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June 17 2011

The top five female characters of the Whedonverse. Well according to Daemon's TV. Who features on your list?

If you're experiencing a mild form of deja vu, it's because we had a very similar discussion about the top five male characters.

Sure to catch hell, but so be it.

1. Willow
2. Darla
3. Drusilla
4. Cordelia
5. Joyce

An honorable mention of that irksome vampire slayer Buffy :)
Just my opinion:

1. Willow
2. River
3. Zoe
4. Echo
5. Joyce
In no order: Buffy, Willow, River, Fred/Illyria (that counts as one right?) and Faith.
Top 5:
Faith
Buffy
Zoe
Joyce
Fred
Probably in that order. This is if we're excluding Dollhouse, right?
Also, honourable mention for Jenny!
Kaylee, Buffy, Fray, Faith, Illyria (good choice emmy).
In no particular order and subject to change in the next five minutes

Buffy
Fray
Dandelion
Lilah
Adelle

Honorary mentions

Zoe
Darla
Drusilla
Dawn
Buffy
Adelle
Faith
Willow
Cordelia

Honorable mentions: Lilah, Dawn, Zoe, Dru and Darla.
Current top five characters:

Buffy
Zoe
Drusilla
YoSaffBridge
Dandelion

Honorable mentions: Harmony and River
For me:
In no order: Cordelia, Buffy, Faith, Darla, Willow.
How can you not love a character thatís died (a couple times) but keeps coming back?


There are so, so many ways.

Buffy
River
Dawn
Drusilla
Fray

Honorable mentions: Faith, Anya, Serenity, Mag, Miss Kitty Fantastic, everyone else

Who's this "Dandelion"?
Kairos...is a ship really female? I mean it's inanimate...but why are cars, planes, space ships etc referred to as female? It's google time!

Dandelion is from Sugarshock, Joss's online comic, it was great! http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/16-523/Sugarshock-One-Shot
Buffy
Faith
Cordelia
River
Adelle

Honorable mention: Ellen Ripley.

Simon - I never heard about Dandelion until now. Is it worth reading?
Sugarshock! isn't everyone's cup of tea but there was something so wonderfully punk about the comic strip that led me to really liking the character of Dandelion.

You can read it for free on MySpace

http://www.myspace.com/darkhorsepresents

The story is in three parts, issues 1 - 3 (scroll to the bottom of the page to get to the archives).
Moscow Watcher, I'm not Simon(obviously!) but I say it absolutely is! It's funny, quirky, amazing dialogue and just fun. Read it if you want entertainment, it's literally out of this world.
I'd go with:

1. Willow
2. Faith
3. Fred
4. Kaylee
5. River

Honorable mentions: Anya & YoSaffBridge
Buffy
Faith
The slayer in The Chain
Anne, particularly given this thread earlier this year.
Cordelia
Cordelia
Darla
Faith
Buffy
Adelle

Honorable mentions:

Willow
Jenny
Chantaralle/Lily/Anne
Sierra/Priya
Everyone from Firefly
Fred/Illyria
Faith
Buffy
Willow
Anya

I would do an honorable mention, but then I would just list all the Whedon women.
Simon, BlueSkies - thank you, guys!

I need my monthly dose of Joss Whedon stuff...
Top five only, huh? Not an easy thing to do, considering all the options. But...

1) Faith
2) River
3) Buffy
4) Kaylee
5) Illyria

Probably would be slightly different had I answered this last week... and will be different again next week, no doubt!
In no order: Buffy, Willow, River, Faith and Tara.

And honourable mention to Adelle just because I love Olivia Williams.
Wow! Only 5? Well, I guess:
1. Buffy
2. Cordy
3. Willow
4. Fred/Illyria
5. River
I think people are cheating a bit by throwing in all those "honorable mentions". Part of the fun of this article is being limited to 5 only. Since there are a lot of worthy candidates, this is a way to tie people up and hold them over a volcano (poetically speaking). The writer left Wesley and Angel off the male list, but it would be really hard to pick who would get tossed from her current list.
Top 5: (in no order)
Faith
Anya
Darla
Lilah
Adelle

Honorable mentions: Willow Rosenberg, Cordelia Chase, Claire Saunders (Whiskey), River
Buffy
Willow
Adelle
Fred
Kaylee
... that was easier than I thought it would be. I love so many more characters, but these shine.
1. Adelle
2. Willow
3. Meleka
4. Zoe
5. Tara
Wow, I'm the only one with Tara, that's very interesting.

