February 13 2004
Michelle Trachtenberg interview.
""I love "Buffy " but I felt like every year, my character got younger as I got older. The scripts even had me speaking grammatically incorrect." (interview on page 11, pdf reader required)
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Oh the irony :)
davorg | February 13, 15:42 CET
Arwen | February 13, 16:47 CET
Way to love the fans, Michelle. You know, the people that were gonna support you, and follow your career? Nah, now we have to go suck it up and buy Buffy DVDs, sorry.
I am just baffled at the "speaking gramatically incorrect" thing. Absolutely mystified. Apparently Dawn should have been the only one on the show that rejects the entire slang and manner of speaking... in order to show... her age...?
Cole Searr | February 13, 17:46 CET
So she wants to produce eh? Even budding producers would have gotten the whole grammatical thing.
herb | February 13, 18:09 CET
Best news I've heard all week.
Insulting the writers and the fans isn't going to help her producing "career".
prufrock | February 13, 18:37 CET
Caroline | February 13, 18:42 CET
If Michelle feels she's grown up so much, perhaps she might realise that being a grown up involves being considerate to those who support you.
cleverlittleslayer | February 13, 18:45 CET
The one fun thing is that I have no doubt that the journalist/editor knew the irony of the "had me speaking grammatically incorrect." Someone was chortling as this thing went to press.
phlebotinin | February 13, 18:50 CET
Simon | February 13, 19:01 CET
I don't see the "suck it up" as an insult to the fans. I'm certainly not insulted. I think the commercials for "Euro Trip" looks absolutely awful and unfunny, but I don't think Trachtenbeg was dissing anybody. She's out there promoting a teen sex comedy. She can hardly be faulted for trying to distance herself a little from the bratty younger sister role, at least for the sake of publicity. She's being honest, not badmouthing the show or the fans.
[ edited by unreality on 2004-02-13 17:05 ]
unreality | February 13, 19:02 CET
lala | February 13, 19:03 CET
I can understand the comments a bit about her character seeming younger because my daughter who is the same age in real life as Dawn used to get quite annoyed by how bratty and immature they sometimes had Dawn act. But in the seventh season my daughter was really pleased with how they were presenting Dawn so I don't get where she, MT, could really feel that they made her character less mature. I thought the character of Dawn showed a lot of maturity in the last season.
Again, this is one interview that came across very badly so let's wait and see if this becomes a trend with her. I'm just keeping in mind that she's still very young and just might be trying to sound more grown up.
It also must've been hard to come on to such a great show with such highly respected actresses such as SMG and Alyson Hannigan who both get so much attention without seeking it out. You don't see either of them out there trying sell themselves. They just don't have too. She might just be trying to get some attention for herself, to distance herself and just everything she said trying to sound more mature came out sounding really juvenille. She's been getting a lot of attention lately for her upcoming movie and she just might not have the skills to really handle it. I agree with Simon that her Publicist should stick close so she doesn't open her mouth and insert her foot again.
Firefly Flanatic | February 13, 19:23 CET
With Dawn, however, she was stuck in a perpetual childhood, even though she was at the same age Buffy was when she starting slaying. I could accept it in season 5, even for season 6, but for the entire season 7 to have her still be petulant and in the background was silly. Trachtenburg is pointing out that the writers made her speak like a child, instead of the adult or at least teen that she was becoming.
brother_grady | February 13, 19:32 CET
marmoset | February 13, 20:06 CET
Has anyone ever seen the Q&A that Joss, Marti, Alyson, James, Nick, Michelle, etc did? It's on one of the DVD boxes. It's at the end of S6 and Joss lets everyone know in S7 the school will be rebuilt and Dawn will go to that very High School over the hellmouth. And Michelle, throughout the session keeps half joking about how imature Dawn is and how she doesn't want anymore 'Kill Dawn!"- emails (poor girl, I can see how getting those mails is less than pleasant) and how she should stop whining.
Joss jokes "You're right. I think this year she'll do some moping..."
