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May 02 2011

SMG's Ringer hailed as one of the best pilot scripts for Fall. With the broadcast networks about to unveil their new fall lineups, Jace Lacob picks his favorite scripts—from the period drama Playboy (with Sean Maher!) to the Sarah Michelle Gellar-starring Ringer.

I just saw Salt at Netflix instant watch over the weekend so when I read this plot scenario again, I hope for some keen action scenes if we get to see this.
Ringer is good. Playboy is mediocre, though I expect it'll get picked to series.
Nice that it sounds like a good series.

Anyone know how to actually pronounce "Siobhan"?
"Cher-Vorn" is the nearest I can suggest.
Most people in my neck of the woods pronounce it "sh-vawn".
@nuccbko I've actually been hearing some pretty good things about Playboy, although I'm not sure how I feel about their choice of lead. Looks like we'll have a few promising series to look forward to this fall.

@barboo what Simon said. :) (edited for redundancy)

[ edited by F_TB on 2011-05-02 19:20 ]
This is how David Letterman pronounces it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmf0yRemaUY
I'm most excited for Locke and Key - I really like what I've read so far of the comics. But I guess there isn't a direct Whedon connection for it...
I pronounce it Simon's way, myself. There was a Siobhan Fallon on Saturday Night Live once, and that's about how Don Pardo pronounced it.
Actually it's pronounced "Throat Warbler Mangrove".
Letterman's way of pronouncing it is the way people in Ireland pronounce it


Some information on how the pilot is doing currently
Deadline.com/2011/05/primetime-pilot-panic-2nd-hot-list/

RINGER - reaction to the pilot has varied from mixed to positive - Sarah Michelle Gellar stars, but it's heavily serialized. CBS has only one serialized drama currently on the air, the acclaimed but modestly rated The Good Wife.


They do point out though that getting a read on CBS pilots is difficult .
Letterman's way of pronouncing it is the way people in Ireland pronounce it

It's also the way right people everywhere else pronounce it.

Actually it's pronounced "Throat Warbler Mangrove".

You're a very silly man.
garda39, Nellie's primetime pilot panic articles at deadline are fun to read but don't give anything there any weight. It's all agent pimping and 3rd and 4th hand rumor mill stuff. We'll all know the reality in 2 weeks and even then it won't be final. :)
You're a very silly man.

Antisemitism!
Actually it's pronounced "Throat Warbler Mangrove".

Yes, and I wish to hear the throat singers of Tuva warble it!

It's also the way right people everywhere else pronounce it.


Very much not a given for Gaelic names I've noticed in the past .
Also, David Krumholtz is in Playboy... colour me even more interested now.
Antisemitism!

That's not even your nose !

Very much not a given for Gaelic names I've noticed in the past.

I did say right people ;). Other Gaelic words I agree (because you've got Scots and Irish Gaelic), maybe even other (less common) Gaelic names but Siobhan is shivawn (roughly), it's common enough that people who don't say it that way are mispronouncing it (which isn't a knock against anyone that does BTW, bet I mispronounce loads of words from other languages just because I haven't heard them spoken). It may sound slightly different because how one person pronounces 'shivawn' will be different to the next (even within Ireland, nevermind between Ireland/Scotland/England/America etc.) but it's still definitely 'shivawn' and not e.g. seeoban.

[ edited by Saje on 2011-05-02 22:08 ]
As an Irish person, I actually find it difficult to guess how to pronounce a lot of Irish names when I see them written down. Many aren't hard to pronounce once you've heard someone ele say them, but on occasion you do see names which I would have no idea how to pronounce unless I'd heard them before. Caoimhe is a good example - it's actually pronounced "Key-va" but, as with many Irish names, I just can't work out the logic behind how it's spelt.
And don't forget "Saoirse."
In those cases

ao = ee
se = sha
mh = v (like Slainte mhath - sorry, accents are hard on this keyboard)

so the logic's pretty logical really, native English speakers are just used to Latin script = English so when we see Latin script (more or less) used to represent entirely different sounds it throws us. Think 'ph' or the middle sound from 'laugh' in English as a comparison.

As a Scottish person I also sometimes find it hard BTW (going to the Highlands with English mates can sometimes be a bit embarrassing cos they all look to me to pronounce various placenames and i'm like "I'm from the central belt, how the hell would I know ?"* ;) but Siobhan ? Not exactly obscure. My point wasn't that no Gaelic names are hard to say though, more to avoid the idea of "Well, I don't know about you but in Ireland we say it..." since how it's said in Ireland is just how it's said, it being an Irish name and all - other pronunciations aren't variants so much as wrong.


* most of the time i've got a much better idea than they do but there's still some that throw me
@nuccbko Are you a script reader?
I really really can't wait to see SMG every week again. Tis been much too long. :)
Seriously, tho, I have to wonder what the monk who came up with the LAtin alphabet for Gaelic was drinking beofre he did it.
Uisge beatha or some variant i'd wager ;). Whatever it was i'd gladly take a case off his hands (purely in the interests of historical research you understand).

(people might find it easier if it was mainly written in some other script I reckon - something more like the traditional Gaelic typefaces - just to underscore that this is an entirely different language, with different sounds. Though that said, with placenames at least the sounds are sometimes easier than the silences for me)

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