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August 29 2012

Watch the deleted Captain America scene from 'The Avengers'. This also appears on the Blu-ray and the scene has been getting a lot of praise.

Uhh. That voice actor is Joss. I'm 85% sure.
I'll raise that to 99%. :)
Yes, that has to be Joss. Just listen to "Science!" I wish they would put the director's cut version in the theater. I'd gladly sit through all of that. For someone who doesn't know any of the comics, I'm just glad I watched the Captain America movie before Avengers. I almost didn't. This scene would have helped understand him better, and the whole thing with the waitress.
85? 99? Unless someone's been hired to do a perfect impression of Joss doing an impression of an old-timey speaker voice, I'd say it's 100% certainly Joss. I heard it after one word.

ETA: Oh, and I think this is the best deleted scene so far. Whereas the Smulders scene had no place being in the movie and the Ruffalo scene was just as well left out, I think this one might have actually added something valuable to the film. Not something vital, but something resonant enough to warrant being left in.

[ edited by GreatMuppetyOdin on 2012-08-29 20:13 ]
And Peggy has apparently retired to Winchester, which of course is where Joss went to school. Nice touch.
SCIence! Yeah that's definitelly Joss. Also, gotta love Stan's line.
Certainly adds more meaning to the waitress seeing/recognising Steve during the battle.
And clearly Peggy would have seen the battle in NY and known he is alive. Wouldn't she get in touch?
Redders, she may have retired to Winchester but her phone number is a central London one, albeit the UK version of a 555 area code. And with one digit too many.
Yeah, this scene is great. I can understand it being cut in the interests of keeping things moving along, but its pathos is just note-perfect. The Captain America movie was great in precisely this way--the constant sense of unease and melancholy in the character. This scene worked that same vein beautifully.
On the other hand, I didn't hear the voice actor as Joss on a first listen--even with being prompted to do so by the comments.

ETA: On a second listen, that "Science!" is pretty Joss-y.

[ edited by Yoink on 2012-08-29 20:41 ]
I didn't recognize his voice at first, but after reading the comments and listening again, it's definitely him.

This is a great scene. It does fit in with the movie better than the other deleted stuff we've seen so far. I guess it was cut for time, then?
I love this scene.
I knew I had a knack for recognizing voice actors, but I would have thought people around here would know Joss's voice well enough to instantly hear that it's obviously him even though he's putting on an old-timey voice.
Acording to Joss, it was cut because it slowed the getting to the avengers too much and because the boxing scene told us basically the same thing... acording to him, in promotional interviews.
My 85% is just me being cautious. If I'm ever more than confident than that, I'm tempting fate. You people with your 98+% confidence inspire and unnerve me.
Watching this makes me wonder (again), any more news about the extended version showing in theaters?
jperiodrperiod: The "extended version" was never going to be shown in theaters. It was a false rumor based on a misunderstanding of Joss's statement that he believes in putting the director's cut in theaters, which is what he did. The cut you saw in the theater was the cut the director was happy with. That is the extent of it.
Gotta wonder if we won't get a follow-up to this scene in Captain America: Winter Soldier where Peggy gets in touch with Steve...cuz I can see why he's all "I love her but I've been gone 70 years" hang-dog in the scene re: calling her (even if the number's for London and she's living in Winchester :D).

And trust Joss to toss in some voice work..I wonder if it could become his version of the Hitchcock cameo? He did AD work for Serenity - the Lilac trading station manager - and he's the newsreel VO here...what will he do next?!

;P
I 100% think that's Joss (although I did once identify Joss as the voice on the Dr. Horrible teaser, and that voice was later revealed to be Jed.)

But that is undoubtedly Joss.

Or Jed. ; ]

Poor Ashley Johnson - she keeps getting her stuff cut from Jossy-projects; she had such a plummy role in the unaired Dollhouse pilot, though he did make up for it handsomely later in "Omega."

I loved the tone of this scene.
Part of comic book history was that there were a number of "Captain America"s during the time Steve was on ice. They ran the range from being overwhelmed by what was expected of them (as far as fighting), to being base and petty men (given too much authority). (Those stories point out that Steve Rogers is the hero, not C.A.) So it is possible that Peggy has seen any number of pretenders over the years, and doesn't know this is the real article.

