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March 21 2011

Still Flying - an interview with Tim Minear part 2. In which Tim shares his thoughts on Dr Horrible, the shows he has worked on and more.

Great interview, although if I must nitpick (and apparently I must) "lightening" != "lightning". I'm almost afraid to look up Chicago Code's ratings as I've been enjoying it quite a bit as I did Terriers before it.
Computer says... not stellar. Fingers crossed.

Always liked the way Tim tells it like it is, good interview (also, i've noted this before but man, his approach to cancellation is healthy, so healthy it feels kind of unhealthy. Being that healthy can't possibly be good for you ;).
Great interview, both the interviewer (for being knowledgeable and asking the right questions) and the interviewee (for delivering excellent insightful answers, and having a really great attitude towards the interview [light and joking, but also serious]). How many shows has poor Tim had cancelled now? I'm counting at least 6.

1. Firefly (11 aired, 14 produced, dvd)
2. Wonderfalls (4 aired, 13 produced, dvd)
3. The Inside (7 aired, 13 produced, NO dvd :-( )
4. Drive (4 aired, 6 produced, NO dvd and no resolution)
5. Dollhouse (25 aired, 26 produced, dvds)
6. Terriers (13 aired, 13 produced, dvd?)

I agree with Tim's assessment. When he gets to tell a 13 episode encapsulated story and then go make another great story, that's a positive outcome of the cancellations. If any of those shows lived for many seasons, we wouldn't have gotten some of the later awesome shows that he's made. I still hope he gets a successful show, though. His talents go unappreciated by the mainstream, I have no idea why his work can't get an audience, even when he does genres that are typically successful (The Inside).

EDIT: Apparently Strange World, which I haven't heard of before, is another one he was on that got cancelled. 3 eps aired, according to Wikipedia, but 13 were produced and it had a resolution, but has yet to see DVD. All aired on Sci-Fi. Anyone know if it's worth hunting down the eps?

[ edited by AnotherFireflyfan on 2011-03-21 17:48 ]
I'm sure it's worth it, AFF, as it's the same creative team that did The Inside (Tim, obviously, and Howard Gordon). But I don't know that it's possible--after I watched The Inside I went on a hunt and found no more than three episodes, sadly, none of them in order.
For the angriest person Joss Whedon has ever met, Tim Minear seems to be pretty calm about things like cancellation, which tend to make a lot of people furious. Maybe Joss usually only meets non-angry people, or maybe Tim Minear only gets angry about unexpected things, like Druids? :)
A lot of shows get cancelled, Shapenew. In fact, nearly all of them. I mean, unless you're on NBC. Truth is, most of the TV peeps I've met aren't too bitter about their shows getting cancelled(*), as they're too busy on the next thing.

(*) Although I'm still bitter about Firefly.
Cancellation doesn't suck so much as premature cancellation. Every show must end sometime. (I'm still amazed at the fan outcry when Stargate SG1 got cancelled - after living for 10 seasons on two separate networks and spawning a spin-off at that point, or anyone that says Buffy got cancelled). Cancelled isn't even always the most accurate term. I think cancelled shows are when they shut down production before finishing the season (like Firefly or Drive). Many other shows just don't get renewed for another season.
PM: How does it feel to know that academics are not only noticing your work but sometimes teaching it to their students?

TM: Itís kind of surreal, but itís flattering. And I donít understand why theyíre not emailing me and asking me to come speak [both laugh]!


Silly Tim! We don't want to talk to you, we want to talk about you. ;)

Now I'm imagining Joss Whedon speaking at the university course I took that focused on BtVS and that would've been awesome. I'm trying to figure out how that would be best integrated into a course. As a fan of reader response, I'm a little bit in love with the idea of the author just sitting in the class and engaging in a debate with the fans about what it all means. Authorial Intent vs. Reader Response live battle. That'd be really cool. (God, I'm a nerd.)
Well there's always video-conferencing. That could work in a class room.
I actually just did an internet thing with Missouri State University last week, which was loads of fun.
gossi, I'm aware that all TV shows get canceled at some point - unless they're "Lost," and negotiate an end point ahead of time - but except for "Angel" and arguably "Dollhouse," and I fervently hope "Chicago Code" - Mr. Minear's shows seem to get canceled prematurely. Now, at the time Mr. Minear first met Mr. Whedon, this hadn't started happening yet, so that of course wouldn't be what he was angry about then. I maintain (to the tune of "Bunnies") druids, it must be druids ...
I actually just did an internet thing with Missouri State University last week, which was loads of fun.


Two thoughts: 1) AWESOME and 2) Wish I was there to see it.

I don't suppose they recorded it. Am I going to have to enroll at MSU now?

[eta] I just started watching Chicago Code. Enjoying it so far.

[ edited by Emmie on 2011-03-22 07:49 ]
Tim Minear: [T]here's something satisfying about having discovered something and then sharing it with somebody else so that they can discover it too ... Teaching others makes you better at what you're doing because you're really teaching yourself at some level.

Truer words were never spoken. I spent my last year or so in the service in charge of language training for a battalion. I worked up much of the training material and helped out those linguists who were having the most trouble with the mandatory language testing. It was probably the most satisfying year of my 15-year career. Too bad the Army didn't need or even care about language trainers.
Shapenew, I'm trying to say most shows (I think it's about three quarters) don't make it past their first season. US networks pump out too many new shows for viewers to watch, in the hope they stick with a few long term. When you do find a hit show, network (and hopefully other people) make a lot of $. It's ultimately about playing darts with stories, and seeing what sticks. Networks try to pick the best dart players, and Tim's a pro. Sooner or later, something he does will click with a lot of people. During that time he's throwing a lot of different darts in compelling ways - which I kinda love.

[ edited by gossi on 2011-03-22 13:56 ]
Agreed, gossi, I always look forward to whatever Tim does next. He can even take genres I don't normally watch, and premises that normally wouldn't interest me, and make them riveting must-watch tv. It's all about how you handle the subject matter, writing strong characters, and good dialog. Which reminds me - I still need to watch Terriers. Any word on dvd?
Possibly a stamp-on-demand deal but we haven't heard anything new in ages. :(

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