[ edited by theMidnighter on 2011-06-17 19:32 ]
Kairos...is a ship really female? I mean it's inanimate...but why are cars, planes, space ships etc referred to as female? It's google time!


As memory serves*, it is believed to have become a tradition due to the fact that professional sailors, going as far back as we know of, where overwhelmingly male and often isolated from the female sex over long stretches of time. It became customary to view one's vessel as a substitute for the things left at home (such as female companionship/home itself) and the parallels of the relationship between a pregnant mother and her unborn child to that of a sailor and his host ship also has a longstanding place in the collective mariner psyche.


* Who needs Google anyway? Phaw!
:)

In order:

1. Buffy
2. Cordelia
3. Zoe
4. Darla
5. Lilah

Surprisingly easy to do actually.
Zoe
Willow
Anne (AKA Chanterelle & Lily)
Fred/Illyria
River (particularly when she is the ship, Serenity)

So many rich wonderful characters I loved a lot... I would mention Ivy but I mostly love her in the new Dollhouse comics!

Oh no, I want Lilah too! Can't we make this a top ten? Actually I love them all.
Cordelia
Willow
Adelle
Buffy
Faith
For me, it would have to be:

1. Buffy
2. Willow
3. Illyria
4. Anya
5. Andr Inara
Buffy is my favorite character in the entire 'Verse so of course she's number 1.

Willow is my second favorite female character and after her, it gets impossible to choose only three more.

Cordy, Darla, Zoe, Inara, Joyce, Tara, Dawn, Anya, Faith...
That list in the link would be fine if they swapped out Zoe, Willow and River for Illyria, Inara and Faith.

I love Willow, but she only gets so much attention because they made her a gay character. River is only popular because she kicked so much butt in Serenity and Zoe is kind of a bland character to me, which isn't to say that I disliked her. I just find Inara to be the most complex and interesting female on Firefly. Faith and Illyria are faaaaaaar more interesting characters than Willow and River

Love seeing Cordy on there though, I think her and Wesley had the greatest character arcs of the entire Buffyverse. Buffy on the list is a given

[ edited by Arkham258 on 2011-06-18 04:28 ]
Oh, and if I could do six I'd add Echo of course. Honorable mentions for Darla and Drusilla for their awesome arcs in Angel season 2. I was always glued to the screen whenever they were on
@Arkham258:

I wasn't going to comment, but I had to say I think you are way off base saying Willow only gets so much attention because they made her a gay character. Like she couldn't possibly have made these lists if Buffy ended after season 3. That's absolutely ridiculous.

Just because you didn't appreciate her character as much as others doesn't mean everyone else is blinded by her sexuality. I'm offended by this statement.

/end rant
I think Willow was going to be popular regardless of the eventual coming out of her character, just because of how you can't help but like her. I've always loved Willow, pre- and post-coming out, but I figured she'd be shown so much love on here that my own list would be out of everyone else.
Buffy, Faith, Adelle, River, Willow.

Wow, that was incredibly hard to narrow down.
Not a single mention of Gloria? Am I the only one who thought she was absolutely fantastic? Or is it just because she was a god and not a woman...?

(My own list: Buffy, Willow, Fred/Illyria, Adele - and a shared fifth place for about five or six other characters... like aforementioned Gloria, Tara, River, Echo, Inara.....)
I loved Willow from the moment Cordelia ordered her away from the water fountain in the first episode, and I loved Willow more as she began to develop her power and become a strong confident young woman. Her being Gay was just the shiny sprinkles on top of an already perfect cake.

Oh and I always thought that Glorificus was lame, she would never make any list of mine (unless it was for lame characters). Just my own personal opinion of course.
I'd add Fred, but I don't know who I'd bump, so obviously lots of awesome women. Oh, and add Tara too.
Kairos...is a ship really female?


Maybe not, but I see Illyria on a lot of lists, so I'm not the only one stretching the rules here. :)

Thanks for the anti-googling, brinderwalt! That was interesting. And for the Sugarshock! link, Simon. Yay, new (to me) Joss work!

Revising my list now without looking back at the last one I wrote, because it really is cheating to keep doing those honorable mentions:

Buffy
River
Drusilla
Anne
Dawn

[ edited by Kairos on 2011-06-18 14:47 ]
Mine is the same as Emmie's, I think, though in a different order. And, well, maybe Faith is slightly pushed out for Anya. To round out the top ten, I'd add Darla, Lilah, Zoe, and...Saffron.