Oh, and I like this scene a lot, too. :)

@QuoterGal: I've seen some articles about casting for the next C.A. movie. I was hoping for Ashley Johnson's return. She was quite striking given her short screen time, has proven to be a good actor, and would fit a "Bernadette Rosenthal" role in Cap's life (modern woman, but not a spy or super-powered).

[ edited by OneTeV on 2012-08-29 22:24 ]
EDIT: Nevermind. I hadn't gotten a chance to watch the clip yet! LATER GUYS!

[ edited by Jobo on 2012-08-29 22:25 ]
Even if one has aged as beautifully as Katherine Hepburn without the Parkinson's, reuniting with one's still young, fit and handsome sweetheart would be painful.
I believe that WWII newsreel announcers usually referred to the enemy as "the Axis powers" or by nicknames for their nationalities. AFAIK, Americans didn't regard the Nazis and their allies as The Forces of Evil until the liberation of the concentration camps toward the end of the war in Europe; the use of that phrase in the fake newsreel felt anachronistic to me. Perhaps in the alternate history of the Marvel universe, things were different.
I believe that WWII newsreel announcers usually referred to the enemy as "the Axis powers" or by nicknames for their nationalities. AFAIK, Americans didn't regard the Nazis and their allies as The Forces of Evil until the liberation of the concentration camps toward the end of the war in Europe

In his 1941 Christmas Message to the US Forces, Roosevelt said this:

To the Army and Navy: In the crisis which confronts the Nation, our people have full faith in the steadfastness and the high devotion to duty demonstrated by the men of all ranks of our Army and Navy. You are setting an inspiring example for all the people, as you have done so often in the past. In sending my personal Christmas greeting to you I feel that I should add a special measure of gratitude to the admiration and affection which I have always felt and have expressed in other years. I am confident that during the year which lies before us you will triumph on all fronts against the forces of evil which are arrayed against us.


Joss actually uses the term "forces of darkness" in the clip, but neither seems anachronistic to me. Everyone knew (well, almost everyone) that the Nazis were evil long before the liberation of the camps. The liberation of the camps just revealed that they were even more evil than anyone had hitherto imagined.
That's a beautiful scene. I wish it could've stayed in as it would've added some much needed pathos to Cap's character and it builds continuity for the later battle which would've again paid off in more pathos for a climactic moment. I think this set-up makes the boxing scene work much better, tbh, it gives it heart, whereas before I find the boxing scene mostly forgettable (except for the camera's fixation with Chris Evan's ass ;)).

Maybe it's just me, but I don't mind waiting for the coming-together moment, especially when the anticipation is built by great character development.
Yoink: The liberation of the camps just revealed that they were even more evil than anyone had hitherto imagined.

And we knew about the Nazi genocide of the Jews, among other murderous atrocities, even well before the freeing of the camps in 1945 (see here and here, for example) - though those liberations clearly brought it home in a most graphic & visceral way.

[ edited by QuoterGal on 2012-08-30 01:49 ]
These deleted scenes are so good, they really make me wish Joss had a TV show so he could tell longer stories...oh, wait.
Joy.
Yoink, you nailed it with that FDR quote. I was wrong.
I love Captain Broodyboots.
For me it was the "our man" that tipped me to Joss, though I think "science!" made me suspect. And that was a beautiful cut where Cap turns the recording off: "He's out there fighting for the land that we love, and he won't stop--"

Also it makes total sense that he'd ride the subway. That, at least, would be familiar.
Sadly, the video has been removed.
Pffft. The impression I got from the article yesterday was that the studio released the clip, guess not.
Noooo! I missed it *RL fail*

ETA: Never mind. Thanks Thumblr!

[ edited by Mirage on 2012-08-30 19:38 ]
And we knew about the Nazi genocide of the Jews, among other murderous atrocities, even well before the freeing of the camps in 1945

Depends a little what one means by "we," of course. There were quite a few who suspected that those accounts might be exaggerated by the usual forces of wartime propaganda (after all, exaggerated stories of "Hun" brutality were staples of the WWI propaganda mill). Once the camps were liberated, though, only the crazies were left in any doubt.
When he was looking at the phone, I thought for a half second that he was going to call her, without her picking up, to mirror Tony's scene towards the end.

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