May 02
2012
Joss Whedon's best and worst projects.
Rolling Stone's ranking of Joss Whedon projects contains a few surprises.
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jrosebud | May 02, 10:31 CET
This is the right link.
Taly | May 02, 10:34 CET
krissyjump | May 02, 10:35 CET
[ edited by Snugels on 2012-05-02 19:37 ]
Snugels | May 02, 10:36 CET
Actually, Joss stated that from the start it was planned for Doyle to be killed off and replaced by Wesley early in the season, but due to the character's popularity he was given several more episodes. It's sad to see Rolling Stone tarnish Glenn Quinn's memory by spreading this kind of nonsense.
fray-adjacent | May 02, 10:44 CET
Simon | May 02, 10:48 CET
[ edited by Kesty on 2012-05-02 19:49 ]
Kesty | May 02, 10:49 CET
Destructo Girl | May 02, 10:53 CET
snuffles | May 02, 10:55 CET
Yefa | May 02, 10:58 CET
Sunfire | May 02, 11:00 CET
Simon | May 02, 11:01 CET
Sunfire | May 02, 11:02 CET
Quarks | May 02, 11:03 CET
It's a list with quirks for sure. Angel S4 and Buffy S8 kind of high, Angel S2, Dollhouse S2, and Firefly/Serenity kind of low... And I agree it's seems early to consider Cabin as #3, and Avengers as #5 (especially since it isn't even out yet in the US, should it really even be on the list yet? Seems like it would be similar logic to not having Buffy S9 and Angel&Faith on there yet... though where are Angel ATF and Fray?). I'm sure they'd be that high eventually but, they need more time to soak in I think...
It would be hard to make this list though, it's like ordering your children a little bit? I have a hard enough time ordering Buffy alone without ordering all of Whedonverse Ever.
ETA
[ edited by DreamRose311 on 2012-05-02 20:06 ]
DreamRose311 | May 02, 11:04 CET
Firefly and Serenity really should be higher, but ultimately, Buffy should be #1. I was thinking Season 5 though, not 3.
lisatwingomez | May 02, 11:04 CET
1. Buffy the Vampire Slayer season 2
2. Firefly season 1
3. Buffy the Vampire Slayer season 3
4. Buffy the Vampire Slayer season 4
5. Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog
6. Serenity
7. Angel season 3
8. Dollhouse season 2
9. Buffy the Vampire Slayer season 1
10. Angel season 5
11. Buffy the Vampire Slayer season 5
12. Dollhouse season 1
13. Angel season 4
14. Buffy the Vampire Slayer season 7
15. Buffy the Vampire Slayer season 6
16. Angel season 2
17. The Avengers
18. Angel season 1
PAAATE | May 02, 11:06 CET
This list is really one of the worst I encountered. It's all wrong.
DanielleBN | May 02, 11:06 CET
He featured in one panel of the Joss' penned "Some Steves" story that featured in Stan Lee Meets The Amazing Spider-Man #1. Hedgehog Man has stunning presence.
Simon | May 02, 11:06 CET
DreamRose311 | May 02, 11:11 CET
embers | May 02, 11:14 CET
@theonetruebix | May 02, 11:15 CET
Not even going to think about it.
faith in Angel | May 02, 11:21 CET
Ronald_SF | May 02, 11:34 CET
And, ftr, I actually quite like the order. I would probably throw Dollhouse higher though.
[ edited by Jaymii on 2012-05-02 20:36 ]
Jaymii | May 02, 11:35 CET
Inspired | May 02, 11:38 CET
1. Buffy s3
2. Buffy s2 pt2
3. Buffy s5
4. Angel s2
5. Firefly/Serenity
6. Buffy s6
7. Dr Horrible
8. Angel s5
9. Dollhouse s2
10. Angel s4
11. Buffy s7
12. Angel s3
13. Buffy s4
14. Dollhouse s1 pt2
15. Buffy s8 (-though i'm still not finished)
16. Angel s1
17. Buffy s2 pt1
18. Buffy s1
19. Dollhouse s1 pt1
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I'm a big cheaty cheater and did the splits I mentioned... Also don't ask me to decide the order of Firefly and Serenity, you can't make me! I know the S3 of Angel placement will confuse people, but this is just what I'm feeling at this moment.
DreamRose311 | May 02, 11:44 CET
Irishgirl | May 02, 11:49 CET
[ edited by CaptainB on 2012-05-02 21:07 ]
CaptainB | May 02, 12:07 CET
1.Firefly
2. Serenity
3. Doctor Horrible
4. Frey
5. Buffy S4
6. Buffy S2
7. Buffy S3
8. Buffy S6
9. Buffy S7
10. Sugarshock
11. Dollhouse
12. Cabin in the Woods
13. Angel S5
14. Buffy S8
15. Astonishing X men
16. Angels S 2 & 3
17. Buffy S5
18. Angel S1
19. Buffy S1
20. Angel S4
Of course your mileage WILL vary! LOL
embers | May 02, 12:11 CET
1. Buffy, season 3
2. Buffy, season 5
3. Angel, season 5
4. Serenity
5. Buffy, season 6
6. Angel, season 3
7. Firefly
8. Buffy, season 7
9. Buffy, season 2
10. Angel, season 2
11. Buffy, season 8
12. Angel, season 1
13. Buffy, season 4
14. Fray
15. Dr Horrible
16. Buffy, season 1
17. Angel, season 4
18. Dollhouse, season 2
19. Dollhouse, season 1
20. Buffy, the movie
I cannot rank Cabin and the Avengers because I haven't seen either. I was extremely disappointed in Dollhouse and the movie wasn't Joss.
