"It doesn't matter, it will still be there. Waiting."
February 24
2011
Nathan Fillion tweets about Firefly movement.
Captain Tightpants wants you to save your money.
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Shapenew | February 24, 21:16 CET
racheltng | February 24, 21:35 CET
Giles_314 | February 24, 22:13 CET
I don't envy him.
[ edited by The One True b!X on 2011-02-25 07:19 ]
@theonetruebix | February 24, 22:19 CET
Giles_314 | February 24, 22:51 CET
Careless.
grrarg | February 24, 23:08 CET
Simon | February 24, 23:11 CET
1. Steal underpants
2. ?
3. More Firefly
Problem solved. You're welcome.
QuoterGal | February 24, 23:19 CET
@theonetruebix | February 24, 23:19 CET
[Please gods, don't let anyone take this idea seriously!]
RayHill | February 24, 23:36 CET
gossi | February 25, 01:56 CET
Nicely handled from El Fillione, as you'd expect.
Saje | February 25, 01:59 CET
Simon | February 25, 02:29 CET
Simon was talking about this on Twitter last night, one thing this campaign is showing is how fandom is changing. My take - with social media, anybody can launch something, whereas in previous years there was a barrier to entry. You could argue good or bad points to that.
[ edited by gossi on 2011-02-25 11:57 ]
gossi | February 25, 02:51 CET
It seems to me that any publicity is good, and that those fans didn't do anything wrong; they didn't ask for money, they didn't pretend they were representing Nathan or Joss. They were not enemies, and nobody won.
I welcome that initiative because it made a lot of people talk about bringing Firefly back. In a few months, if "The Avengers" is successful, Joss may have a lot more leverage than today; that's not to say something will happen, but that kind of publicity cannot be bad.
Ragondux | February 25, 06:06 CET
Re: gloating though, who here is ? I understand Simon, as a moderator, feeling the need to head any unpleasantness off at the pass but let's not, by talking about it as if it's real, give solidity to something I haven't seen much, if any, evidence of.
Saje | February 25, 06:51 CET
gossi | February 25, 07:23 CET
zeitgeist | February 25, 07:29 CET
Bringing all this new wave of enthusiasm to existing projects that have been years in the creating is definitely something we want to focus heavily on.
We've reached out to the Browncoats: Redemption staff to talk with them about ways we can use all the attention to help their goals. We'll make sure to reach out to CSTS as well.
As far as directing people to local Browncoat groups, is there a 'Find my nearest' central resource we link people to?
HelpNathanBuyFF | February 25, 07:37 CET
[ edited by gossi on 2011-02-25 16:42 ]
gossi | February 25, 07:41 CET
What, and leave the safety of the enclosure ? ;)
Fair enough and as I say, totally understandable. Reckon it's just worth us all taking care not to preemptively blame anyone here for what happens elsewhere.
Saje | February 25, 07:56 CET
[ edited by gossi on 2011-02-25 17:03 ]
gossi | February 25, 08:02 CET
(and I don't think that's irrational, lint can be bloody vicious)
Saje | February 25, 08:40 CET
HelpNathanBuyFF | February 25, 08:43 CET
Simon | February 25, 08:53 CET
gossi | February 25, 08:57 CET
electricspacegirl | February 25, 08:57 CET
A central website answering the question "What can I do?" which points to CSTS, KNTR, the comics & RPG & Still Flying, Browncoat Ball, and local Browncoats groups and charities (knitting Jayne hats, etc) sounds like a great idea. The old Firefly: IA site served as a resource in this way before I let it die, and it's clear that there's still an audience for that kind of thing. I'm gonna sit on this and let it percolate in my head for a day or two and see if I can't come up with something.
Kiba | February 25, 09:19 CET
In my experience the local groups are using all kinds of web and social media platforms. If you're willing, you could create a list of active groups on your blog by asking your followers on Facebook and elsewhere to chime in with their local group information. It'd take some work to sort and organize the information to post in a useful way, plus some web formatting. I expect you could find some very web savvy fans to help you with the coding part. Better organization of fans would be a nice outcome of all this in my opinion. You could become of the hub of Browncoat news and information with the kind of audience you've built up so quickly.
