Why Buffy should be released on Blu-ray.
Monster Popcorn sets forth its case.
Btw Angel Season 5 HD is available for download at iTunes and Amazon.com and the Buffy Season 8 Motion Comics can be bought on Blu-ray.
May 22 2012
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I hope I'm wrong. I would love to see Buffy in HD glory.
sumogrip | May 22, 14:19 CET
Andy Dufresne | May 22, 14:31 CET
Giles_314 | May 22, 14:31 CET
blackmarketbeagle | May 22, 14:52 CET
If the Firefly set is anything to go by, it may simply be that these elements no longer exist or they're just too costly to re-render/re-composite, because let's face it, Firefly's made some money on home video and there are only a cable TV season-worth of episodes. Any shots without effects looked lovely on the Blu-ray, but it was jarring when there was an effects shot.
What's happening with the Star Trek: The Next Generation release is absolutely amazing, and I'd love to see it happen for Buffy, but CBS is taking a chance. On a proven money-maker, sure, but still. Maybe if it's a success, the value will be seen in remastering shows like Buffy. That'd be seriously exciting.
I've been wondering about season five of Angel. It was aired in HD -- possibly 1080i, but I can deal -- so we really could have a Blu-ray set of that please, 20th Century Fox Television. :)
The First Weevil | May 22, 14:58 CET
I don't suppose it's ever likely to happen, but what I would really love to see is a whole new bunch of special features, especially more commentaries.
allthingsaverage | May 22, 15:23 CET
faith in Angel | May 22, 15:29 CET
Same issues exist with the 'not shot for / not meant to be seen in' issues that plagued the widescreen Buffy sets.
Both the iTunes store and Playstation store offer season 5 of the show in HD - iTunes is 720p, Playstation store is 1080p.
However, I bought an episode off of both stores and the 720p iTunes encode was better than the 1080p Playstation store encode, because the Playstation store's encode was full of compression artifacts because it suffered from a low bitrate.
Also, it was EXACTLY like the Firefly Blu-ray, in that all the visual effects shots were rendered in standard definition. Therefore when you see an effects shot (like a vampire facial transition) in the middle of a scene, it goes back and forth between HD and SD sometimes within the same scene. It's not too distracting (and I have a 50" plasma so I'm seeing all details to notice) but more that the image becomes softer as the result of the lower resolution.
There are instances where they seem to have left entire scenes in SD all because of one small effects shot, though.
The L.A. night cityscape shots are alive with film grain and noise, though.
Buffy would benefit from a 1080p Blu-ray encode because it would better preserve that initial 2-season 16mm image better than DVD could.
Grainy, of course. Less detail, of course. Worth it? Of course. ANGEL would obviously benefit more, since it's a more cinematic looking show that in later seasons actually took advantage of the wider 16:9 framing, but hell, any television series would benefit from an HD upgrade for home release.
Season 1 of "The OC" can occasionally be seen in reruns in HD, and it too was shot in 16mm for that first season. Grainy as all hell, but better than standard definition anyway. It's just a good way of preserving the source.
NL197 | May 22, 16:13 CET
As for Buffy and season 1 of Angel, if they could remaster it as nicely as the HD releases of the original series of Star Trek was handled, I'd definitely consider buying them on blu-ray.
archon | May 22, 16:15 CET
Seasons 1 and 2 of ANGEL are exactly the same as seasons 4 through 7 of Buffy, in that they are all shot for 4:3, but the framing was 'opened up' to a wider 16:9 image. Season 2 just doesn't have as many issues, though there are ruined in-camera effects of Angel reflecting in mirrors, pillarboxed scene transitions, crew members, etc. Just not to the extent of season 1.
I guess in the years since the DVDs came out, they must've gone back and made widescreen masters for season 1, since Hulu and Netflix, iTunes, etc, etc have played them that way. I recall when the UK sets came out Fox said the widescreen season 1 masters weren't available but made them for season 2, and of course Whedon had more control over the American counterparts and approved it for season 2 here in Region 1 land.
Secondary cameras (I'm assuming for close-ups) can be seen in 'Lonely Heart', where Angel is thrown into a corner and you can see the cameraman's hands as they close in with a close-up of Angel recovering from that throw. Also in 'The Bachelor Party' with the establishing shot of the Straley family's dining table where they're eating and discussing party plans. A camera is on the right side of the frame.
Light stands, frame edges, a reflection of the camera crew in the windows Angel kicked Russell Winters out of in the pilot 'City Of', are something of a norm for that season in widescreen. As for Buffy...well the entire opening of 'Bargaining' in the cemetery is pretty funny especially with that cool camera move up to Willow standing on top of the mausoleum. Equipment everywhere around the edges but Buffy's widescreen gaffes are more well-known after all these years of being on the UK DVDs.
Also, no 'Previously On...' no deal.
Dammit.
NL197 | May 22, 16:31 CET
The First Weevil | May 22, 16:55 CET
OlderWiserNot | May 22, 18:21 CET
will.bueche | May 22, 18:26 CET
sumogrip | May 22, 18:30 CET
NL197-I always wanted Previously ons when introducing newbies via DVDs, but found it absolutely disappointing for "the Gift."
CaptainB | May 22, 18:34 CET
Actually, there's something pretty important worth mentioning while we're at it: historical preservation. Would be a pretty darn good idea to get the prints (and effects elements) scanned at 4K sooner rather than later to make sure they're around not just for the rest of our lives but for future generations, eh.
CaptainB, the re-rendered original visual effects shots would probably look pretty lame, actually, but they wouldn't be soft, lacking in detail and kinda jarring when intercut with re-scanned film elements. Haha.
[ edited by The First Weevil on 2012-05-23 03:49 ]
The First Weevil | May 22, 18:45 CET
About having to upscale the effects: In a single effects shot it may be possible to have most of the image in HD but to have the portion of the frame that contains effects to be upscaled. It isn't straightforward - it would take a lot of work to match up the two different elements. This "hybrid" method hasn't been tried yet as far as I know, but I heard about it years ago as something to be considered for programs with limited effects.
will.bueche | May 22, 19:41 CET
http://whedonesque.com/comments/24071
kungfubear | May 22, 19:57 CET
CaptainB | May 23, 02:25 CET
Personal anecdote: I used to fall asleep to Buffy season 4 on DVD (my favorite season when it comes to individual episodes if not overall story arc, yes I'm odd), which is why a small snippet of the Hush theme is permanently seared into my brain forever.
ChuckBuried | May 23, 02:56 CET
http://www.quadruplez.com/2010/06/essay-why-buffy-may-never-be-blu/
However I would LOVE to get a 'Once More with Feeling' Bluray, I feel that's a little more of a realistic ambition, although still unlikely.
Kzap | May 23, 04:08 CET
Hey there S4 buddy! I feel the same way (I also started the series on reruns at the beginning of S4 so it has a special place in my heart for that).
Gosh I hope they do release Buffy -and Angel- on Blu-ray. I will spend ALL the money. I am just finding out in this article that you can see Buffy in THE WIDE on netflics (with some issues) so I will have to check that out!
Angelus5150 | May 23, 08:24 CET
Plus, this isn't like Star Trek or early seasons of The Next Generation. All of these effects on Buffy were done on computer, not film and composited. The two Star Trek shows had model ships and planets shot on film. Those are what make up elements needed to re-composite effects in HD. Buffy, Angel and Firefly all had CGI and video transitions done entirely with software. That's why Firefly and Angel season 5 were a mixture of HD and SD for their releases.
NL197 | May 23, 11:48 CET