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April 04 2011

(SPOILER) Christos Gage talks about his new "Angel and Faith" comic book series. Lots of nice little tidbits - it'll have a little bit more of a supernatural, noir feel than the Buffy title, it'll be set in London and there's a hint about the end of the first issue. ETA: TFAW.com has a video interview with Christos Gage AND Georges Jeanty talking about the Buffy Season 9 event.

can't wait!

i'm still holding out hope for some sort of fred return or reappearance!

[ edited by aedan4818 on 2011-04-04 22:39 ]
Scott Allie's SlayAlive interview seemed to indicate that Connor definitely would be part of Angel & Faith but Illyria probably wouldn't be, because Joss wants to write the next part of her story himself.

My guess is that if there's ever any sort of Fred return or reappearance, it will involve Illyria, so if I've got that right then it doesn't look good.
Great interviews
Yeah i read about that, i don't thin thats the "surprise" or anything, i just wish they would bring her back haha.

Fred and Cordy were my favorites of the series and they are both dead so thats pretty disappointing, but maybe eventually..hopefully?
(:
"But Joss was there first"

How true that is....

Anyway, I always thought Fred's fate was a bit ambiguous. Did she just die? Or was her soul completely destroyed? That's what it sounded like in season 5. However, Illyria does hold all of Fred's memories. If the last Doctor Who season is any indication, that's enough to bring someone back with

I miss Cordy, though I have really enjoyed all of Angel's romantic pursuits(even werewolf girl who I thought was sweet), I have always felt that Cordy was the best match for him. She just seemed to understand him better than anyone, including Buffy
@Arkham258

they did say her soul was destroyed, however in Angel After the Fall issue 5 (i think) Lorne says Fred is the lucky one because she is in heaven, and someone replies with "heaven without the ones you love isn't heaven" joss co wrote and supervised the script so i assume that means shes moved on, and later angel is pessimistic about fred and wesley being together in afterlife and cordelia appears (via a breeze of wind) trying to give him hope.

and i agree, cordy and angel would have been the best together!
More noir is always a good thing. I kinda feel like they lost that after the first few episodes of s1. It was sprinkled lightly every now and then, but I would have preferred more, this sounds promising. Faith is total femme fatale!

Cordy was the worst love interest for me. With all the talk of family between them it just seemed so wrong. I don't think Angel should ever be with anyone(at least anyone we've seen). Neither should Buffy. Or Faith. I always think Spike lost out on losing Dru, they were meant to be. They were the only couple I could see a real partnership between. I miss Dru.
@BlueSkies
in spikes current miniseries, he had willow return Dru's soul, and it's been confirmed she will be in Buffy S9, so it could still happen! (:
in spikes current miniseries, he had willow return Dru's soul

Really? For, like, realsies? For keeps? Urgghhh. That's just ... *shakes head* Why can't vampires just be bad anymore.

[ edited by Kaan on 2011-04-05 06:04 ]
Thanks for that update aedan4818, but much like Kaan, this news saddens me. I loved Spike when he tried to be bad, the bumbling failure that he was, but the way he did it for her was so tragically beautiful. His jealousy when Angelus was on the scene was so much better than his Cordy-esque bickering in Angel s5. Dru made a man of the monster.

Re-ensouled Dru is just a slap in the face. Make Spike evil again and pair him with Dru, cause current Spike, with his self pity, is absolutely no match for a power-house of malevolence like Dru. They should have given her more screen time in S2. In fact, she should have been kept on through all the seasons! Given her own show. Let's forget Angel and Spike, the true badasses are Darla and Dru. We saw them in Angel S2, evil and relentless, more of that and less of the redemption! Sorry, lot of Dru love going on here. And just went way off topic. But maybe we could get a Dru and Darla story line, something from their past after Angel left the group? Maybe? Something to go against the grain of the heroes making amends, let's see unsouled horror from the hands of villainesses!

