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February 21 2011

20th Century Fox unlikely to sell rights to Firefly says EW's James Hibberd. He mentions that "one insider said he couldn’t think of a case of 20th outright selling the rights to a property". Hibberd also looks at the possibility of rebooting Firefly (depends on some very big ifs).

For anybody who missed it, here's a few of the previous fan campaigns:

There's been FireflySeason2.com - now defunct - previous thread http://whedonesque.com/comments/9347 - which was registered in an address on Fox's lot with somebody claiming to be in contact with joss and the actors to get the rights off Fox. It was unrealistic balls.

There was 2009's MySerenitySequel.com - now defunct - with aimed to collect $50 x 400,000 people.. This is the same math as HelpNathanBuyFirefly.com are using, as it happens.

Also browncoatsriseagain.com - now defunct - previous thread http://whedonesque.com/comments/9309 - which was collecting money via Paypal until one of the producers talked them out of it and got the money returned.

There were also some things called Operation Blue Hands, Operation Full Burn etc.

[ edited by gossi on 2011-02-21 17:29 ]
I'd love nothing more than for Firefly to be brought back in any form, but this is just as unrealistic as all those past attempts. Until I hear some interest from someone at 20th or Universal, or Joss Whedon, then I am not going to get my hopes up.

Although I wonder why 20th don't look at their dvd sales and wonder how they might make some more money off of this clearly growing in popularity potential franchise with a huge built-in fanbase ready to watch and buy whatever they put out. Just saying.
Except I won't watch it if Joss isn't involved.
Some peeps at Fox did ponder that in 2008, AFF.
Are you referring to Firefly on Blu-Ray, gossi? Cause it is pretty shiny. :-)

I still hope that, like Star Trek, some time - and it may be decades - a studio will decide to take the Firefly property and try to make something new with it. While the fanbase is too small to fund something like this, we are always growing in number. There is always a ton of demand that I see at conventions - the Browncoats easily rival any other fan group, and that hasn't died down at all despite the series being cancelled 8 years ago, and the movie leaving theaters over 5 years ago.

And hopefully they choose not to do a crappy reboot without Joss involvement, but something that could be good - even if it's a new series in the same universe like the next generation was.
"Firefly" would actually be a pretty perfect property to test any ongoing viability to the mini-series. I think it's a format that actually can have a big comeback anyway -- so many shows have been doing the 2 hour premiere, 2 hour finale, etc, even faking them out of just running two episodes together ("The Cape" premiere). FOX had gotten into a habit with 24 of basically starting them with a miniseries; back to back two hour nights.

How many people watch those and then maybe don't keep watching as a weekly series, but mostly because they just wanted a good fix?

A "Firefly" 4 hour miniseries as a two night event would be completely epic, IMO. It would sell every damn one of the same amount of DVDs that "Serenity" sold and that the TV boxset sold, you could probably do it for a fraction of the feature film budget. DO EET FOX. Keep giving Nathan money but tell FOX that it's a production budget.
Fillions contract with ABC would probably make his involvment impossible for the forseeable future.
The worst things about these linked articles are the Firefly/Serenity hate comments invariably posted afterwards. I've never understood what's in it for these people besides being the blowfly in the oatmeal. You'd think they would be happier talking about something they actually enjoy. Oh right, there I go being logical again.
If all everybody who bought the Firefly DVD set during its first year of release (500,000 strong, according to one report) declared they were willing to shell out $40 in hopes of resurrecting the franchise as, say, a two-hour TV movie+DVD or something, well, you’d certainly get the studio’s attention.


I'd kick in my $40, and I'd kick in $40 for each of my kids and their kids, and my husband and my sister. And for my best friend who is always broke but manages to support all CSTS funtions. So there is $360 right there. Only $19,999,640 to go.

I would love to have a 4-hour mini-series. Twice a year.
20th Century Fox unlikely to sell rights to Firefly says EW's James Hibberd.


Shocking. I mean, really. Who expected them to, when it costs them nothing to hold onto the rights?

Hibberd also looks at the possibility of rebooting Firefly (depends on some very big ifs).


Can we reboot it with Joss and all the same actors? Otherwise, boo.
And hopefully they choose not to do a crappy reboot without Joss involvement, but something that could be good - even if it's a new series in the same universe like the next generation was.


I could go for a Firefly the Next Generation. If we can't get the original cast back, absolutely. As long as Joss were involved. That's a really good idea I never considered.
ESG, no. The chance of getting back Joss as writer/director + all the cast is about zilch.

I've actually heard of talk about Firefly on DVD (as implied above) back when joss returned to Fox. The only way I could see it being swung would be to ditch the spaceship set, and limit it to a smaller section of the characters (so you could actually get the talent). That's a similar model to the aborted Buffyverse DVDs.

Personally, I wouldn't be interested in Firefly; The Next Generation unless somebody had a really compelling story to justify it. Just because you could, doesn't mean you should. See also: Matrix sequels.

[ edited by gossi on 2011-02-21 19:06 ]
I could go for a Firefly the Next Generation. If we can't get the original cast back, absolutely. As long as Joss were involved. That's a really good idea I never considered.


Plus, like ST:TNG, as they are available the original cast members can make guest appearances. I always felt that the verse was very well-developed and the potential for different stories is at least as enormous as the Star Trek universe. Why not explore another series with new characters?

