(SPOILER)
The End of Angel.
David Greenwalt says that Angel will not be renewed. Only general spoilers for next week (if you've seen the promo, it's safe).
"Joss and [executive producer] Jeff Bell told the cast and crew today. We have no understanding of the inner workings of the corporate world, but we've had a long and fruitful relationship with [producing studio] 20th Century Fox and The WB, for which we grateful. We just wish it could have gone on forever. Apparently, it's not going to.
I am totally heartbroken.
February 13 2004
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txvoodoo | February 13, 20:24 CET
Whole weekend is ruined. Must go off to pout and eat ice cream now.
miss_tress | February 13, 20:30 CET
chikaze | February 13, 20:34 CET
It's a sad sad day in the Jossverse. *cries*
electricspacegirl | February 13, 20:42 CET
TheJoyofZeppo | February 13, 20:45 CET
cranberrie | February 13, 20:56 CET
narky | February 13, 20:58 CET
Allyson | February 13, 21:06 CET
This is so sad. I don't think I can handle not having Joss shows on TV.
*cries*
StarFaith | February 13, 21:08 CET
Yet lesser shows get renewed just as quickly......amazing....the execs are clueless. I hope whatever they replace Angel with flops mercilessly.....but I'm not bitter.
Rogue Slayer | February 13, 21:09 CET
i refuse to believe it, i refuse to believe it, i refuse to believe it. its just so sudden and that's very strange for jossverse.
-sobs-
buffyfanatic18 | February 13, 21:10 CET
TotalNirvana | February 13, 21:10 CET
Elo | February 13, 21:22 CET
marmoset | February 13, 21:22 CET
marmoset | February 13, 21:24 CET
http://thewb.com/PressRelease/Index/0,8341,156980,00.html
I'll be in the other room savoring my season 3 dvd's until I hear some good news...
optimistic34 | February 13, 21:24 CET
It's all so sudden. I was actually pretty optimistic about renewal this season, too--things really seemed to be looking up lately. And if the rumors I heard are actually true, that it was a WB decision between renewal for either "Angel" or "One Tree Hill?" Well, now I have another reason to hate jocks.
I'm usually not all "Take a stand" about these kinds of things, but if there's some kind of campaign, I'm in. Should I start loading up on Tabasco sauce or something?
VampiresSuckLOLOLGetIt | February 13, 21:24 CET
Allyson | February 13, 21:26 CET
RavenU | February 13, 21:28 CET
Prosperina | February 13, 21:31 CET
Elo | February 13, 21:40 CET
VampiresSuckLOLOLGetIt | February 13, 22:02 CET
BlindHawkeyes | February 13, 22:05 CET
MindPieces | February 13, 22:17 CET
They wanna broadcast cheaper programming to improve their profits? Fine. We gotta hit them where it hurts: their profit margin. Buffy and Firefly might have been forgivable, but Angel too? Postcards and emails and petitions and cute expensive full page ads in Variety are not proving to the networks that we mean business.
Or as Gunn might say, we don't drop our guard. They popped a fang. Thwack them where it hurts. Take back the night.
ZachsMind | February 13, 22:25 CET
It's time for us to accept the fact that we all knew sooner or later The WB just wasn't going to keep Angel on the air much longer. We all tied to deny it but we knew deep down that it was true. And what was fortold... what has been prophecized has now come to pass. I say that we all try and make the best of a very bad and terrible thing that affects us all. Angel will go out this year. I've accepted that. Let's just make sure that it goes out with a big mother fucking BANG!
SpikeBad | February 13, 22:35 CET
The irony of it all! I was just about to log off my comp. to go watch a taped copy of this past week's ep. of One Tree Hill when I ran into this news.
I am so completely in shock. Mourning. Much mourning. And anger. More anger. We need to do something--whatever it takes.
riaspark17 | February 13, 22:37 CET
I really think if suddenly large numbers of their viewers just stop watching other shows on their network because of their decision to dump Angel they'll get a huge message from that alone, especially if the only show that shows consistent numbers is Angel and all the others ratings drop.