Sunfire | February 25, 09:21 CET
[ edited by gossi on 2011-02-25 18:25 ]
gossi | February 25, 09:23 CET
@theonetruebix | February 25, 09:28 CET
[ edited by gossi on 2011-02-25 18:31 ]
gossi | February 25, 09:30 CET
@theonetruebix | February 25, 09:41 CET
Another observation - there isn't even an archive of Joss and Nathan's posts from SerenityMovie.com online any more. Also Universal have deleted the whole of SerenityMovie.com, so all that is gone too. I ponder if fans of new would like to see that stuff.
gossi | February 25, 09:44 CET
Ragondux | February 25, 09:50 CET
[ edited by gossi on 2011-02-25 18:52 ]
gossi | February 25, 09:52 CET
HelpNathanBuyFF | February 25, 09:54 CET
gossi | February 25, 09:56 CET
Yes, there is a fan-editable list of the various local browncoat groups. Most of the other sections haven't been updated in a long while, but the local groups list is still pretty useful.
http://bigdamnboard.com/websites/groups/
At some point, I'm planning on rebuilding the site into Drupal 7 and extending the functionality to be a resource hub for multiple fandoms. But work's keeping me pretty busy, so that will probably be a summer project.
RayHill | February 25, 10:17 CET
gossi | February 25, 10:21 CET
@theonetruebix | February 25, 10:23 CET
I hope your server is stronger than ours is. ;)
HelpNathanBuyFF | February 25, 10:25 CET
gossi | February 25, 10:28 CET
Group Name - No-longer-working URL
____________________________________________________________
Alamo City Browncoats - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlamoCityBrowncoats
Indiana (Hoosier) Browncoats - http://jerrygordon.net/indybrowncoats/
Arizona Browncoats - http://www.arizonabrowncoats.com
Browncoats.nl - http://www.browncoats.nl
Can't Stop The Serenity - Australia & New Zealand - http://www.cstsanz.com/
Chicagoland Browncoats - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chicagofirefly
Columbia Browncoats - [no url]
Dallas Browncoats - http://www.dallasbrowncoats.com/
Eugene Browncoats - http://groups.yahoo.com/eugenebrowncoats/
Fort Worth Browncoats - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fortworthbrowncoats/
High Desert Browncoats - http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/HighDesertBrowncoats
Michigan Browncoats - http://www.michiganbrowncoats.com/
Norwegian Browncoat Forum - http://browncoatsnorge.proboards50.com/
Norwegian Browncoats Site - http://www.browncoats-norge.net/
Rochester Browncoats - http://groups.myspace.com/RochesterBrowncoats
Russian Browncoats - http://www.fire-fly.ru/
Sacramento Browncoats - http://www.sacbrowncoats.com
Seattle Shindig! - http://www.eskimo.com/~lsstrout/
Seattle Shindigs & Jobs - http://www.geocities.com/protoreaver [RIP geocities]
Southern Nevada Browncoats - http://groups.myspace.com/Sihnon
Tampa Bay Browncoats - http://www.tbbrowncoats.org
Western New York Browncoats (MySpace) - http://groups.myspace.com/wnybrowncoats
RayHill | February 25, 10:41 CET
This here.
What we do when we get an idea, or when we move on to the next thing. This round-up of Serenifly-related groups is a very good and much-needed endeavor - and this Browncoat's thanks to all involved, including HelpNathanBuyFF and friends...
BTW, in case anyone wonders, I would never gloat - and I don't like to harshen anyone's buzz anymore than is necessary to speak my truth, as they say... and mebbe amuse myself just a leetle.
I'm not a fan of pissin' on anyone's parade... nor of lint, neither. (And after a certain recent horrible pet horror story, not of spiders, for the moment.)
