb Simon. I'd use a ratty old one with teeth missing if it were me. ;)

Lioness | December 28, 06:08 CET

That would help :). Posting from the phone is never fun. Oh and there will be a somewhat unique Buffy comic thread tomorrow. If I see anyone acting the goat there or in future discussions then their posting privileges will be withdrawn for a while.

Simon | December 28, 06:17 CET

Sorry, Simon. Honestly didn't think of this as something to be emailing the mods about. It had crossed my mind in a few recent threads to raise the issue and Dana5140's comment above was the proverbial straw, I guess. Just felt like something that needed to be said rather than anything that required moderation. But no goatlike behaviour intended, promise! ;)

Highlander | December 28, 06:34 CET

Highlander - I have an email address in my profile. If you want me to try to answer some of your points, you can drop me an email so I can reply.

And I've just got to point out the fact that the #39 thread had 261 comments and I hope the next one has even more.

NotaViking | December 28, 07:47 CET

Thanks, NotaViking, but I'm not sure that you really could. It's obvious from your comments in previous threads that nothing I said further up the page was directed toward you. You pretty much always have something new and interesting to say, regardless of whether you are for or against whatever is being talked about. Basically, you still seem to be enjoying the books and discussions a little too much to answer my question. I do appreciate the offer though. :)

Edit: To hide the fact that I apparently didn't know how to spell 'previous' yesterday! Now no one will ever know! ;)

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Highlander | December 28, 08:53 CET

Meant to say this in my first comment above, but I have to agree with IrrationaliTV. Georges really does go out of his way when it comes to answering fan questions. That Q&A alone must have taken a fair amount of time. Shows what a decent bloke he is to make the effort. I really hope that he is involved with one of the Season 9 books, even if it isn't the core Buffy title.

Highlander | December 28, 09:03 CET

yes- I'll miss him if he's not involved in S9, both as an artist and because he really seems to enjoy the fan interactions. I personally think his art has been by far the best of S8, and what a sweetie to do these!

aphasia | December 28, 12:47 CET

YAY! we're talking about the Q&A again(sorta). You're right Georges has to be incredibly patient to do this, but i think he's just that sort of person. He's willing to take some time to do something extra with the fans. I hope he stays on for season nine aswell.

I think it was mentioned before but i really wanna know about the whole Angel and Spike coming through portals. I think on Buffy wikia it says that the Spike that crashes into Big Ben, and the one sitting in the cafe are future and present Spike or something. Is that true, cause i just thought they were the same Spike, and that Scott Allie said there would be no timetravel. and war? what war? what war did Angel loose.

I thought the picture on Twitter was beautiful, if it's Buffy and Willow i think they are just deciding not to fight anymore. I doubt that Willow has forgiven her yet.

@Simon, what's this unique Buffy thread you speak of? Is it something to get excited over?

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Nathan | December 28, 13:32 CET

Tales is out tomorrow, it's kinda must have for any Buffy fans.

Simon | December 28, 14:26 CET

Georges Jeanty certainly leaves big shoes to fill if there's a new artist for Season 9. His Q&As have always been really nice.

Sunfire | December 28, 14:39 CET

Georges has been a real prince, and I've enjoyed working with him on these Q&As. I know there have been a fair number of detractors, but I'm glad that some of you enjoy these.
Whether you like his work or not, he has been more than generous with his time with the fandom. Heck, the guy even helped run an art contest just to make sure that fans didn't feel gipped about a gap month, and to keep fan interest alive.

No, he's not always the most analytical or insightful when it comes to questions about the writing or plot, but then again, those aren't really his forte. His area of expertise is the art, and I think when it comes to questions about things that he knows well, he excels.

wenxina | December 28, 16:55 CET

Tales? i thought that wasn't out until the 12th of January

Nathan | December 28, 23:37 CET