What is the point of television without a Jossverse series on the air? It is pointless!

kdeweb | February 17, 05:37 CET

I am still in denial about ANGEL. It seems that all of the reviewers agree that this was a idiotic move on the WB's part. But the WB execs. are idiots, so there you go!

If I were rich and powerful I'd create a television station, containing of only Joss Whedon created shows. Joss Whedon all the time. It would be glorious.

kerribear | February 17, 06:28 CET

"If I were rich and powerful I'd create a television station, containing of only Joss Whedon created shows. Joss Whedon all the time. It would be glorious."

kerribear, I love you utterly. I love our captain, too...damn, I am crying and I do not mean metaphorically...

Chris inVirginia | February 17, 06:47 CET

Okay, It's kinda off topic, but i have this idea floating around in my head for the end of angel, so here me out.

In the final few episodes Joss starts staging a big ass battle between the PTB and The Senior Partners, and in the Final episode everyone from Angel Inc has to decide on which side to fight on, big ass fight goes on, at the very end The Senior Partners and the PTB are both destroyed, while Angel and the rest of WandH are killed during an explosion at the WandH building, all sans Wes, who walks onto the rubble after the battle and spots the power essence of The PTB and Senior Partners, he then Says "Your plan worked beautifully, we now have all the Power" then Lilah, walks up and says "Yes it Did". Then after they take all the essence, they're walking away into the sunset, as Wes proposes that they get away from the Law buisness and the Wolfram and Hart name, Lilah then askes him what name he has in mind, and he coldly responds "Blue Sun."
Executive Producer: Joss Whedon

I really need to get some sleep.

400lb_Gorilla | February 17, 10:12 CET

Interesting idea 400lb...I like it all except for the part where everybody dies except Wesley. That'd be a bit depressing, even for Joss. But the Blue Sun thing is brilliance.

MindPieces | February 17, 10:34 CET

Awesome, 400lb, awesome. I'd like to see a slow motion death sequence of horrible devistation during the explosion. Neat. So, are Wes and Lilah immortal, and if so, will we see them in the Firefly movie?

PwincessCupcake | February 17, 10:56 CET

During that slow motion death sequence, there should be very sad music playing like Chris Beck's "Slayer's Elegy" from The Wish.

This is an interesting idea but it would break my heart to have everyone I love die and Wesley (whom I love the most) turn out to be truly evil.

I like the Firefly tie-in though. We'll have to wait and see (no spoilers for me!) how it all ends. I hope Joss has something big and surprising planned for us. And I also hope it won't really be the end (please please please).

electricspacegirl | February 17, 13:52 CET

Heh!...But no, I would really hate for Firefly to be tied into the Buffyverse. I mean if it was going to happen, 400lb's idea isn't the worst way it could go down, but it still sounds pretty heavy-handed. I also think a great many Angel fans would have serious issues with only Wesley surviving. My main problems with it though are that (a)the end of Angel should be about the end of Angel period. Not overly cute wink-&-nods to other series for the fans. (b)Joss may be tempted in future Firefly efforts to include elements of the Buffyverse. Sorry, but I like that Firefly is strictly sci-fi. He has the Reavers for far-fetched plot devices, that's enough.

I also realize that 400lb Gorilla was probably half-kidding and, as mentioned, needed sleep.

Kris | February 17, 14:12 CET

400lb, a dramatic and scary denoument to the series! I have to say it sort of freaked me out, which is a good thing. Can't-be-killed-Lilah and an evil Wesley. Eek. Blue Sun. Double Eek.

That being said, I personally don't want Firefly and the Buffy/Angelverse to be definitively tied into each other. But it would give me a little thrill if sometime before the end of Angel there'd be a blink-and-you'd-miss-it reference to one of Wolfram & Hart's myriad clients being Blue Sun Corporation. Not as part of a major plot point, just a passing remark. Just to make us wonder what the next 500 years after Angel would bring.

I can't imagine that Joss would tie his various 'verses together -- and, again, I don't want him to -- but, okay, to continue with this Blue Sun speculation, how far into the future is Fray? Does anyone think that the world of Fray, if set before Firefly, could eventually result in the world of Firefly? Fray's earth is pretty used up and controlled by evil corporations....but then there still are plenty of pesky demons and vampires (lurkers), not Firefly material.

phlebotinin | February 17, 17:41 CET

A TV schedule without Joss Whedon is indeed sad to contemplate, but I have to confess that I've been feeling that the thrall is gone from Angel 5...

And I speak as one who's been a Buffy and Angel fan from the very first.

Maeve | February 17, 21:43 CET

Big fan of all the Joss shows, but I don't really want to see Firefly tied in with the others. Firefly is, and should be, it's own entity. Fray is unclear as to how far forward, but the speculation is 200 years, so it could work, but again, I don't really want it to.
That being said, a (small) part of me is actually excited about Angel ending. Not that I want it to end, but just think of what Joss would come up with next! Something entirely new and different, and betting on past results, quite good.

RootBoy42 | February 17, 21:49 CET

Firefly is in 2517.

Fray is also 500 years in the future, although I don't think the exact year was ever specified.

Invisible Green | February 17, 21:50 CET

What do the references to "Blue Sun" mean? (been coding 17 days straight and my brain is fried)

redfern | February 18, 01:06 CET

"Blue Sun" is an integral part of Firefly, redfern. I won't say anything further -- I don't want to spoil you if you're planning on watching the DVD's. Which I urge you to do.....

phlebotinin | February 18, 01:18 CET

Thanks phlebotinin! DVDs are about to be ordered...

redfern | February 18, 01:20 CET