*shiver*
*checks shirt for spiders - and lint...*
QuoterGal | February 25, 12:05 CET
HelpNathanBuyFF | February 25, 12:07 CET
RayHill | February 25, 12:27 CET
RayHill, re: browncoats.nl. I was head-moderator of the forum there; I think it's simply off-line (probably for good). It died a slow death after Serenity, when people slowly but surely migrated back into English language fandom after the initial rush and excitement of our pre-screening of the movie and red carpet premiere in Amsterdam. Too bad too, we even had a Nathan VIP post from back in the day, which has now died a digital death. Plus, we used to be the official Dutch movie site, credited by the distributor over here, which I always felt was special. I enjoyed the heck out of the experience, but I didn't even know it had officially died till I saw your post there, which says enough about our activity level for the last year or two. Sorry to see it has gone.
GVH | February 25, 12:50 CET
I ran a competition on there, gave away 5 copies of Serenity on DVD around christmas. Made a handful of Browncoats very happy.
Good times.
VaughnOfTheDead | February 25, 13:02 CET
RayHill | February 25, 13:54 CET
*cough*
[ edited by Jaymii on 2011-02-25 23:17 ]
Jaymii | February 25, 14:15 CET
RayHill | February 25, 15:40 CET
@theonetruebix | February 25, 15:44 CET
Jaymii | February 25, 15:54 CET
gossi | February 25, 16:07 CET
redeem147 | February 25, 16:48 CET
And welcome to all the new lurkers! I expect we'll get a pretty big influx of members on the next holiday. :) New blood keeps the fandom going, if not growing, and those of us who are johnny-come-lately's would do well to remember what it's like to be the new guy in town.
cabri | February 25, 19:34 CET
And I got a fansite up on Christmas Day. I probably wouldn't do that for a new show these days. The optimism of youth is a thing I've passed on to others...
There are quite a few Browncoats groups on Meetup.com as well.
Kiba | February 25, 21:00 CET
http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=browncoats
Anonymous1 | February 25, 21:47 CET
http://bigdamnboard.com/websites/groups/
Yes! That's the site I remember. Except that the link for PDX Browncoats is outdated and instead of the yahoo group which is rarely used anymore, it should linked to the official PDX Browncoats website.
electricspacegirl | February 25, 21:57 CET
http://community.livejournal.com/firefly_signal/
(thanks for the tweet, firefly_signal).
Simon | February 25, 23:15 CET
- LJ link bookmarked to sift through when it's not midnight.
- Self chastised for not getting the batman reference.
Still hoping HNBF will answer the anonymity question.
RayHill | February 26, 00:15 CET
So, here's what I suggest. I think we've done something like this before, but now we have some pretty serious numbers being thrown around. I suggest we have an international buy Firefly and Serenity for your local library day. That way, anyone who wanted to contribute would be promoting the cause and making a charitable donation at the same time. We'd be doing good deeds and performing orchestrated, countable actions. We could set it up so that everyone would buy from the same online store (amazon, best buy, whatever). You could buy just one, or more than one, or whatever. I got this idea from Nathan's tweet responding to a girl asking, what can we do to help? He said something like I always like to buy my hosts a gift. Get them a DVD box set. So, maybe that's what we should do? Let them eat DVD box sets.
Worst case scenario, there's never anymore Firefly. Best case scenario, anyone who wants to try Firefly would be able to check it out at a library. And if the libraries don't want them, we'll find somebody that does. We could donate them to all kinds of charities, including charities that send movies to soldiers overseas. There's all kinds of potential. And now there are almost 90,000 of us. If everybody bought just one DVD box set or copy of serenity, and some people bought more than one, we'd have a huge jump in sales. A noticeable jump. One that may put Firefly on a best seller list somewhere. That's tangible evidence that people want it.
I hope HNBF doesn't close down their Facebook page, we may need that to communicate with this huge group of people in the future. Even if it's just to tell them where else they can go.
Thanks, Help Nathan Fillion Buy Firefly. I for one believe that you've got the fire going again, and at the end of the day, that's what matters.
xMadxScientistx | February 26, 00:23 CET
Kiba | February 26, 05:07 CET
gossi | February 26, 05:17 CET
We know that we've just struck the right chord at the right moment, but you're the folks that have sustained the community over a decade.