Firefly Flanatic | February 13, 22:39 CET
Way to turn me into the stereotypical "angry teen" in the matter of an hour, WB. I was doing so well, too. In my 19 years of living, I've only written one piece of awful angst-filled poetry. Time for me to go make that two.
VampiresSuckLOLOLGetIt | February 13, 22:59 CET
Wow I can't believe it. I thought it would've been on the bubble at least! And did you guys read that BS announcement? Praising it to high heaven, one of the cornerstones of the network, classic TV...and therefore it DESERVES to be ended.....wtf!!?? F$@$@*(#*)%$@$_ network numbnutses3%^*@#$
Well it's heart warming and amazing to see hoe quick the response is, and how big. The petition thing is exploding....won't help of course but...
DAMN!!! I watch practically nothing else. Dear lord, Charmed got renewed?? That piece of shit show? That cheap Buffy rip off for bimbos?? AGHHH do I sound BITTER!?? Or One Tree Hill? Otherwise known as "I can't believe it's not Dawson's Creek'??? WTF!? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD!@
Pant pant....ok I know I'm ranting.....Ah damn.
Audience: "But....where shall we go? What shall we do??"
WB: "Frankly we don't give a damn."
Say, anyone believe that TV movie deal they were talking about? Was that just dangling a cookie in front of our noses?
EdDantes | February 13, 22:59 CET
Blwessels -- I do understand your point, but I don't think it would do much good in most of our cases. I don't have a Nielsen box (since, ya know, only like .5% of Americans do and they get to dictate what WE ALL watch!!), so if I stop watching Gilmore Girls (the only other thing worth watching on this evil network) it's not going to help anyone. Besides, I don't want poor Jane Espenson and Danny Strong to be out of work too.
MindPieces | February 13, 23:22 CET
Seriously, this is so ironic because I didn't even start watching the WB until I started watching Angel. Because of Angel, I saw ads for other shows that looked interesting like Smallville and Everwood. So I started watching those shows. Now it's the main network I watch. And that's all because of Angel.
I'm so mad right now I could scream. I've been frantically getting the word and circulating the petition site but I wish there was more I could do. I am in shock and denial thinking maybe another network will pick it up or Joss will start working on a spinoff. Is that too much to hope for? I just can't believe this is happening. I truly believed Angel had a good chance at being renewed. I guess I was being naive.
Coincidentally, I just received my Angel season 3 DVDs today so I'm going to go have an Angel marathon and cry my eyes out.
electricspacegirl | February 13, 23:24 CET
Wow, this really sucks. And then it's gone.
I hope the WB boils in its own filth! After Angel is gone, they'll certainly have plenty of it to wallow in.
punkinpuss | February 13, 23:30 CET
Everyone should go and sign the petition though and that other link that has the e-mail address and snail mail address of the WB and voice your views that way. The little Nielsen box only tells so much but being bombarded with e-mails and letters of protest might make a difference.
Firefly Flanatic | February 13, 23:30 CET
I can't join y'all on the Charmed bashing though, cuz Rose McGowan is a major babe and a half. I'd wash her feet in a hearbeat, ah tell ya whut.
ZachsMind | February 13, 23:40 CET
This is ending way before its time, this isn't fair.. ahh i need to go watch Angel season 2 now. (i'm too poor for season 3!)...:*(
tvmoobunny | February 13, 23:45 CET
Also, has the WB ever done made-for-network movies before? Would Angel be the first, providing they are even telling the truth about that?
NOLA64 | February 13, 23:55 CET
20TH HOME VIDEO:
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E-mail Address: foxmovies@fox.com
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P.O. BOX 900
BEVERLY HILLS, CA 90213-0900
RavenU | February 13, 23:57 CET
Stakeholder, I'm right there with you.
So much for good thoughts before going to sleep.
I'm just... in shock. Complete denial. Being hopeful, maybe another network will pick it up. Or maybe we'll get a Buffyverse movie that finishes a lot of things. Whatever it is, it can't end here... it just can't.