But I am glad you told us this so it won't be a giant shock if it all happens. It'll just add to the layer of disappointment you have left on me...more like a crust really. Thanks. :D
so with season eight we had 40 issues over four years. and now we have a total of 50 from both buffy and angel over two years.
HELLS YES!
No Problem! (:
and to clarify a little more- Spike found out that while he was a ghost (during season 5) he was infected with some sort of soul sucking parasite that chipped at it over time causing him to lose his soul. he was in Las Vegas and Dru made an appearance apparently and when willow offered to restore his soul, he said send it to dru because he was still a good man without it.

sorry to crush dreams, lol but that was all IDW. Dark Horse and Joss have decided to intertwine story lines (ex.spikes ship) into season 9, so it's considered 'canon' but if anyone knows how to write pure gold it's Joss. seeing Dru with a soul will be a very interesting character development so i have high hopes for Season 9!

[ edited by aedan4818 on 2011-04-05 09:04 ]

[ edited by aedan4818 on 2011-04-05 09:36 ]
Re-ensouled Dru is just a slap in the face


Why? If there's anyone that should be given a second chance, it shoud be her.
Because a soul does not cure insanity Simon. Dru was already damaged before her turning, Angel made sure of that. And the two biggest cases we have of vampires being ensouled make it clear that it's not a stroll in the park. One was cursed and was a pathetic brooding mass of flesh for a 100y. The other chose to get a soul and still was not ready for it. Dru did not ask for a soul nor fight for it, and while Angel was a massmurderer he was still sane, the same cannot be said for Dru.
I actually think that the best thing one could do for Dru is simply put her out of her misery. Darla found peace and salvation in love,sacrifice and death. I suspect the same would be for Dru. She, out of the whole gang was the only true innocent but i still don't think that a soul would cut it for her. This was a young woman that was gonna be a nun, disregard her insanity for a second, when she remembers her actions she would be destroyed imo, catonic,lifeless. It was already so damaging for a normal person like Liam that liked to drink and whore around. There's a reason why Angel considers Dru to be his masterpiece.

I highly doubt that Spike is soulles in season 8 or that that Dru storyline will have any impact on Spike's story in season9. Joss made his point quite clear when he gave Spike a soul, it was needed and cannot be disregarded that easily, it was his next step in evolution. Part of the reason why Joss finds Spike to be the most evolved character in the verse and superior to Angel, the soulles demon getting a soul. Again something i dislike about Idw comics, their constant messing around with Spike's soul.

@Blueskies: I'm glad that the majority of fans of Spike don't agree with you. I doubt the character would have been as popular if this wasn't the case. Early soulles Spike was a walking joke, worth nothing. And Spike with a soul has proven to be a much bigger badass then his soulles self ever was. In my book, saving the world>>>>>taking out a slayer. Don't see anything about Spike/Dru being meant to be, for the paring to work Spike needed to be much less then he was, content on being a used dog. Dru's state also held no future as she would never change. And he rejected her without a soul in favor of Buffy, back when he was just taking his first steps into the light. Now he's a respected champion, is loved and cared for(which is what he always wanted but couldn't get from Dru). I don't think there's a chance in hell for Spike to regress back to Dru, as he stated himself whatever he felt for Dru doesn't even compare in the slightest to what he feels for Buffy.

Angel and Faith looks to be great, i'm really glad that DH is actually trying to do something different. I think the detective/noir vibe will pay-off big time. I don't think that the pairing is meant to be romantic, neither character(especially Angel) are in that place at the moment. But no doubt, if they help and support eachother. And when Angel recovers, then i have no doubt that he'll have deep feelings for Faith because when everyone had abandoned him, she was the only one to extend her hand. Wether those feelings are going to be friendship based or romantic remains to be seen, at the very least it has the potential. I think Angel/Cordelia showed that Angel to be a balanced character needs to have that opposing force. And Cordelia was great in that she kept him grounded. I don't see why Faith can't be that, she's also brutally honest and added bonus is unlike Cordy Faith can easily kick Angel's ass if he steps out of line or is starting to. I think that if Angel and Faith make it, they'll have a bright future.
I'm still stoked we're having Christo Gage writing in the Buffyverse. You guys know he's writing some of Amazing Spiderman this year right? An Amazing Spiderman calibre writer writing Angel & Faith? That's pretty sweet.
Because a soul does not cure insanity Simon. Dru was already damaged before her turning, Angel made sure of that.