HelpNathanBuyFF | February 26, 07:25 CET
I'm glad to see the positivity, and if there is a campaign of donating that arises out of these conversations, I hope whoever organizes it will consider iGive to buy DVDs or other items (if an even wider net is thrown) to raise even more money.
Tonya J | February 26, 09:47 CET
I can't even find that group.
ETA: never mind, I think it's just named something else.
[ edited by The One True b!X on 2011-02-26 19:14 ]
@theonetruebix | February 26, 10:11 CET
I can't even find that group.
ETA: never mind, I think it's just named something else.
Yeah, posting before tea - not so good. It's Bring Back Firefly.
HelpNathanBuyFF | February 26, 10:36 CET
I also wonder if Fillion is just pretending to like Firefly because that is cheap when there is no chance of any new episode, but if there suddenly were that would be an embarrassment now that he has finally found a successful show not in immediate danger of being canceled.
Hunted | February 26, 16:36 CET
cabri | February 26, 20:08 CET
Huhwha?
@theonetruebix | February 26, 22:04 CET
Yes, that's right. The unthinking, unquestioning supporters of HNBF are now suddenly devout skeptics.
The fustercluck continues.
[ edited by The One True b!X on 2011-02-27 07:13 ]
@theonetruebix | February 26, 22:11 CET
ooops! I ruined my flounce but, this was too much to resist.
[ edited by IrrationaliTV on 2011-02-27 07:31 ]
IrrationaliTV | February 26, 22:26 CET
This is all so bloody sad... but kinda predictable when you whip up all these supporters hither and yon, without a real plan, transparency, or much of anything for your supporters to do.
Picture this gigantic hall, where a huge green phantasmagorical head is talking, while behind the green curtain...
Only you've asked *thousands* of hopeful fans to join you there, and then have them sit & basically ask them to twiddle their thumbs, and call their friends to join them.
And then Glinda (Nate ; > ) sends a message to say that's nice, but notsomuch, but the big old phantasmagorical head says, "Don't leave... and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain... I still have nothing for you to do, but buy this DVD."
He might be a very good man, but he's a very bad wizard...
My analogy is breaking down, but of course the natives are getting restless, and so they get cranky and turn on each other - and the self-styled wizard.
QuoterGal | February 27, 00:13 CET
ooops! I ruined my flounce but, this was too much to resist.
But it was official !
Saje | February 27, 01:40 CET
However, I just want to say that my heart breaks for all the Firefly fans, both new and old, who have come out in droves to support this movement.
I know that EVERY SINGLE person who frequents Whedonesque would love to see Joss bring Firefly back in some format, whether it be on the web, or a movie, or a new season. Some have left comments saying we should stop being so negative and to stay positive because Browncoats are mighty...
YES. We are mighty. Our fandom has done amazing things in the last ten years. CSTS has raised thousands of dollars for charities near and dear to Joss and the rest of the cast. We have bought the merchandise, the DVDs, the comics...
But we are not being negative. We are being realistic. We have all seen the many fan movements, both real and the scams, over the years. We truly want what is best for Firefly. We want to support whatever Joss has in mind, even if what he wants is to put it behind him and move on (I am not saying that is the case).
I love the enthusiasm Browncoats have. I love our fandom so much. Perhaps I am biased, but I believe we have the best fandom there is.
I don't claim to know what HNBF's intentions are. They could be wonderful people who love Firefly as much as us, who just got in over their heads.
I also can see from the POV of all the people who are feeling angry and betrayed and posting as such over on their website.
I do think HNBF needs to do some damage control, though. They still refuse to say who they are, they have not posted a definitive plan for this movement, and I am scared that by saying Browncoats: Redemption is sanctioned by Joss and Fox that they may be starting to mislead people.
I was hoping after Nathan's tweet this situation was going to die down, but there are so many fans that are feeling very betrayed and hurt right now, and the HNBF people are not communicating with them and trying to resolve this problem.
I just worry this effort may hurt the fandom. My heart goes out to each person who is feeling hurt and betrayed right now. We have all been there.
I also just want to say that I love my fellow Whedonesquers. You are like a second family to me, and I applaud your efforts to get the facts out there and to educate the new fans to be cautious without trying to dampen their spirits. I especially want to thank B!X for being diligent and posting the facts on HNBF's website to minimize the fallout.
