August 20 2012
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Preview page for Willow # 1.
A first look at the the Willow miniseries on Dark Horse's Facebook page.
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@theonetruebix | August 20, 19:53 CET
anca | August 20, 20:01 CET
Fred_Sonja | August 20, 20:24 CET
Yes, it's like the world is moving toward the dystopian future we saw in "Fray."
pacer | August 20, 21:31 CET
without_passion | August 20, 22:08 CET
I think it all has to do with the Time of Your Life arc. Willow's presence and motive in that arc has yet to be explained and I think it was a move on her part to bring magic back.
We know that the Scythe is instrumental in bringing magic back. We know that Future Willow had magical properties, however minimal. We know that Future Willow was killed using that Scythe. When Future Willow was killed using that Scythe, it caused a large scale mystical reaction. We know that Future Willow orchestrated the whole situation for her to be killed using the Scythe.
I think Future Willow knew exactly what was going to happen with regards to the Seed and she managed to gain some minimal amount of magic that transferred to the Scythe when she died. This magic will somehow allow Present Willow to use the Scythe as the instrument to restore magic. (Perhaps it will be the new Seed, itself?)
What I don't know for certain is what happens in the middle.
Right now, I think a popular theory is that the Frayverse and the Buffyverse actually exist in separate timelines. This is because, at the end of TOYL, it was thought that Fray's world would cease to exist if Buffy returned to the present timelines to prevent all of the events that led to Fray. When Buffy returned, Fray continued to exist. There was even a flash of bright light, that seemed to indicate that perhaps Fray now existed in a different universe, not just in the future.
However, I think it's more likely that they exist in the same universe and that nothing Buffy has done will prevent the Frayverse from coming to pass. At some point, for some reason that we don't know yet, the Slayer line will cease. Magic will return and Zompires will be no more (hence the non-zombie vampires like Icarus).
More importantly, though, Present Willow will eventually realize that it was her future self's sacrifice that allowed magic to be restored to the world.
The biggest question in this is how Future Willow gained the magical properties in the first place. Perhaps Present Willow time jumps at some point? I'm not sure. I'm more interested in whether or not it is our current Willow who is destined to outlive all of her loved ones to thanklessly save the world from what others here have called the "slow Apocalypse."
Knuckleball | August 20, 22:13 CET
Mitholas | August 20, 23:03 CET
lisatwingomez | August 20, 23:34 CET
baxter | August 21, 02:11 CET
DaddyCatALSO | August 21, 03:56 CET
Willow's observations... everything seems less colorful, less inspiring, duller, less vibrant... are really just those of a depressed person. She has made the transference from "I'm depressed" to "the world is wrong."
But, if restoring the Seed will make auto-tune go away, I'm all for it.
AndrewCrossett | August 21, 04:30 CET
A_Leaf | August 21, 05:56 CET
The Slayer line has been destroyed already when the Seed was smashed - by virtue of no magic, no new Slayers can be activated. (See S8I21 Harmony Bites for a Slayer activated post Chosen.)
Present time Willow gained 'magical properties' in Angel and Faith #12. See the issue for details.
Fray timeline became reality after Buffy killed FDW and returned to the past timeline. However Wilow's death did not cause a large scale mystical reaction. It caused timelines re-alignment and stabilization. Thus Fray world preserved.
Large scale mystical reaction was caused by opening the Twilight plane - it was that huge universal event that created ripples in time-space continuum and sealed the Fray future - see ToYL issue #16 for Willow's lecture on the big event in soon to come future that is about to open the time portal. See issue 36 of S8 for the 'origins' of fish-people mutants from Fray. See issue 36 for a flash of Fray holding the Scythe. See issue 31 Turbulence , for the 'ripples' from Twilight hit Willow two days before the event and restore her magic.
dorotea | August 21, 07:41 CET
I just think unfortunately it's a lost plot, or dead and buried. There might be thematical similarities, but it will be done in a way that people who have only read the Willow miniseries won't be confused. I just don't see the writers, already trying to bring up sales and draw a lot of attention, bring up a 4 year old storyline. It seems the only want to move forward at this point.
mark214 | August 21, 09:11 CET
Except that's David Mack mentioned in the interview with the artists drawing the snake-lady on one of Willow's mini covers...
[ edited by dorotea on 2012-08-21 19:12 ]
dorotea | August 21, 10:11 CET
Dana5140 | August 21, 10:16 CET
Well, yes, Saga might appear in flashbacks only.
dorotea | August 21, 10:20 CET
To be honest, the Buffy comics have, in my mind, turned into fanfic now. Joss isn't directly involved, the only reason I perservered so long is because I was so attached to the characters, the actual writing hasn't excited me since mid way through s8. I'm not going to be part of this ride just to end up continually disappointed by the writers not answering questions, getting character voices wrong, and generally just not making interesting stories.
Sorry that this is a negative post when you guys probably want to talk about how much you're looking forward to it. I won't keep doing this.
digupherbones | August 21, 11:01 CET
Although Joss is not as involved as many would like him to be, he still oversees what is happening with these characters. Personally I am grateful that we are still able to enjoy Buffy in an official form, despite the downside of having to wait so long for new information. I know I'll miss it once it's done completely. I do understand your frustrations and remember feeling quite disenchanted during S8 at times.
I hope you can look back on S9 in a while and be able to enjoy it! I'll be sticking it out either way.
without_passion | August 21, 12:36 CET
Well, maybe. This is a business, though. I sort of agree with digupherbones on this.
Dana5140 | August 21, 14:25 CET
Matt7325 | August 21, 16:06 CET
without_passion | August 21, 16:44 CET
As for "tin Of Your Life;" the editors have gone on record as declaring their intention to "support" the Frayverse. Which sounds quite clearly like my own idea (that by seeing the future and then coming back, Buffy changed the dynamic, split Fray off into an alternate dimension, and changed the future) is wrong and that Dr. Joss and His "Bunche" are saying, "You've seen the future, you've seen where this will take Willow, live with it."
[ edited by DaddyCatALSO on 2012-08-22 12:58 ]
DaddyCatALSO | August 22, 03:55 CET