Well there's that but for me Dru's arc should end with her soul back and her mind restored. It would balance out the injustices that Angelus (and Spike I suppose) did to her.

I'm glad that the majority of fans of Spike don't agree with you. I doubt the character would have been as popular if this wasn't the case. Early soulles Spike was a walking joke, worth nothing.


I did a survey about this on our Whedonesque twitter account last year, I asked our followers "Who do you prefer? Pre Buffy season 4 Spike, chipped Spike or souled Spike?"

The results were

1st place - Pre Buffy season 4 Spike with 39.4% of the vote
2nd place - Souled Spike with 35.8% of the vote
3rd place - Chipped Spike with 24.8% of the vote


There were about 109 responses from what I recall, it's a small sample but it does show in some tiny way that people do respond to the character differently.

Angel and Faith looks to be great, i'm really glad that DH is actually trying to do something different


I like that it's going to be cold-case investigations. Which makes me think that we'll see Ripper in his prime. And hopefully more backstory for the Watchers Council.
and to clarify a little more- Spike found out that while he was a ghost (during season 5) he was infected with some sort of soul sucking parasite that chipped at it over time causing him to lose his soul. he was in Las Vegas and Dru made an appearance apparently and when willow offered to restore his soul, he said send it to dru because he was still a good man without it.

Cheers for the extra info aedan4818. But still, maybe I should read the Spike series because, as I understand the way things to work in the Buffyverse, that makes absolutely no sense.

Well there's that but for me Dru's arc should end with her soul back and her mind restored. It would balance out the injustices that Angelus (and Spike I suppose) did to her.

For me, the reason I love Dru as a character is her messed up, psychotic, murderess ways. I don't need to see her restored. I empathize with her because of what she went through but love her character for exactly her wickedness.

I like that it's going to be cold-case investigations. Which makes me think that we'll see Ripper in his prime. And hopefully more backstory for the Watchers Council.

Yeah that sounds really cool. How Angel will be using Giles' diaries as the catalyst for his redemption.

[ edited by Kaan on 2011-04-05 11:57 ]

Well there's that but for me Dru's arc should end with her soul back and her mind restored. It would balance out the injustices that Angelus (and Spike I suppose) did to her.

That would be a nice end for Dru but the most important thing you mentioned there is the restoring of her mind. I believe she's the most deserving of a shanshu in a sense that she is made human again and her past actions/memory are wiped away from her mind. I don't think Spike has any blame in what Dru became, that's all on Angel, including the not helping her in anyway once he got his soul.
I did a survey about this on Whedonesque twitter feed last year, I asked our followers "Who do you prefer? Pre Buffy season 4 Spike, chipped Spike or souled Spike?"
The results were
There were about 109 responses from what I recall, it's a small sample but it does show in some tiny way that people do respond to the character differently.

Sorry Simon, but that doesn't work for me. That sample is way too few, 109 responses doesn't even come close to giving an accurate statistic. And then there's also to consider that not all of those are truthfull, shipping factions/fans of certain characters wanting to damage the other team/characters. Spike's popularity was in part the reason why he was allowed to continue growing and become a regular character. We weren't even going to get a season 5 Angel without Spike with a soul. The sad fact is simply that with being one of the most, if not the most popular character in the verse also comes coupled with fans that resent and hate the character for his popularity.