I noticed in the comments on the HNBF website that the person who did the fan film says they have to report every quarter to Fox on how much they make for the charities...does anyone know if this is true? They make it out to sound like every cent goes to charity, but their own website says, "A portion of the proceeds will go in equal amounts to these five charities..." A portion? Does that mean they get to keep some of the money? It seems like B:R/HNBF is implying all the money goes to charity and they don't get any of it, so it's not a scam. Does anyone know anything about this?
deanna_lynne | February 27, 01:45 CET
And Saje: ; >
I always think I should start a blog called "My Analogy is Breaking Down" because they always do.
In fact, I've been known for my Bad Analogies - though granted, the form has its built-in limitations.
But seriously, this whole thing is a shame... I'm of the opinion that HNBF might now want to consider introducing themselves and bow gracefully out of the rights-buying business, and focus their not-inconsiderable energies to some other do-able fan endeavor - one that doesn't involve recruitment and funds, at least for a hefty chunk of time.
Since Nathan doesn't want the rights bought for him, and the rights are *not* in fact going to be fan-bought, the campaign's name and thrust just seem... well, anti-climatic. And there is, I think, no one good focus for all that well-meaning-but-misguided collective fan energy that can be "slipped in" at this point.
I do believe the well-known fat lady hath sung... in that ship that's already sailed, and so on...
QuoterGal | February 27, 02:14 CET
Yeah, I agree with you and Deanna_Lynne QG, damage control and bowing out gracefully/finding other avenues make more sense now, just a pity that rather than being usefully directed (or even just fizzling out) the energy appears to be warping into something potentially ugly. It's the flip-side of that fast-response you (rightfully) praise above - when folk swing fast one way they can swing fast the other too.
Saje | February 27, 02:28 CET
Little bit of that, yup. Who could guess a random WP site for a long-shot notion based off a off-hand joke would generate 100,000 people watching every word? And then disregarding half of them? Naive, but not malicious.
That's the goal today, putting the new plan online. Folks aren't going to like it (if even 10% of them actually read it and understand) - the original idea was buy the rights if Nathan Fillion was serious. Obviously, he's not, nor would Fox be interested. ANY new plan, even if it were to hand out hugs and puppies and free booze, is going to tick off ten to ninety nine thousand people.
That's what Michael Dougherty said to us. Since he's not anonymous (*cough*) and obviously part of something that has taken years of effort, we gave him more trust than any folks would give us. If you'd like more about the validity of their project, they have the capability of answering to that better than we have. We were convinced.
On anonymous, y'all deserve at least an answer as to "why?"
For starters, the primary starter behind all this promised his wife he'd never do anything that would have reporters at the door. We came scary close, with all the media attention - we had interviews via email with CNN. If names were public, who's to say that local reporters wouldn't have stopped by?
The second reason is professional - we live in an age where people lookup the history of others online as a matter of course, especially in business. Having our names associated with this well-meaning fan movement could have some harm long-term professionally, might not. The theory was "stay anonymous, and if it gets serious, not just the Facebook equivalent of an online petition, we'll unmask".
The third reason was the long-shot factor. Even if Nathan Fillion was not joking, how much of a long shot is Fox selling the rights or even licensing them? As demonstrated, even hinting that the purchase might not be possible produces some degree of rage. We like that, if this does blow up very very badly, it's not going to follow us for years. We haven't taken any money from anyone, but we'd live in the Annals with Ace Underhill.
So, for right this second, we continue to point folks to existing groups that have years of effort in the Firefly 'verse that have asked us to. Hopefully, that good work will balance out against people having lost hope for the long-shot we started with.
HelpNathanBuyFF | February 27, 05:43 CET
Thank you for clearing up some of our questions. :)
I agree that at this point the best thing for you to do is minimize fallout, explain your intentions to the fans on your site, and bow out as gracefully as possible.
The potential for this to get even uglier is very high - but less so if you really explain the situation to the group over on your site. I can see them getting louder and more suspicious if you don't communicate with them.