But the funniest part to me was how again and again she said to Joss "So, can I wear high heels next season? Dawn should wear high heels." "So Joss, I can wear boots with high heels right?" "I hope I get to wear heels next season" etc.
The same kind of funny I see in this interview. In her zest to be more adult in her roles she actually sounds like such a little girl that wants to be a big girl, hehe. I mean come on. More maturity in roles, and she starrs in this 'Eurotrip' movie?? How is this more mature than Buffy in any possible way??
But like I said I really doubt she meant to sound insulting or anything.
EdDantes | February 13, 20:29 CET
You folks are really the minority.
Michelle has a point -- she wanted her character to grow up and she was held back.
Everyone else on the show got to mature -- she didn't.
The witers wanted her to be little cute Dawnie.
I'm guessing she wanted no part of this, and for her trouble her lines and scenes were cut and you all act like your offended and are in denial of this.
Michelle has grown up beautifully right before our eyes.
Dawn was ragged on by her critics for three years and some of you are still ragging.
It looks like some of you need to grow up.
ohnjaye | February 13, 20:34 CET
[ edited by melsta on 2004-02-13 18:43 ]
melsta | February 13, 20:40 CET
Caroline | February 13, 20:41 CET
nightingale | February 13, 20:43 CET
She seems like a very nice girl, that didn't quite have the experience she wanted to have on Buffy, and is now rebelling against her childhood success a bit.
ringworm | February 13, 20:45 CET
... I can't take anyone whose only thought is 'I wanna wear heels' too seriously though. (Though I make an exception for Bono.)
Caroline | February 13, 20:46 CET
Michelle and Dawn have a lot of critics and as you can tell I'm not one of them.
Michelle has been a shining star ever since Harriett the Spy and Pete and Pete, and even then showed the maturity that older actors lack to this day.
When Michelle joined BTVS, she gave it a much-needed kick after we spent Season 4 with the Initiative.
So forgive her if she has an attitude now.
I wish folks would get off her back.
I'm sorry you felt like I was attacking some folks, but I feel it is one of my missions to defend Michelle here and stand up for Dawn.
I guess we will never know about what is going to happen with the Key -- it looks like that loose end will never get tied up.
ohnjaye | February 13, 20:50 CET
ringworm | February 13, 21:18 CET
It's because of this that I was shocked by what she said, or seemed to have said. Maybe others are right and the tone wasn't how I first thought.
I do think, though, that Michelle's telling a bit of a porky about not wanting to continue as Dawn, or in the Buffyverse, as she so clearly did during interviews in season 7.
cleverlittleslayer | February 13, 21:20 CET
nightingale | February 13, 21:22 CET
melsta | February 13, 21:31 CET
[ edited by Rhaegar on 2004-02-13 19:39 ]
Rhaegar | February 13, 21:38 CET
it's great that Michelle has such an avid supporter in you. We should all be so lucky! And as you're one of her most avid supporters, I can understand why you'd be upset reading less-than-positive responses to Michelle's interview. However, responding as you did doesn't advance your case. "It looks like some of you need to grow up." Hmmm. That kind of statement turns people off -- it doesn't change minds or hearts.
When I read Michelle's interview it annoyed me. It seemed rude. After reading what blwessels and various other folks wrote in their level-headed, diplomatic assessments, I'm no longer bothered. They made some convincing points which changed my mind in terms of the interview and especially how it might have been presented. I do think Michelle needs to learn to perhaps be a bit more diplomatic in her interviews, because with artful editing and the opaqueness of the printed page, original meanings can get altered, to negative effect.
But as someone who has always liked Michelle and the character of Dawn, I am certainly willing to back off. Anyway, the calm, well-reasoned support of Michelle shown by some of the posters above might be the best way to support Michelle. Just my opinion, anyway. I do, however, applaud your sticking by her.
phlebotinin | February 13, 21:42 CET
Rebecca | February 13, 21:53 CET
Why? Why Joss? What did I ever do to you?