I like that it's going to be cold-case investigations. Which makes me think that we'll see Ripper in his prime. And hopefully more backstory for the Watchers Council.

That's what i'm hoping for. We've heard that even tough Giles is dead, season 9 will pretty much revolve around his character,presence. And i do think that this is the best way for Angel to honor the man he killed, we'll probably see how much of a silent hero Giles was. Working behind the scenes, helping were he could without getting any cred. It's easier being the hero in the spotlight like Buffy and Angel have been. To get all the praise and woreship.
Yeah, i think we'll see how Giles might have gone from the rebel Ripper to the silent watcher 'agent of destiny' Giles.
The sad fact is simply that with being one of the most, if not the most popular character in the verse also comes coupled with fans that resent and hate the character for his popularity.

I don't see much hate for Spike at all. Maybe back during the show, but not these days. No where near the levels of other characters. And whenever it does crop up, it's usually just the normal shipping back and forth bs both sides are guilty of, nothing to do with popularity. In fact I'd go so far as to say Spike is one of the least touchable characters (as in criticism) in the verse because of his popularity.
I do find it amusing that a thread about Angel turns into a tread pre-dominantly about Spike. I'm sure Spike would like it too. :)
I just want to add that any Whedonesque poll is going to be skewed in a certain way because most Spike and/or Spuffy fans stay away from Whedonesque. No offense intended, it's just a fact.
Without derailing the conversation anymore that I possibly can, I will say that we have a very strong following of Spike/Spuffy fans on our Twitter feed. His fans love it when he gets picked as QOTD etc. And that's a fact.
Simon in reply to your reply to me AGES ago(earlier today) I was just saying the slap in the face is a result of us not being able to have evil vampires. I like the complexity of the character of Dru. I don't think she needs or deserves redemption, all this was not her fault. In fact to keep her evil and insane is a testimony to the idea that you can't redeem every act. Some consequences are there for life, no matter how long that is. With every vampire getting a soul it diminishes the importance of the Angel's in the first place and then Spike(although I'm in the poll majority group, I think I made that clear...I like my bad guys). But Angel is getting his slate cleaned through all this. It's not okay.

As a point of reference, think Angel will lose his soul and fight Faith in this series? I love Angelus and seeing him and Faith again would just be beyond the incredible amazingness that this comic is already bringing! It would be so good to see how she would deal with that without magic, without Buffy and without any one else to stand by her. If she had to stake him...my mind is blown with possibility!!
I wonder if Angel is going to stake her? Hee hee.

Too crass? ;)
The thing I really want to see addressed in S9 for Faith's arc is her sagging sense of self-worth. I suppose it's always been there. Back in S3, she was just compensating, but the thing is... even the compensating was on some level an effort to fight and make herself strong. I'm not seeing that in S8 - at all. The whole bit where Faith said Buffy was really the only slayer all along actually made me angry. Snap out of it! It's not the first time in S8 that she's lamented that she's not strong enough to do what Buffy does. That's not self-awareness - it's just quitting on herself. Yes, she's done horrible things and yes, there are going to be ongoing consequences for that, but she's in a place now where she expects to get kicked by everyone around her: Angel betrayed her and punched her lights out as Twilight. Giles betrayed her by not telling her what they were really doing the whole time they were together (not to mention the effect of taking of the scythe "for Buffy") - and those have been two of the most important people in her life. Her response? She just accepts it. At the end of S8, everyone is angry with her. Where's her anger? Even when something good happens for her, like Giles leaving her almost all his belongings, she twists it into a shot - that he did it because she's weak. For a series that's so much about female empowerment, Faith has gone the other way. She's a Slayer who has de-Slayerized herself. I don't know that self-doubt ever really goes away - nor should it, but she needs to get her fight on again and know that she's worth fighting for.
@ Vergil: When you say about Spike that, "Now he's a respected champion, is loved and cared for...", I'm confused. Who is doing the loving and caring, exactly? The bugs? I've only followed the IDW comics very sporadically, but I don't remember any scuttlebutt about Spike finding reciprocal love. I absolutely agree that's what he wants, though.