Calledon | May 02, 12:14 CET
Jackal | May 02, 12:18 CET
TrevorJames | May 02, 12:19 CET
You are actually both correct. The drug addiction was why Glenn Quinn had to leave the show, but Joss had always wanted to kill a "main" character off early in the run of one of his programmes (see the fairly limp attempt to do this in Buffy with Jessy.) The later of these was the publicly announced reason at the time, but the full story has come out since.
You can hear Tim Minear talk about it on episode 9 of RedemptionCast (http://redemptioncast.blogspot.co.uk/), where he talks with fans and first time watchers about Hero. It comes very early on, but the full thing is worth a listen. You should also listen to the episode after it, which is a fantastic spoiler filled Q&A session with Tim about all of Angel.
Vandelay | May 02, 12:35 CET
5
7
3 & 6
4
2
1
Now, in actual fact , going by how I feel about them, I guess based on the arcs and the characters involved, I would rank them, favourite to least favourite:
3....2....no, 3....no, 2... oh i don't know!!
5
6 (1st half anyway)
1
4
7 last which is odd considering it's 2nd in my ratings list! I really, really don't like the Potentials, basically.
The Initiative and Riley spoils season 4 for me, although there is some good stuff in there too, and I love season 6's theme, Willow's arc, how Buffy's depression is dealt with, but the second half does dip considerably.
Season 3, what can I say, Faith, the Mayor, Angel...but season 2 - Spike & Dru, Angel/Angelus, need i say more? ohhhh i want to watch it all again already!! Season 1 is the weakest season but is so much light hearted fun.
PurpleSerenity | May 02, 12:39 CET
[ edited by darknight814 on 2012-05-02 21:48 ]
darknight814 | May 02, 12:40 CET
Then again, I agree with darknight14 pointing out Fray and Sugarshock should have been on the lst along with the Serenity comic books. Then again, how about the Dollhouse ocmic books?
impalergeneral | May 02, 12:42 CET
fray-adjacent | May 02, 13:02 CET
When considering his most recent projects, I liked Avengers more than Cabin.
Nathan | May 02, 13:04 CET
MarchNowish Madness Bracket to determine the One True List.Emmie | May 02, 13:10 CET
lottalettuce | May 02, 13:18 CET
GreatMuppetyOdin | May 02, 13:47 CET
Pointy | May 02, 13:50 CET
Nebula1400 | May 02, 14:00 CET
redeem147 | May 02, 14:58 CET
Even if one disagrees with his choices and ordering, I think this list accomplishes that, because it includes a variety of media, lists projects that a non-fan would not have heard of, rates the TV shows season by season, and gives reasons for the writer's preferences.
janef | May 02, 15:58 CET
Does this make sense? I'd rate Firefly higher than any single season of Buffy even though I like the shows about the same. The same holds true for Dollhouse.
Like With Pie | May 02, 16:25 CET
Per-zackly. Plus, I agree w/ Sunfire that the absence of Sugarshock clearly indicates the work of powerful Viking enemies. (Full disclosure: I am a Viking.)
Also: probably Soulless Squirrels, as well. (Fuller disclosure: I may possibly be a Soulless Squirrel.)
I add my thanks to Vandelay for the spiffy link to RedemptionCast.
QuoterGal | May 02, 16:50 CET
PuppetDoug | May 02, 17:17 CET
Buffy:
Season 3> Season 5> Season 2> Season 4> Season 6> Season 7> Season 1
Angel:
Season 3>Season 2>Season 5>Season 1>Season 4
As whole bigger "properties":
Buffy>Angel>Firefly>Serenity>Dr. Horrible>Dollhouse
PurpleSerenity, I agree with you on three things: Making those spreadsheets is geeky and so much fun, I love arcs of seasons I like least and vice-versa, and I want to rewatch now!
[ edited by CaptainB on 2012-05-03 02:45 ]
CaptainB | May 02, 17:42 CET
'nuff said.
Djungelurban | May 02, 18:45 CET
CrystalSC | May 02, 19:22 CET
I am surprised that he didn't include other random comics that Joss wrote, like the little bit in Superman/Batman #26, in order to, y'know, push 'Dollhouse' and 'Firefly' down a little lower.
Risch22 | May 02, 21:27 CET
I absolutely LOVE Firefly & Serenity to the point where my heart breaks and I well up every time I watch it. I watched the (real) pilot the other day and I cannot believe Fox made them write another. It's genius, it has everything. I've deleted a bit of a Browncoat rant here with much restraint...
I'm a huge Buffy fan too, I cannot choose between the two, but I suspect if Firefly had had 7 seasons too I would have chosen it as the better show. Trouble is, we will never know whether it would have jumped the shark or whether it would have been consistent and solid, do we? All I know is, there is not a weak episode among the first 14, whereas Buffy's Season 1 is its weakest, so who knows where we would have gone with it?!
PurpleSerenity | May 03, 00:15 CET
*I am the one fan in the world who hates season 5.
erendis | June 22, 14:45 CET