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September 26 2012

(SPOILER) Discuss Angel & Faith #14. It's the final part of the 'Family Reunion' arc.

Overall good issue and good arc. This one was a bit predictable, but still enjoyable nonetheless. I'm interested to see where Willow is headed in her journey. Also looking forward to the confrontation between Nadira and Faith, now that she knows Faith is working with Angel.
So... that last place she was in looked somewhat familiar.
Willow has no heart?
@apollo11 - Yup, I noticed that it looked kind of like a mix between Twilight plane ( floating rocks by Jeanty) and Saga's dream realm. There is a Q/A with Rebekah Isaacs coming - maybe somebody can ask her which of the two places she had in mind.

[ edited by dorotea on 2012-09-26 18:15 ]
Best Buffyverse issue in a long time. So much drama, so much fun, everything was brill. Made up for the less-than-constant Quor'Toth terror from the last few issues by a lot, and it was exciting to see Willow so powerful again. Really loved it.
I have my copy of Angel & Faith 3 14.The conclusion of,"Family Reunion."

I'm not feeling that great today(got a cold) so I'm going to keep my thoughts short after reading the issue.I wasn't even going to run out and get my comics today but had to be out anyway and figured I would stop off at the shop.

I really enjoyed this arc as a whole even though Quar'toth didn't match my vison of it.

Loved the character stuff in this issue between everyone.

Also loved that Angel is sticking around a week to spend with Connor.

I think we got great set up for the Willow miniseries and the next arc with Nadira following next month's one-off.

Again,I'm keeping this very short because my head feels like I have a jackhammer going off in it and I just want to lay down and really can't think of much more to say other than I enjoyed the issue across the board.
I think this arc has been the weakest of the series so far.
I think this arc has been the weakest of the series so far.
deborahmm | September 26, 21:28 CET

I totally agree. This has turned out to be such a disappointment for me. I thought this arc had a great, strong start that really felt like something we'd see from the TV show. However, the oversentamentality of the last few issues (among other problems) really ruined it for me. What a shame.

[ edited by mark214 on 2012-09-27 19:49 ]
Probably my biggest issue with this arc is bringing Gunn back and giving him nothing to do.
I'm still not clear on if Angel loves his son or not. I think we need another few issues just to be absolutely positive.
I'm still not clear on if Angel loves his son or not. I think we need another few issues just to be absolutely positive.

lol.

I agree with deborahmm. The premise was so promising, and the pay-off was so card-board, saccharine, dull.

Fingers crossed that the potential of the Whistler issue won't be similarly blown.
I'm enjoying the Angel & Faith series much more than the After the Fall series so far. This arc was very well done. The story moved very well and left us with a few nice cliffhangers. Willow's story which we'll see continue in the Wonderland mini-series, and Nadira finding out about Faith working with Angel. Nadira is so grieve stricken she'll probably assume Faith was working for Twilight(Angel).

The only downside to this arc was it's predictability. Pretty obvious it would end with Willow going to the other dimension, and Angel and Connor having a big cat's in the cradle "I love you Dad; I love you Son!" moment.

I can't wait for #15. But right now I'm thinking about Buffy S9 #14. Jane Espenson. Huzzah.
Even though I think there have been better story lines,this arc has been my favorite of season 9. This issue made me realize what is missing from Buffy, the make shift family. My favorite aspect from the shows were the character interactions. Buffy without the scoobies seems a bit off. Having Gunn, Faith, willow, conner, and Angel together just felt right to me.
I agree with A_Leaf. For me, the best parts of the whole arc were the first few pages of the firs issue (up until they left the Hyperion) and the last couple of pages of the last one (once they got back).

The overall arc was fun and, in my opinion, maybe my favorite, so far (Quor'Toth - the demon, not the place - was an especially great design).

Still, I would love to see more from Gunn and the old supporting cast. The shows may have been called ANGEL and BUFFY, but it was always the rest of the cast that made the shows as good as they were (and I'd bet that the people who say their favorite characters are, in fact, Buffy or Angel are in the minority).
Did I just see Angel and Faith doing a Fastball Special?
"Vampire bite stimulates the brain's pleasure centers"

... and suddenly all ficwriters who write "bitey" fics are vindicated. :)

[ edited by Moscow Watcher on 2012-09-27 22:13 ]
@MW Surely, you meant - vampire bite ? Because not all vamps are telepathic.
@Moscow Watcher :)
Fanon becomes canon: P
Angel, do not lie to us and stop saying "I do not bite during sex!"
Now, everyone knows that :))

[ edited by soul on 2012-09-27 21:09 ]
@Dorotea - oops, my bad; thank you for correcting!

@soul - and now I wonder how I will be watching a scene where Vampire!Xander and vampire!Willow feed on Cordelia; or when Buffy teases Spike "look at my poor neck, all bare and tender and exposed..." or a scene where Spike bites Andrew...
A_Leaf wrote:
My favorite aspect from the shows were the character interactions. Buffy without the scoobies seems a bit off. Having Gunn, Faith, willow, conner, and Angel together just felt right to me.

Jacksyattering wrote:
I would love to see more from Gunn and the old supporting cast.


I absolutely agree. This arc is my favorite because I can see -glimpse - something near AtS: location, thematic, people.It feels so natural and right to me.

And yes, I too miss the old AI team!
Loved the arc, love Gage, Love isaacs. So much fun. This stuff, to me, is what the other books should be aspiring to. I really enjoyed the Wizard of Oz cover, too. Angel as the lion is particularly funny. I love how Isaacs has fun with drawing mopey Angels. Like when he's in the car with the top down in L.A.

I think this thread is not on the mini-menu to the left, yet, ... just in case the conversation keeps going?
@Moscow Watcher -so basically Angel defeated Hamilton in Not Fade Away by giving him a happy?
Okay, did it bother anyone else that lesbian Willow enjoyed being bitten by a male vampire?

That just seemed really weird to me .... and kind of poorly-thought-out. I mean, sometimes in the Buffyverse biting has sexual connotations; sometimes it's just an act of violence. The mention of "pleasure" seemed to bring in more of the sexual overtones, which, in this context, is just icky.

If the idea had been just that the bite weakened her physically, it wouldn't bother me quite as much. But, even then, it would seem like kind of bad plotting to me. Given that Willow is very driven by emotion, and that she's still angry at Angel over the whole Twilight business, I really think *any* other character in the group would've made more sense as the person who stops her from going completely Dark and Veiny.

Aside from that, the issue was fine. But that plot element really, really bugs me.

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