I'm so happy that Faith is getting co-titular billing! I am past ready to see more of her story. Bring it on!

For a series that's so much about female empowerment, Faith has gone the other way.


Well, season 8 really did shred that "female empowerment" to tiny pieces. It was one big slap down on the empowered females - made worse by the fact that the women (woman: Buffy) did bring this down on themselves. Guess girls are just stupid that way....


She's a Slayer who has de-Slayerized herself.


The narrative de-slayerized her all alone:
In season 8, Faith is set up as the caretaker of her slayer-sisters.
In season 9, Faith is set up as the caretaker of the murderer of her slayer-sisters.
I think it's more complex than that (if you'll pardon me) somewhat reductive argument and S9 and beyond will continue to bear that out. I could be wrong, though.
Vergil, I'm confused why Simon having an actual sampling of fan opinion is somehow less valid that you not having any sampling whatsoever to cite.
@ Vergil: When you say about Spike that, "Now he's a respected champion, is loved and cared for...", I'm confused. Who is doing the loving and caring, exactly? The bugs? I've only followed the IDW comics very sporadically, but I don't remember any scuttlebutt about Spike finding reciprocal love. I absolutely agree that's what he wants, though.

I only follow canon so my pointview only comes from Dh's comics. The loving and caring comes from Buffy, although ofcourse Spike is not aware of it yet. My point being was that being the second worst vampire in recent recorded history brought Spike nothing but a bad rep/image and unrequited love that even after 100y meant nothing.
While he has suffered a lot more while walking on the path of a white hat(as it should be, being evil is easy). I think he finds the pay-off more then worth it. Otherwise Spike would have done all he could to get rid of his soul instead of being a champion which nobody is forcing him to be. And most importantly as he is now he can reach his deepest wish of finding that true love. If it's not Buffy it can be someone else. While he was evil and soulles there was no such possibility.

@The One True b!X: It's not less valid, it's simply not valid(in regards to the whole fanbase). Much better polls that had much bigger numbers were done often when the shows were still running. 100 is simply not a good enough of a number to get a clear reading on the fanbase. Say for example i do polls at 3 different sites, one were i know is filled with fans that love bangel, hate spuffy,Xander. The second is filled with spuffy fans that hate Angel. And the third is filled with scooby fans and hate Spike,Angel. There is no way in hell that those three polls will even remotely get the same result. Simon's poll(sorry if this sounds dirty) applies to the twitter Whedonesque fanbase.

Say on average that Dh's comics sells 50000 per issue. That means that less then 0,01 voiced their opinion with that poll. Say on average a Buffy season had 4 million viewers...wel you get the idea. It would be a massive undertaking(and a lot of hard work) to get an accurate reading of fan's opinions. I honestly don't think it's worth it, you can always get a much better reading of the fanbase by following the sales.
The loving and caring comes from Buffy, although ofcourse Spike is not aware of it yet.


Ah. I see. You are of the "cockeyed optimist" clan. I once lived among you. It was nice there.
@BringItOn5x5
I think the problem with Faith is that no one stays in her life long enough to give her that sense of self worth. She doesn't have Scoobies. She doesn't have Giles. She doesn't have anyone. She's a complex character. It's hard to fully understand all of her issues. At times, I feel like NOT being the Slayer has always had a negative effective on her mind going all the way back to season 3. She essentially lost her identity. Then you have her daddy issues, her negative view of men in general, the weight of all the lives she has taken, seeing her watcher brutally murdered, the betrayals and well...she just has a LOT of issues. The No Future for You story actually made me feel like Faith is sometimes fighting to hold on to her sanity, which makes her a fascinating character to me

