I just saw Salt at Netflix instant watch over the weekend so when I read this plot scenario again, I hope for some keen action scenes if we get to see this.

Tonya J | May 02, 17:00 CET

Ringer is good. Playboy is mediocre, though I expect it'll get picked to series.

nuccbko | May 02, 19:01 CET

Nice that it sounds like a good series.

Anyone know how to actually pronounce "Siobhan"?

barboo | May 02, 19:03 CET

"Cher-Vorn" is the nearest I can suggest.

zz9 | May 02, 19:08 CET

Most people in my neck of the woods pronounce it "sh-vawn".

Simon | May 02, 19:10 CET

@nuccbko I've actually been hearing some pretty good things about Playboy, although I'm not sure how I feel about their choice of lead. Looks like we'll have a few promising series to look forward to this fall.

@barboo what Simon said. :) (edited for redundancy)

[ edited by F_TB on 2011-05-02 19:20 ]

F_TB | May 02, 19:14 CET

This is how David Letterman pronounces it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmf0yRemaUY

zz9 | May 02, 19:21 CET

I'm most excited for Locke and Key - I really like what I've read so far of the comics. But I guess there isn't a direct Whedon connection for it...

shnoods | May 02, 19:22 CET

I pronounce it Simon's way, myself. There was a Siobhan Fallon on Saturday Night Live once, and that's about how Don Pardo pronounced it.

swanjun | May 02, 19:23 CET

Actually it's pronounced "Throat Warbler Mangrove".

zz9 | May 02, 19:58 CET

Letterman's way of pronouncing it is the way people in Ireland pronounce it


Some information on how the pilot is doing currently
Deadline.com/2011/05/primetime-pilot-panic-2nd-hot-list/



They do point out though that getting a read on CBS pilots is difficult .

garda39 | May 02, 20:04 CET

Letterman's way of pronouncing it is the way people in Ireland pronounce it

It's also the way right people everywhere else pronounce it.

Actually it's pronounced "Throat Warbler Mangrove".

You're a very silly man.

Saje | May 02, 20:06 CET

garda39, Nellie's primetime pilot panic articles at deadline are fun to read but don't give anything there any weight. It's all agent pimping and 3rd and 4th hand rumor mill stuff. We'll all know the reality in 2 weeks and even then it won't be final. :)

IrrationaliTV | May 02, 20:12 CET

You're a very silly man.

Antisemitism!

zz9 | May 02, 20:13 CET

Actually it's pronounced "Throat Warbler Mangrove".

Yes, and I wish to hear the throat singers of Tuva warble it!

Tonya J | May 02, 20:40 CET

Very much not a given for Gaelic names I've noticed in the past .

garda39 | May 02, 21:10 CET

Also, David Krumholtz is in Playboy... colour me even more interested now.

genia | May 02, 21:29 CET

Antisemitism!

That's not even your nose !

Very much not a given for Gaelic names I've noticed in the past.

I did say right people ;). Other Gaelic words I agree (because you've got Scots and Irish Gaelic), maybe even other (less common) Gaelic names but Siobhan is shivawn (roughly), it's common enough that people who don't say it that way are mispronouncing it (which isn't a knock against anyone that does BTW, bet I mispronounce loads of words from other languages just because I haven't heard them spoken). It may sound slightly different because how one person pronounces 'shivawn' will be different to the next (even within Ireland, nevermind between Ireland/Scotland/England/America etc.) but it's still definitely 'shivawn' and not e.g. seeoban.

[ edited by Saje on 2011-05-02 22:08 ]

Saje | May 02, 22:07 CET

As an Irish person, I actually find it difficult to guess how to pronounce a lot of Irish names when I see them written down. Many aren't hard to pronounce once you've heard someone ele say them, but on occasion you do see names which I would have no idea how to pronounce unless I'd heard them before. Caoimhe is a good example - it's actually pronounced "Key-va" but, as with many Irish names, I just can't work out the logic behind how it's spelt.

Razor | May 03, 00:09 CET

And don't forget "Saoirse."

FloralBonnet | May 03, 02:56 CET

In those cases

ao = ee
se = sha
mh = v (like Slainte mhath - sorry, accents are hard on this keyboard)

so the logic's pretty logical really, native English speakers are just used to Latin script = English so when we see Latin script (more or less) used to represent entirely different sounds it throws us. Think 'ph' or the middle sound from 'laugh' in English as a comparison.

As a Scottish person I also sometimes find it hard BTW (going to the Highlands with English mates can sometimes be a bit embarrassing cos they all look to me to pronounce various placenames and i'm like "I'm from the central belt, how the hell would I know ?"* ;) but Siobhan ? Not exactly obscure. My point wasn't that no Gaelic names are hard to say though, more to avoid the idea of "Well, I don't know about you but in Ireland we say it..." since how it's said in Ireland is just how it's said, it being an Irish name and all - other pronunciations aren't variants so much as wrong.


* most of the time i've got a much better idea than they do but there's still some that throw me

Saje | May 03, 07:50 CET

@nuccbko Are you a script reader?

J Linc | May 03, 14:03 CET

I really really can't wait to see SMG every week again. Tis been much too long. :)

cheryl | May 04, 05:17 CET

Seriously, tho, I have to wonder what the monk who came up with the LAtin alphabet for Gaelic was drinking beofre he did it.

DaddyCatALSO | May 07, 21:46 CET

Uisge beatha or some variant i'd wager ;). Whatever it was i'd gladly take a case off his hands (purely in the interests of historical research you understand).

(people might find it easier if it was mainly written in some other script I reckon - something more like the traditional Gaelic typefaces - just to underscore that this is an entirely different language, with different sounds. Though that said, with placenames at least the sounds are sometimes easier than the silences for me)

Saje | May 08, 00:44 CET