I know several of them are feeling like there wasn't enough communication, the pledging system was never put up, etc. NOW is definitely not the time to remain silent.
I don't envy your job right now and good luck to you. I hope this all ends as well as can be expected. I also hope something positive can come out of all this. So many of these fans have so much enthusiasm...I hope it can be redirected to do what Browncoats do best - to share Firefly with the world and to support good causes like Equality Now...or even just to share that spirit of giving to any charity.
Be sure to let people over there know about the annual CSTS events. It's a great way to keep Firefly alive forever and to give to charity.
deanna_lynne | February 27, 07:46 CET
If you want to run a fan campaign, it's all about press. Since press is what Fox read. If you don't want reporters turning up or fans Googling your names, bow out.
[ edited by gossi on 2011-02-27 16:59 ]
gossi | February 27, 07:57 CET
Even now, our above comments have triggered a wave of emails asking us not to give up. Tiger riding at it's finest. Can't blame the folks being amused by our predicament.
HelpNathanBuyFF | February 27, 07:58 CET
Well, hopefully Mike can come speak to that. Understandably, he's asked me to let their team manage any questions about it, rather than rely on us to speak for them (hence his replying to any questions on our blog about their project, not us). He did give us a list of links to share on it which we will be doing in a few hours. You can also email him directly, miked { at } browncoatsmovie.com
HelpNathanBuyFF | February 27, 08:03 CET
It is sort of the price of admission.
Re: Redemption, my understanding on the Joss thing was that he blessed the project but has said nothing since that early blessing. Redemption's own site says that specifically. I'm a little concerned HNBF makes it seem as if Fox is somehow actively monitoring Redemption like it's some sort of trial balloon, when I think it's more a case of they require regular financial proof that it's not being used for profit.
It was my opinion from the start that HNBF's anonymous "hey kids let's put on a show" approach put them in over their heads. I now fear that this continuing approach to things risks damaging any other fan efforts they mention, just by the implied association.
Course correction and helping to steer fans toward productive outlets is good. This first example of how HNBF attempts to do so is just something of another mess.
@theonetruebix | February 27, 08:08 CET
gossi | February 27, 08:16 CET
@theonetruebix | February 27, 08:29 CET
gossi | February 27, 08:31 CET
@theonetruebix | February 27, 08:33 CET
gossi | February 27, 08:33 CET
(It reads weird in that last bit, but presumably that became irrelevant once Universal signed off on letting them do it.)
@theonetruebix | February 27, 08:37 CET
[ edited by gossi on 2011-02-27 17:41 ]
gossi | February 27, 08:40 CET
@theonetruebix | February 27, 08:49 CET
It's a nice little project, but I still think pointing fans at it to buy as a way of bringing back Firefly is problematic.
gossi | February 27, 08:53 CET
Joss gave an early blessing - which is not the same thing as an endorsement.
HNBF - you need to understand why the people over on your site are feeling frustrated and betrayed right now. It's not just that you were silent for a day...your site has been up for OVER A WEEK and you said you would have a pledging system up within a few days. They all have commented several times over there asking why it isn't up yet. They keep pointing out that you need to be doing things quicker while attention is still on your movement.
You did go a few days last week with no comments. Yesterday you left a very sarcastic comment on your FB page about all the people feeling like the DVD idea was a scam. That pissed off a bunch of people, too.
You don't need to wait until you have a plan to post on your site. These people will feel much better just knowing something about what is going on behind the scenes.
JUST SAY SOMETHING.
If you have no more plans to do anything in regards to buying the rights or taking pledges, JUST SAY THAT.
deanna_lynne | February 27, 08:54 CET
One thing with the wider Firefly fan base is, in the context of making more, you'll hear "we do the impossible!" and "can't stop the signal" said a lot. In the context of the show, both aren't true. In the context of the fandom, both are true. The signal isn't the show. That's dead. The signal is the love of the show.
[ edited by gossi on 2011-02-27 18:04 ]
gossi | February 27, 09:03 CET
FWIW the Redemption site specifically states that Joss has made no comment on the film since that blessing. (The blessing letter is being trotted out now as part of the reaction on the HNBF post questioning the fan film's legitimacy.)
