This site will work and look better in a browser that supports web standards, but it is accessible to any browser or Internet device.

Whedonesque - a community weblog about Joss Whedon
"The king of cups expects a picnic, but this is not his birthday."
11973 members | you are not logged in | 25 October 2020


March 24 2011

Read the latest volume of Slayage. The Buffyverse essays include a feminist comparison between Buffy and Bella, drugs and posthumanism on Buffy, how 'Normal Again' and 'The Harvest' can be used as commentary on Buffy and Spike's relationship and why Buffy seasons 5 & 6 become a post-structuralist primer.

Wow, that reaslist/antirealist essay took a sudden turn at the end. "By the way--how could Buffy possibly not see how Spike is good? Answer: the show sucks." I think a little more space than a paragraph might be justified there.
The birthday paper by Kaveny/Lavery is well worth reading!
RE: The opening article of the issue
Bella's choices may well be Bella's choices, but sorry, while all of her decisions are made with the singular aim of ensuring that she gets to be with her man for ever and ever then I'll never buy her as a feminist icon. Buffy will always kick Bella's butt in that department!
I think Bella is one of the most reactionary characters in YA literature. 8 steps backward with her.
I am generally tolerant when it comes to Twilight -- it is what it is: a gothic supernatural romance, and it doesn't appeal to me because it wasn't designed to appeal to me. But that essay? Bella on par with Buffy as a feminist icon? It made me see a little red, I admit.

Bella's choices are her choices, but what the author seems to brush aside is that every one of them is motivated by her overwhelming need to be with her man. The entire direction of her life is dictated by her desire to be with Edward, which makes sense because hello: this a YA gothic romance. Buffy's path is influenced by the men and loves she has, but not dominated by them.

Also, in a rebuttal to her last statement, I feel intensely protective of Buffy as a character.
Bella is not a feminist icon -- I agree with this. But I also don't believe that she is the opposite of one, either, and I think that's what the article was trying to say -- Bella is not the opposite of a feminist icon. (Obviously this is just my interpretation, but that was my impression after reading it.)

I also don't fault Bella at all for being so primarily motivated by a desire to be with the boy she loves. I cut her a lot of slack because she's a teenager, and all the teenagers I've known (myself included) are really melodramatic. Although Breaking Dawn ends with Bella happily married, for all we know after she spends a couple decades with Edward, she might get sick of him and move on. Also, there were many moments when Bella was motivated by love for her friends and family, not just Edward.

Buffy is a superior heroine in all respects, this is true. I love and idolize Buffy; she is my hero, and when life gets hard, I always think of Buffy and find inner strength. My appreciation of Bella is a teeny tiny microscopic fraction of my love for Buffy. However, I don't agree with all the flack that Bella gets. As the article points out, she saves everyone's butts in the end. She's just not truly a HERO like Buffy.

I also did not agree about not being protective of Buffy. The only other fans of Buffy I know are people I introduced to the series, but from my perspective, I am very protective of Buffy. Even if I felt like she was wrong, no matter what she did I always rooted for her. When other characters were mean to her I HATED them.

This thread has been closed for new comments.

You need to log in to be able to post comments.
About membership.

joss speaks back home back home back home back home back home