Greyflowers | February 14, 00:07 CET
phlebotinin | February 14, 00:09 CET
Tracy | February 14, 00:33 CET
RavenU | February 14, 01:00 CET
I have no idea what kind of show that would be considered. Is that syndicated or is there another term? So sorry if that was all a jumble and made no sense. Besides... it's late and I should be sleeping.
Greyflowers | February 14, 01:16 CET
RavenU | February 14, 01:33 CET
t r a c y | February 14, 02:01 CET
Remember when Buffy ended on the WB they pretended it was ending completly, even their promos gave that impression. Hence the wording of the WB release giving the very clear impression that it's "The end" should not be taken as cast in stone.
So as we seem to have their decision coming suddenly, as opposed to the drawn out bidding war of BtVS, it's no suprise no one has had time to consider a move but I'd be suprised if phone calls weren't flying around soon enough. A move would be the most likely way for the show to continue.
[ edited by zz9 on 2004-02-14 09:27 ]
zz9 | February 14, 02:20 CET
Also, I've heard on the commercials for the 'Xena' DVD boxes that it was 'one of the highest rated tv shows ever'. And I have to doubt that. Highest ever, that's 'MASH', 'Cheers', 'ER', 'Seinfeld' and 'Friends', 'Law and Order' and the like. If 'Xena' had those numbers, I'd say she'd still be on the air. I thought the Herc/Xena shows were like the Buffy/Angel ones: popular, and definitely household names, but also still cult in the sense that it didn't get the really high ratings. I could be wrong, but....
And 'Andromeda' is still on? Had no idea. And everyone is going on about UPN being a contender to take AtS over. Sorry, that's never going to happen. They were trying something out with Buffy and since they cancelled that they went a totally different direction as a channel. (Sometimes I get the impression that badly written 'black' sitcoms is all they have anymore!)
I was wondering about the Sci Fi channel myself but they probably couldn't afford Angel. Most of their stuff is rerunning of old shows (funny to see Buck Rogers again after all these years. Erin Gray in her spandex uniform. Yum. Good nostalgia...AHEM anyway...)
I know 'Stargate' is one of their few originals and it's doing well, and Joss offered them 'Firefly' which they felt was 'too science fictiony' apparently. (Huh?) But they also have shows like 'Highlander' rerunning, which is more fantasy.....I don't know. Is it possible they'd pick up Angel? Probably not.
EdDantes | February 14, 02:47 CET
Simon | February 14, 03:13 CET
First Run syn - is basically that - the show is in it's first airing on television. FRSs are sold directly to affilate stations and have no connection to any network broadcast or cable and the only control comes from the studio producing the show. They are harder shows to track ratings wise do to the fact that they do not have the same air day and time as network based shows do. Second Run syn - is the reruns - the shows that have aired on a network previously and there for are not as profitable as there FRS counterparts.
As for Xena and Herc being highest rated - they were in FRS - Xena especially would constantly win whatever timeslot it was placed in but since it was never shown on the same night or time across the country there was no real way to track it and the Nielsens didn't really release the numbers locally - on a daily basis - they release only the national numbers that way. That's why you only see syns reported weekly and the numbers are misleading since they are going by national rankings which makes the numbers seem lower than what they would actually end up being in the monthly report since it may not have been shown in all of the top markets for that week. Confusing much??? :) That's why the Nielsens suck as a rating system.
Also BTVS was not cancelled by UPN - they wanted another season it was the PTB at ME that pulled the plug on BTVS.
As for Sci-Fi don't know if Angel would fit but it wouldn't be the first time - Sliders came from FOX - Stargate came from Showtime - Andromeda came from FRS - so it could happen but I'm not holding out any hope of that since they drop the ball with Farscape and Firefly.
[ edited by RavenU on 2004-02-14 10:25 ]
RavenU | February 14, 03:24 CET
I'd imagine Joss has already started writing at least one spin-off pilot.
I'd imagine he's already started begging Eliza Dushku to leave "Tru".