@theonetruebix | February 27, 09:05 CET
I am not saying HNBF needs to post some huge in detail plan or anything. I am just saying it would be a good idea for them to say something. The continued silence on their part is making the natives restless. The comments are getting nasty over there. People are throwing accusations every which way - at HNBF, at B: R, at each other. Whatever plan they may have is going to be moot pretty soon. I don't like to see the in-fighting, the anger...but I understand the frustration. Any momentum for ANY PLAN is falling apart.
People want to know if they are doing a pledge system. I don't see why HNBF can't say whether they plan on it or not.
Gossi - I also agree with you that they need to be careful how they approach the fans with whatever plan they may be trying to implement. This whole situation is already blowing up in their faces. But would it really harm the movement to just reiterate they are working on a plan? Half the suspicion the people are feeling has to do with the lack of communication. I think HNBF realizes by now that they approached this movement perhaps from the wrong angle. Would it be so bad to admit that and ask their supporters for ideas on a new way to go about this? Someone admitting they made a mistake seems like a refreshingly honest approach.
B!X - I am glad the B: R website specifically states that Joss has said no comment on the project since his early blessing; however, the post the HNBF people put up regarding buying the DVDs is misleading at worst, and worded horribly at best. Whether that was an honest mistake on their part or if they posted that because they were just believing what the folks over there told them doesn't matter. Quite a few people became suspicious and angry over it. I understand the folks at B: R asked to take questions regarding the idea instead of the HNBF people. That's all well and good, except that from the comments over there, that has just made people more upset and suspicious. I am not privy to how FOX or Universal thinks. I don't have a degree in business or PR, so I might be completely off base here,and if so, I apologize. However, I would think it would be in the best interests of HNBF if they were to address the situation and cleared up the misunderstanding with their supporters.
I probably made no sense whatsoever in this, my second long and rambling post, so i apologize for that. :) Feel free to tell me how naive and off base I am regarding every single one of my statements/ideas. I can take it. ;) I guess I just feel like the world would be easier for everyone if people just tried to be honest about everything. See? Very naive. :)
deanna_lynne | February 27, 10:23 CET
IrrationaliTV | February 27, 10:31 CET
Their fires were stoked by an unrealistic campaign by anonymous people, who have now (as far as supporters can tell) turned around to do something else, but they haven't explained what that something else is, and in the meantime anonymously told everyone to go buy DVDs from some other group.
I'd be skeptical, too. But, again, it all rests with the HNBF organizers. They set up wrong to begin with, did it anonymously, and now it's exploding in their faces because they are poorly managing the supposed re-conception after poorly managing the original unrealistic idea.
I don't actually mean or intend to keep ranting. I was quite ready, after Nathan's tweet, to have us all move into some sort of kumbaya phase and try to do something constructive with the momentum. But we went from HNBF's piss-poor original idea to Nathan shooting it down to HNBF completely mis-managing the aftermath of that.
@theonetruebix | February 27, 10:36 CET
I've been reading the overall website, and the About page still has people today - right now - commenting saying they pledge money and asking Nathan for his Paypal details.
In the words of Liz Lemon: shut it down.
[ edited by gossi on 2011-02-27 19:39 ]
gossi | February 27, 10:39 CET
@theonetruebix | February 27, 10:40 CET
In an earlier post here, the HNBF people stated that they just posted what the B: R people told them. I don't necessarily know if this is true, but Mike from B: R did post several times in the comments, and I certainly didn't see him say that it was a misunderstanding and it WAS NOT, in fact, sanctioned by all parties involved. So yes, it may seem like lunacy and laughable to us, but the newer fans will take it as fact. It really saddens me what this whole thing is doing to us.
I, too, believe it would be nice if everyone could move past this unfortunate event. Unfortunately, this situation really is doing much more harm than good for the fandom as a whole. I don't really know what I, or any of us, can do to help repair the damage already done, and I know it's not really our problem to fix, but at the same time, it kind of is because it affects every one of us, the fans.