I can't speak for others, but my love for Willow and River is not primarily because of their sexuality and ass-kicking, respectively.

[ edited by WilliamTheB on 2011-06-18 18:28 ]
Well, the list is "Most Important," and the author has the decency to admit her persoanl favorite is for her the 5th most important.

I'm no critic so I'd never try this. Plus I tend to get confused doing a Personal Favorites because 1- I confuse liking the actress with liking the character, and 2- because I confuse (as the Lieutenant said on _Family Matters_) "thinking thoughts" about the actress with appreciating her acting abilities. Which explains why my 2 favorite female characters are the radically different Tara and Harmony . . . and I wish they made "Smile Time" puppet versions of them.
Buffy
Willow
Cordelia
Fred/Illyria
Serenity (because a ship is female!)
Buffy
Willow
Anya
Drusilla
Harmony


What can I say? I like the classics.

[ edited by Xane on 2011-06-19 03:57 ]
WilliamTheB -- it pained me to not include Anya. My order isn't really set here, except you know me -- Buffy's my number one girl.
I think people are cheating a bit by throwing in all those honorable mentions.

Of course, OneTeV, you must expect some wiggle room. In fact, think I'll add Anya to the mention. Hey, so many great chartacters! Yeah, I'm so weak :)
Madhatter, I had just re-watched the Office episode "The Fire" (the "desert island book" scene) before seeing people sneak in wiggle room. :-)

Jim: It has to be a book, Dwight.
Dwight: Fine, Physician's Desk Reference-
...hollowed out, inside-waterproof matches, iodine tablets, beet seeds, protein bars, NASA blanket and, in case I get bored, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone.

Just to elaborate on my last post on this topic

I think coming out is what defined Willow. It made her news worthy and every truly major thing that has happened in her character arc stems back to her relationship with Tara. There was no REAL character growth for her until they decided to have her come out. Willow was pretty much the same character for the first three seasons of the show. It doesn't feel like they really did anything major with her character beyond being one of Buffy's sidekicks until her coming out in season 4 had everyone talking about her and the show.

There's a HUGE part of the fan community that is STILL clamoring for Tara to come back and be re-united with Willow. Their relationship still remains the most talked about event in Willow's entire story. So I DO think being gay is the thing that truly elevated Willow's character and made her more popular than ever. Just as people always talk about Buffy being a feminist icon, people made a huge deal out of Willow and Tara having the first lesbian relationship on tv(though Xena toyed around with this a bit but never committed). Just my opinion

River was always a cool character on Firefly, but Serenity made her into this iconic action heroine with the image of her holding two weapons surrounded by armed Alliance troops and dead reaver bodies. Is it a coincidence that her appearances in both Chuck and Sara Connor Chronicles used her as this scary female who looked like she could kick anyone's butt? She's been kind of type casted since Serenity. The Cape took a different approach with her that was nice, but that show was so bad and doomed to failure unfortunately
Arkham258 I hear what you say, but I could not disagree more. Willow was a timid little mouse who would have died in the first episode of the first season if Buffy hadn't saved her, but she quickly became someone who had confidence in her abilities and didn't hesitate to stand up to Cordelia, and for what she believed. As her witchy abilities grew she learned the ability to float a pencil, and then used that ability to kill a vampire! It is true she was probably a side kick throughout high school, but she showed real strength and confidence in Season 2's Halloween episode when Buffy was out of commission and Willow was ordering Xander, Giles, and even Cordelia around.

Just because you didn't see her character growth, doesn't mean that the rest of us didn't see and appreciate her growing confidence and strength long before she met Tara.

It is true that River was already a complex, and dangerous, little girl before she was even let out of the box in Firefly, but that isn't character growth.... that was us slowly discovering what happened to her. I agree that in Serenity she had a major break through which allowed her to access her power, but I would still argue that that is less character growth as it is self discovery.

At any rate I don't think the fans appreciation of either of these characters is mutually exclusive: Joss has written a lot of very interesting complex women none of whom are exactly alike (although obviously Cordelia and Jayne were exactly the same).
Thank you so much embers, for saying (much better than I could) what I wanted to about Willow. When I think about Willow, I think about so many things before I get to the fact that, oh yeah, she's a lesbian.
River-Have never been more memorized by a character.
Anya-Loved her brand of funny and growth.
Illyra-I could watch a whole series staring Blue.
Gwen-Such potential!
Buffy-A given.

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