I like her and Angel together as he is the only character screwed up enough for her to really relate to I think. One of the strengths of Angel and Faith is how screwed up they are. They know how to relate to and help other messed up people. Buffy would never have been able to connect to Gigi like Faith did, and she likely would have just staked Angelus in Angel season 4. The mind walk thing the writers did wouldn't have worked with Buffy, who would not have been able to stand seeing those parts of Angel's past the way Faith did. Buffy can't see things like that. It's why Giles only let Faith see his ripper side

The Drusila soul thing is interesting, but I worry sometimes that the Buffyverse gives out souls to people like candy. I like the idea though of her being redeemed in some way. Redemption is always a strong theme in Angel stories. I haven't read that issue yet so this was spoiled for me but I don't mind too much. Dru has a connection to this world that no one else has with her weird visions and prophesies. That's always fascinated me. Will she retain that now that she has her soul? And have we ever fully explored what Dru is capable of? She basically mesmerized Kendra in Buffy season 2, not a normal vampire ability that's for sure. Sorry, River Tam, but THAT is how you kill someone with your mind

About the Chip Spike vs Soulless Spike vs Souled Spike thing, I liked chipped Spike the best. It was fascinating to see him gradually become good WITHOUT a soul. It didn't make sense, which I loved. Made me question what Spike actually is as he clearly was not a typical vampire. I view Dracula the same way. He has redeemable traits, yet has no soul. Weird, yet fascinating. The two of them are just unexplainable anamolies. However, soulless, no chip Spike was him at his most badass in my opinion. He will never be quite that cool again

[ edited by Arkham258 on 2011-04-05 23:39 ]
Arkham258, there is not one single thing I can disagree with you on, not even word choice!
You're so right, Faith was never given a sense of self worth. From the beginning she had a complex. Unfortunately Buffy fed into that by pushing her back out of jealousy. Faith needed someone to stand beside her and perhaps even be a big sister, but Buffy couldn't be that person. Then when she went off the rails a wee bit it was Angel who went to help her only to be thwarted by Wesley. At that point Angel was the one willing to take her in and forgive her and help her, the way no one else could have, forshadowing the current series.
The only sense the mayor gave her was that she was an instrument of (adorable)evil that he was running. So imagine awaking to a world where the only person who had any interest in fulfilling your potential was killed by the people you initially trusted and also put you in a coma(with the actual intent of killing you). I'm sure it'd screw anyone up. But there's a further wedge. Angel again was the only one to help her after this, prison may have separated them slightly. But the point is; the good guys are always putting a block on her growth and repair. No wonder she plays fast and loose with the idea of good and evil, where can she possibly draw the line between them?!

If anything Faith is MORE of a slayer and more self empowered than anyone else on the show because she is constantly battling within herself to not only do the right thing, but figure out what it is. Angel and Spike got souls and had Buffy for guidance. Faith had a soul, never had anyone to tell her how to use it. She was a blank slate. Vampires are drawn to the dark side of the fight, Faith chose it and turned around(sorta), not because she had no other choice(like a neutered vampire), but because she figured it out on her own. Well more or less, the "kill me Angel" bit was kinda the clincher. It was like she had a compass with no hands. She knew where north was, but no idea how to get there.

Dru and a soul is just confounding though. I don't think she should have to pay for what she did. Is it possible that she could even comprehend her actions? Will it even change her or make her more unstable? Angel and Spike went crazed for a while after they got their souls, Dru is already there, won't this only do more damage?

Edit: on the topic of redeeming vampires, we never give Harmony her props. Everyone talks about Spike being souless and trying to be better. So did Harmony. Well done her. Okay hers didn't go so well cause no one really believed in her, but she was trying. There's a Buffy-type failure of Angel's redemption mission. He and Spike gave up on Harmony, but she did really well on her own.

[ edited by BlueSkies on 2011-04-06 02:36 ]
I find the idea of Dru with a soul fascinating. I don't have any preconceived notions about what I want to happen, I just want to see it.