Allyson | February 13, 22:04 CET
nightingale | February 13, 22:07 CET
marmoset | February 13, 22:21 CET
By the way, you don't have to hit *enter* after every sentence. Only after a paragraph. Just a tip.
Caroline | February 13, 22:22 CET
prufrock | February 13, 22:37 CET
I'm a grammatical idiot so the irony of her saying 'The scripts even had me speaking grammatically incorrect' is lost on me. Granted, something about the sentence seems wrong, but where's the mistake? How should it have been said? (I obviously have no problem admitting I don't know something, then taking the time to learn about it.)
Greyflowers | February 13, 23:23 CET
She should have said ".....even had me speaking grammatically incorrectly." (In the sentence she used, "incorrectly" is an adverb which is used to modify another adverb, "grammatically." To say "incorrect," as she did, is wrong, because it is not in adverbial form.)
I think I'm right! But you never know with me. Hopefully someone else will chime in, too.
phlebotinin | February 13, 23:35 CET
Actually, it would have been better if she had said nothing at all.
prufrock | February 13, 23:39 CET
A lot of fans do complain about the character of Dawn but I've always thought her character added a lot to Buffy. I thought it was a brilliant idea the way they brought her on. I loved the relationship between her and Buffy and you really felt like they had been sisters always. I loved that Buffy had someone to love after her mother died and someone to live for when she came back. I think the writers did a disservice to Dawn with over doing the shrieking teenager bit but MT played did an excellent job in the role.
And yes, I too would've loved to have had more done with "the Key" storyline and I do feel that was something they just didn't follow through on. But maybe someday this will be resolved on Angel, a spin-off, or a movie.
I think this must be a tough time for all the cast of BtVS where they are off trying to succeed doing new things and maybe in their desire to build their careers they may unintentionally say the wrong thing here and there trying to distance themselves from BtVS. I just wish them all well and I'm just thrilled to have had the opportunity to watch their fine performances on BtVS.
Allyson - LOL - loved your comment! I didn't resent Dawn but I definitely never liked Oliver or Scrappy Doo!
Firefly Flanatic | February 13, 23:40 CET
I personally don't give much of a hang about grammar. Language is fluid, it changes, things morph, whatever. I am no fan of language nazism. It's only when people put down other peoples' grammar and, while doing so, make an error of their own, that I'm tempted to point it out.
phlebotinin | February 13, 23:44 CET
I hasten to add that I genuinely liked Dawn as a character -- much like Connor on Angel, I think she was a character we were supposed to dislike at times, which can't always be easy or fun to pull off for an actor. However, she wasn't by any stretch my favorite character, and I'm not defending Trachtenbeg for that reason. I'm doing so because I honestly don't see how this interview is any big deal or a snub against the fans.
unreality | February 14, 00:00 CET
phlebotinin | February 14, 00:14 CET
And now onto the interview: The excuse that she's just 19 doesn't fly with me. I'm 19, and she is the type that gives 19-year old's bad names. It's sad to see that since Buffy ended, MT has been all about shock value and not at all about substance. Interviews and photographs for her have become a way to show some sort of rebellious nature, wearing low cut mini-dresses, too much makeup and constantly mugging for the camera. This isn't rebellion, sweetie, of a 19-year old, and certainly not shocking. Just...disappointing. I do hope she gets out of this phase sometime soon before burning all her bridges. And you know, she'll figure out that she may actually have talent behind that young body she's so proud of. Cause if i have to see that "Eurotrip" commericial one more time...
Overall, though, i don't think this article came off terribly. She sounds young, younger than she thinks she is, and a bit more dismissive of Buffy fans than I think we're used to. Usually the other actors, writers, etc., are at least more grateful to the audience and such, but I honestly don't think she's used to this attention and she's still learning how to handle it all, especially these interviews and how not to insult your fanbase.
syd | February 14, 00:21 CET
And I have seen her in interviews speaking quickly and almost tripping over her words, and as everyone does in real life we think of what to say while we're saying it, and our choice of words can change in the middle of the sentence. If someone followed me around with a tape recorder and noted every grammatical error....