In the end, no matter how innocent HNBF's intentions were for this movement, the blow up is threatening to send ripples through the fandom for some time. I would hate to see irreparable damage done to the noble efforts of Browncoats worldwide.
I implore the HNBF people to PLEASE try to minimize the damage and to fix what they can before it's too late. Please just swallow your pride, admit you made a mistake, and apologize for any grief, pain, or unintended misleading you have caused the fandom.
I would really like to wake up tomorrow and find that we are all able to move on to something new and less dramatic to talk about. I really hate drama.
deanna_lynne | February 27, 11:08 CET
Redemption is a notation in a legal spreadsheet that no one ever sees. It is only there so that records can be found if 20th ever feels the need to sue. No one is taking notice.
IrrationaliTV | February 27, 11:18 CET
http://helpnathanbuyfirefly.com/the-pledge-system-and-100k/
Let it die.
Simon | February 27, 11:23 CET
I agree, that's just getting the fans hopes up for nothing. It's just cruel. it really is.
deanna_lynne | February 27, 11:33 CET
http://helpnathanbuyfirefly.com/the-pledge-system-and-100k/
Let it die.
Especially since the HNBF admin has already realized it's false hope. So why are they creating a pledge system when they know 20th won't sell the rights? This is insane.
electricspacegirl | February 27, 12:10 CET
[ edited by gossi on 2011-02-27 21:21 ]
gossi | February 27, 12:16 CET
This new stunt makes me think HNBF just couldn't handle the idea of apologizing for misleading people and explaining that things just got out of control, such as I and several other people here suggested they do.
I was hoping this was gonna die down sooner rather than later and the damage would be minimal. Unfortunately, it seems I was wrong on both accounts. :(
deanna_lynne | February 27, 12:23 CET
IrrationaliTV | February 27, 12:26 CET
@theonetruebix | February 27, 12:28 CET
Not only has this the very real and unsettling chance of ending/failing badly, but also the chance to harm the enthusiasm of the fandom. Not so much those of us who already know the facts and accept them as they are, but the vast majority of HNBF's supporters are either on the newer side of the fandom or have just recently discovered the online side of things. It's amazing just how many of them have left comments stating they were unaware there had been previous efforts to revive the franchise.
deanna_lynne | February 27, 12:58 CET
Call me An Elitist Douche, but I think it's beyond time to pull the plug on this doomed effort - doomed for so many reasons - and let it die with dignity. And then we can all say with relief "... and scene."
Or in the words of almost everyone I know in the Fandom of Brown: "No, no, no, no, no, no, :headdesk: :headdesk: no."
I would like to see us retain some credibility for the other work - CSTS, KNTR, etc. - we do.
QuoterGal | February 27, 13:39 CET
Going to see what a couple days total looks like, just because there are 100,000 people who want to know.
Simon, apologies to you and yours for swiping at the site in general. This has been almost exclusively a home to discussions of how HNBF is going to ruin everything for everyone forever, so it has been tough to try to find positive ways to move forward.
HelpNathanBuyFF | February 27, 13:53 CET
IrrationaliTV | February 27, 14:02 CET
Well there's this up on the page:
This is not legally binding. You can't SEND us this money. Nathan hasn't said he'd do anything with this. Joss hasn't said he'd do anything with this. Fox hasn't said they'd do anything with this. Universal has not said they'd do anything with this.
We're just finding out, how much is Firefly worth to 100,000 fans - if we could bring it all back with just our wallets.
So hopefully that'd cover it.
HelpNathanBuyFF | February 27, 14:09 CET
Nice inaccurate victimization spin, that.
@theonetruebix | February 27, 14:11 CET
I'm not being negative on this for fun. This is the 5th big fan attempt at reviving the franchise or buying the rights. They've all ended badly. At the minute the site and all branding is still called "Help Nathan Buy Firefly". You haven't mentioned to people what Nathan himself said. And you're getting pledges for buying the rights.
gossi | February 27, 14:12 CET
IrrationaliTV | February 27, 14:12 CET
I'll disable commenting on this thread for a while so things can settle down.
Simon | February 27, 14:14 CET