Bringiton5x5 this:
"Even when something good happens for her, like Giles leaving her almost all his belongings, she twists it into a shot - that he did it because she's weak."
was a really interesting point as well.

I like the idea as Angel and Faith together, not necessarily romantically but as people who hold each other up when they need it. I love the "found family" idea, it was one of the things I loved about the early seasons of Angel, until they screwed it up by trying to make Angel/Cordy into a romance. Me personally, I preferred them as "family."

Simon that's good news to hear that Whedonesque twitter is more Spike-friendly. Maybe I'll check it out.
The "kill me Angel" scene was one of my all time favorite moments on either show. I don't think I have ever seen someone on a tv show so broken. And Angel is really the only person in the world who WOULDN'T have killed her, the only person who knows what it is like to hit rock bottom like that. I felt a lot of sympathy for her after that episode. It was a defining moment for the character and kind of made her fight for redemption more meaningful to me than any other Buffyverse character.

And WOW, I LOVED that moment when Angel stood up for Faith when Buffy showed up. I don't really know what exactly Buffy intended to do to her, but Angel wouldn't have it.

On a related note, I LOVED when Echo totally breaks down in the series finale of Dollhouse after losing Ballard. I know some people don't think much of Eliza as an actress, but when she plays those parts where she has an emotional and mental breakdown, I really FEEL it.

Since there has been a lot of Drusilla talk here, I just want to say how cool I thought it was that Juliet Landau worked with Brian Lynch to write a story about her. Now there's an actress with serious commitment to a character. I really like that

Oh and the Angel/Cordy romance I think was simply not handled as well as it could have been, so I understand that some people didn't like it. I still think she was perfect for him though. She could always tell him the truth, push him when he needed it and make him smile when no one else could. I always felt like he NEEDED her while his romances with Buffy and Darla felt more like an obsessive love. In a lot of ways, both Buffy and Darla were not healthy relationships for him

EDIT:They both represented what he couldn't have. The Vampire Slayer and the human woman whose life he couldn't save in season 2

[ edited by Arkham258 on 2011-04-06 03:35 ]
I love symmetry. I imagine some characters may want to kill Angel now like Buffy wanted to kill Faith in Angel season 1(Willow really seemed to have some animosity towards Angel even BEFORE he killed Giles). This time, Faith will be the one sticking up for him if there are any problems and pulling him out of his fractured state. It all comes full circle.

I kind of view Angel/Faith as a sister/brother kind of relationship. Like siblings that they never had but always needed. I wouldn't be oppossed to some kind of romance between them, but I think it would have to be handled VERY carefully and built up VERY slowly. I know the same people who hated Angel/Cordy and Xander/Dawn probably would hate that though. I try not to get too caught up in shippy stuff so I don't think I'd mind

EDIT:I actually wouldn't be surprised to see an Angel/Faith romance TEASED without it ever actually happening. Maybe a way to give fan fic writers something to play around with without actually angering people who are thoroughly opposed to the idea

[ edited by Arkham258 on 2011-04-06 03:45 ]
Personally, I like the idea of people starting a romantic relationship as close friends. I think it gives it more legs (Willow, Xander and formal wear notwitstanding.)
I dunno, I like our main heroes to be untained by relationships with other heroes. Angel and Cordy was very much dealt with in a very wrong way and I don't think there was a right way to do that. I mean it's understandable that two people in that situation could develop those kinds of feelings(like Spike tried to convinvce Buffy of once in S5), but I'd rather they have some sort of outside the office relationship. Wood was a good match for Faith(not quite the hero Angel is, but not entirely a loser either). But Angel and Faith need to just be each others back bones, a relationship that fails could be more damamging.
@redeem147
I agree. People I know that have been together a long time usually tell me they started as friends. Some people seem to firmly believe that friendships can't blossom into romance though

Love works differently for different people.

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