Usually print journalists take account of this and correct such errors as a favor to the reader more than the subject, an article full of poor grammar that would be unremarkable in person would be difficult to read in print. I have seen many people who can barely string three words together in real life who appear to be Ivy league schollars in magazines and newspapers!
And her point about the portrayal of Dawn I can agree with as far as S6 goes. In S7 she had matured, if more in the background.
And I think the choice of movies she is making is spot on. She is seen as "little Dawnie" and for the good of her long term career has to change that image. Appearing as a bikini clad babe in a road trip movie will distance herself from the 'little girl' image, while she is also doing a couple of serious roles, in film and on TV, to avoid typecasting. As I have commented before she appears to be the Buffy castmember who's career is taking off the most!
zz9 | February 14, 00:52 CET
The reason we were nitpicking her grammar is that she was complaining about the writers giving her bad grammar to read, while using bad grammar herself to complain about it. That's a delicious irony that some people (like me) find amusing.
Telling fans to "suck it up and just buy the DVDs" strikes me as dismissive and rude. I realize she probably doesn't like a lot of Buffy fans because of all the "Kill Dawn" people, but she should know as a professional that talking back to fans this way always leads to a backlash, whether said in jest or not.
prufrock | February 14, 01:04 CET
zz9 | February 14, 02:28 CET
Simon | February 14, 02:51 CET
Firefly Flanatic | February 14, 02:58 CET
Or did he paraphrase what he said to her? Just goes to show you can't take everything at face value.
zz9 | February 14, 03:54 CET
Amberina | February 14, 04:24 CET
I loved Dawn. I wouldnt have changed a single thing about her. I liked the way she was written, and I liked the way she was played. I'm also a fan of Michelle Tractenburg, and will probably follow her career for a while.
I'm just really baffled at her behavior to distance herself from the show, because I really viewed her as one of us... a fan of the show. Now she's acting like it was just an unsatisfying job to her, that didnt let her be sexy enough.
Cole Searr | February 14, 04:34 CET
I think Whedon did originally have plans for Dawn, but with all the negative reaction from fans scrapped the idea, and she joined Xander,Giles and Anya in the characters we don't care about anymore file at ME.
And someone mentioned other actors from the show speaking out, I believe here recentaly Nicholas Brendon commented he wasn't happy about how Xander was pushed into the background, Emma Caulfield made comments about her character not getting any arc on Stern if I remember right, and I also think Amber Benson made some comments about her not liking how Tara was killed as well,so she isn't the first to make some negative comments on her character treatment on Buffy.
[ edited by Nuke on 2004-02-14 02:38 ]
Nuke | February 14, 04:37 CET
AngelicSlayer | February 14, 04:47 CET
While it is edited to look like a transcript, it is unlikely to be anything close (in fact, I'd bet the "interview" was written by taking quotes from the press kit for "Eurotrip" or whatever it's called).
braingarage | February 14, 04:56 CET
I still say she's young and not very well interview trained yet. Apart from her own grammatical error in her complaint about the grammatical errors in the text: she's a bit silly no matter how she says it. Most of the 'grammatically incorrect' writing on Buffy was deliberate play with langauge.
And as I said, she complains a bit that Buffy wasn't mature enough and then goes on to do 'Eurotrip'......oookay.
I also still say Dawn did mature. The little imp with ice cream on her face in S5 and the confident young woman that goes to battle besides Buffy in S6 are not the same in terms of maturity. But it was a side role. It's as simple as that.
Ah she's young. We'll see how she goes. I hope she does well, but she should try to do other stuff than this if she wants a long career.
EdDantes | February 14, 14:00 CET
Tracy | February 14, 18:55 CET
It's funny that when Amber Benson, Emma Caulfield, Nicholas Brendon and even Sarah Michelle Gellar have expressed some similar negative feelings about the show, those remarks are dismissed rather quickly,
But people cannot seem to cut Michelle any slack.
There seems to be a double standard here.
ohnjaye | February 15, 01:37 CET
silverstar | February 15, 03:40 CET