I'd imagine he's already started telling James Marsters how great an actor he is, kissing ass before he asks him to be in a spinoff (would'nt take much work, from what I've heard James Marsters loves being Spike, if Joss is interested, (I've got 7 episodes of a Spike spinoff written that Joss can buy!)).
I'd imagine he's called SMG to ask her to put in an appearence in the last episode, if she doesn't I will firmly stand by the belief that she couldn't get away from Buffy fast enough, and that she's ashamed of it in someway, that she's a bitch.
I'd imagine he's gone and taken a dump on the front doorstep of the guy in charge of programming at the WB, no wait, I'd imagine he hasnt done that, I just hope he has.
Ghost Spike | February 14, 04:15 CET
RavenU | February 14, 05:59 CET
I will be happy if Angel returns on another network or in "special movie events"; however, if this is the end of the series, I am glad to have had 5 seasons of great storytelling.
I don't know how much of the season has be shot thus far, but hopefully the writers have time to script farewells befitting our favorite characters.
Ubqtous | February 14, 10:21 CET
mai | February 14, 12:59 CET
Coll | February 14, 13:05 CET
Damn. I'd love her to come back. Although I wouldn't want the Buffy character to hijack the wrapping up of Angel, either. The show must pay proper respect to its own history, complexities, and characters. Buffy is merely a part of the much larger Angelverse.
In a weird way, I'd love to see a Charisma Carpenter do something. Although that'd be tricky without undermining her glorious exit in You're Welcome. If anyone can think of a way to show her face without detracting from the story, Joss can.
phlebotinin | February 14, 13:07 CET
RavenU | February 14, 13:54 CET
Or maybe not. Maybe they're just acknowledging DB as great. Which is nice, if it weren't coming in the middle of a cancellation announcment.
phlebotinin | February 14, 14:11 CET
Doubt they'll take Angel though. They're such a different channel now. And yeah Sci Fi certainly is unpredictable. I'd have thought Firefly would've been perfect for them. I saw Joss at the Comicon last year and he said when someone asked if he'd tried to pitch it to Sci Fi "Yeah I did. They said it was too science fictiony for them" Then he pulled a flabbergasted face like 'don't ask me' and scratched his head. It was funny...and sad.
Anyway, I doubt SMG will come since she's clearly shown in her behavior that she couldn't distance herself from Buffy fast enough. I suppose I would want at least some closure on the triangle but I also do agree I don't want Buffy to take over Angel's swan song.
Maybe they could have Giles or Willow do a cameo at least? Argh! I can't believe how much this sucks! When does the hurting stop?
EdDantes | February 14, 15:10 CET
Invisible Green | February 14, 20:06 CET
melsta | February 14, 21:26 CET
[ edited by blwessels on 2004-02-15 04:40 ]
Firefly Flanatic | February 14, 21:39 CET
400lb_Gorilla | February 14, 21:39 CET
marmoset | February 14, 21:41 CET
Invisible Green | February 14, 21:44 CET
pezwitch | February 15, 07:32 CET
Damn.
You never hear about wretched shows like Charmed or anything having to fight for renewal — what the hell kind of lock do they have on success?
That’s the case here in Memphis. We have no real WB affiliate, and for the first four years of its run, Angel was on at midnight on the local ABC station. This year it was moved to the UPN station (both it and the ABC are owned by ClearChannel) at 11:00 PM for a while, but once basketball season started it was shown Saturdays at 8:00. Still not complex enough, once or twice it was even bumped to midght or 1 AM on saturday. And of course local affiliates love to break in for weather, etc, at the drop of a hat. At least after this season I won’t have to sit through the bad local news updates and all that (last night they were doing a story on dangerous bacteria in refilled water bottles).
And I do think this season was really good. They were hitting a stride, and each episode felt more complete, yet they still have the “arc” of the Wolfram & Hart storyline.
Sherman | February 15, 15:35 CET
When I write them a letter expressing my appreciation for airing Angel in our area, I'm going to make sure I add just how grateful I am for these non-interruptions.
Greyflowers | February 15, 16:02 CET
cwlaurie | February 15, 16:02 CET