Gossi, you don't think there are plenty of potential untold stories in the verse? The thing about the cancellation of Firefly that always kills me is how much potential the show never got the chance to fully realize. It was great right off the bat, of course, but there were clearly a lot of great things planned that we never got (and only semi-got in Serenity). I'm sure Joss wouldn't do another series unless he had a story to tell, but I know he was very attached to this universe, and probably has several stories he could tell (him and the other Firefly writers). I don't want a series simply set in the universe - I want a series with the same fantastic writing and characterization and stories that were why I fell in love with Firefly in the first place!

But I do agree, the Matrix sequels were unnecessary.

[ edited by AnotherFireflyfan on 2011-02-21 19:14 ]
Getting people's hopes up never does anyone good. (See: every good canceled show ever) Can't we just appreciate what we have?
Gossi, that's why I said The Next Generation idea would be cool. And I'm not talking about right now. I'm saying ever. In 10, 20 years even. Right now Joss is busy. I'm thinking long term, outside the box. It's something to think about.

Personally, I wouldn't be interested in Firefly; The Next Generation unless somebody had a really compelling story to justify it. Just because you could, doesn't mean you should. See also: Matrix sequels.


You think Joss couldn't come up with a compelling story to justify it? I'm sure if he couldn't, he wouldn't do it. And in this hypothetical concept, I'd be absolutely fine with that. Joss is boss, even in the future where possible Firefly-adjacent stories might wish to be told on the small screen.
Oh, I hadn't realised you meant done far in the future. (We live in a world where BSG's reboot is being rebooted this year).
I really think we should reserve "reboot" for things actually being rebooted, like the Nuffy movie. The new BSG stuff isn't rebooting anything, any more than Caprica was; it's simply more stories in the same Ron Moore reboot.

Meanwhile, re: Firefly, I reiterate my own perspective from the other day.

[ edited by The One True b!X on 2011-02-21 19:37 ]
Anything in the 'verse is fine with me as long as Joss is involved. And I'll help every project that furthers that goal now or in the future.
b!X, Fox/Universal and rights issues kinda sez by default you can't make something particularly small.
Is the BSG reboot reboot still happening?
We don't know what they'd agree to or not agree to if pitched by the actual creative talent. It could be a collection of smaller material, that would then go on to be sold together on DVD with extras. It could be something that hasn't occurred to anyone.

Really, the unspoken part of my argument is that there's a difference between Random Fan Group G crowing about getting the rights, which happens over and over, and The Creative Powers having a proposal of their own to tell some sort of stories, which as far as I know has never happened.

Is there money to be made for the rights holders, that's the only arbiter of what could and could not be made.

Also, to be clear, I'm not arguing the creative powers should make a pitch or proposal, or that they are obligated to. Just that as far as I know they never have. Maybe they all, like Jose Molina, have no interest in telling what they'd view as "lesser" stories because it wasn't a TV show.
Is the BSG reboot reboot still happening?

The continuation of the existing Ron Moore universe is still happening, via another prequel, yes. Although I can't remember if it's actually been picked up for an actual series.
b!X, BSG reboot (they are recasting existing actors and it doesn't have Ron Moore as far as I'm aware) is ordered as a backdoor pilot.

As far as I know nobody who means a thing has never gone to anybody and said 'Lets make a Firefly DVD movie/game/whatever!', other than the comics. Every so often I try to put pressure amongst different companies about the Serenifly video game rights, as I think that would be a really great world to place people in the story if done well... But, eh, video game rights? Not cheap. In fact they're actually really bloody expensive, it turns out.

[ edited by gossi on 2011-02-21 20:17 ]
What of that planned Firefly MMO that we haven't heard about in forever? Wouldn't they still have the video game rights?
Multiverse picked up some Firefly MMO rights, then couldn't develop it. Then they licensed Buffy. Now I think they went quietly bust.
Oh, okay, I knew about BSG's Blood and Chrome happening. I thought I missed the news that the long-rumored-in-development total reboot (I think with Bryan Singer involved) was actually happening. Thanks for clearing that up.
Tonya J:
The worst things about these linked articles are the Firefly/Serenity hate comments invariably posted afterwards. I've never understood what's in it for these people besides being the blowfly in the oatmeal. You'd think they would be happier talking about something they actually enjoy.

Funny, I said the same thing about the Season H8ters who show up in every single thread to repeat the same 2 or 3 comments for the 10e100th time. The conclusion I've come to is that the blowfly thing is what's in it for these people.
I can't even imagine a single scenario in which 20th would sell the rights to Firefly. Not one. They might license out the rights to do a web thingy or an animated thingy as they do the rights for the comic book to Dark Horse. They have no incentive to sell the rights to the franchise and lots of incentives to keep it even if they never intend to ever make another frame of anything in the 'verse. You never know what will be valuable 10, 20 or 30 years from now. Might be Prison Break and it might be Firefly. 20th won't sell either one.

Can someone now make all this go away? And we should all thank James Hibberd for being so nice (he didn't have to be) and not making all Firefly fans look like a bunch of nutjobs. Thanks, James!
I just found out that Nathan likes fried chicken! I am going to start HelpNathanBuyFriedChicken.com later and I hope everyone will pledge their money!

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