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September 28 2012

Secrets revealed in Joss Whedon's Avengers DVD commentary. Tor.com provides a comprehensive breakdown of what Joss talks about in his commentary.

[rant on]

I think I will have to put on my military otaku hat and dispute the remark about the jet that the Hulk jumps on and wrecks after getting fired on is NOT the same as the one used in True Lies! The former is a Lockheed-Martin F-35 Lightning II 5th gen fighter plane...also know as the Joint Strike Fighter; the latter is a McDonnell-Douglas/Boeing AV-8B Harrier II , which is a generation or two behind the F-35. Both are VTOL-capable aircraft, yes, but there is a large difference between the two aircraft.

A reference to True Lies might have been intended (and that would be awesome and all :D) but the aircraft involved are not the same kind

[/rant]

:P

[ edited by BlueEyedBrigadier on 2012-09-28 18:14 ]

[ edited by BlueEyedBrigadier on 2012-09-28 19:09 ]
As GREAT as this article is, there's still a lot more hidden gems, so I suggest EVERYONE go watch it with commentary. Joss is entertaining, a genius, intelligent, ect.
Don't rub it in for us poor Europeans who didn't get the commentary... :-)
If its so great, then rip it and upload it, man! ;)

Just kidding, but yeah, theres no much choice, you know.
Trying not to swear at Disney :(
I'm giggling so much reading commentary quotes in GIFs from Tumblr, I'm not even sure I want to read this article.
Mushrooms are certainly worth building tunnels for. As wonderful as this article is, it makes me sad that that I didn't get the commentary on the UK DVD that I bought. Still (edited Coulson scene not withstanding) I did get a rather nifty film, which I've shown to as many friends and family as I could, so it's not all bad.
BlueEyedBrigadier, I caught that. But I assume he was referring to the jet inside the helicarrier that Hulk crashed into and then threw a bit at Thor. That was a Harrier, which was the same type as Arnie flew in True Lies.

If it was the same actual prop then Eliza Dushku would have hung onto it.
Downey then ad-libbed “Doth mother know you weareth her drapes?”

Huh. So Downey came up with arguably the funniest line in the movie. It's such a Joss kind of line - it seems like their sensibilities really meshed.
I did laugh very hard at the "drapes" line, but the grammar always bothered me so I'm glad to see it wasn't from Joss! I'm sure Joss would have used PROPER dog-Shakespearean English: "Doth mother know thou wearest her drapes?"

[ edited by gianetta on 2012-09-29 03:32 ]
"the very power, to crack the planet in two. Like a china plate in a shooting gallery."

'Course, I stole that quote from Stephen King's "Firestarter", but I feel it fits Joss very well. Excellent report....ahh, the topic, not the book!
@BlueEyedBrigadier - Haven't clicked the link yet, so dunno how it's brought up in the article, but I did see the commentary, and zz9 is correct, Joss is talking about the Harrier that Hulk was knocked into by Thor. And it's physically the same prop/set piece used in True Lies.

ETA: Okay, read through it. Yeah, the article gets the jet wrong, and a LOT of other stuff. Most of it probably isn't a big deal, except to pedants like me.

[ edited by bobw1o on 2012-09-29 12:08 ]
Brilliant! I hate watching commentaries (though I hate to admit it) - I get distracted by the film. I've always wished there could be full transcripts of them somewhere, so this is totally awesome, even if it only restates a little bit of it.

Whedon realized that he had to have some of the kneeling crowd get to their feet around Cap as he approached Loki before their fight, otherwise his line about seeing “someone standing above everyone else” last time he was in Germany wouldn’t play correctly because he was also standing above everyone.
This. I was a little disconcerted by that scene and it was very convenient of them to get up...

gianetta - the grammar is annoying there, but Tony Stark would hardly know the proper version, so it works that it's wrong.

But really, I'm very happy for RDJ. I loved all of his additions. Also, I was worried Pepper wouldn't be included and there would be a disconnect between the films, so I'm glad they kept her in.

The intention was to impart that there are two Hulks within Banner — the first one we see, when the change is out of his control, is vicious and brutal. The second Hulk, the one he chooses to become, is the Hulk who can help the team and catch his friends when they fall.
Wait... really? That whole issue never bothered me, I totally accepted that there wasn't a reasonable explanation, but now I'm just confused.

[ edited by prettymaryk on 2012-09-29 16:43 ]
Hulk is the manifestation of Banners anger.

If he tries to repress anger, it will come out vicioulsy, as it happens when we repress any emotions. If he is always angry, it means he is having anger under control, not repressed. If Hulk is Banners anger, and he has anger under some control, then he might have Hulk under control too.

The first transformation is a reaction to caos, panic, and the angry results of Lokis manipulations unhindered by a chaotic situation; its uncontrolled, unwanted, and therefore, out of any control.

The second one is completely wanted and completely under control. Of course, Banner fears this; what if he looses control even then? What if he cant really mantain that control? So he is not really eager to try it, to try and control his anger to the point that he can even have some control over his Hulk. He knows the posible cure for himself, but he is afraid of trying it.

In the end, he chooses to trust himself and try it out, take the step necesary to become better; in the end, Banners story is the story of someone taking what looks like a curse and using it to do good and become a better person, and finding the courage to do so. Banner is Willow, tormented and scared of using magic for fear to become dark willow in season 7, taking the risk in the end, creating a slayer army and becoming a godess in the process.

Banner goes from scared monster to confident hero. Its pure Whedon.
I loved hearing about how many things Jed and Maurissa worked on, because it shows how Joss can rely on them to really carry his vision for S.H.I.E.L.D. !

[ edited by embers on 2012-09-30 03:20 ]
The whole Banner keeping 'control' of Hulk when he wants to was set up in the Norton movie, which is part of The Avengers continuity despite the different actor, where Banner at the end jumps from the chopper deliberately to Hulk out and attack the baddie.
bobw1o wrote:

@BlueEyedBrigadier - Haven't clicked the link yet, so dunno how it's brought up in the article, but I did see the commentary, and zz9 is correct, Joss is talking about the Harrier that Hulk was knocked into by Thor. And it's physically the same prop/set piece used in True Lies.

ETA: Okay, read through it. Yeah, the article gets the jet wrong, and a LOT of other stuff. Most of it probably isn't a big deal, except to pedants like me.


Ah...good. While I don't think Joss is quite the military tech aficionado that some are, I found it strange that he would refer to the wrong plane. Yeah, the one in the internal hanger where Thor and Hulk have a lugging match that Hulk falls on is a Harrier (and knowing its the same prop used in True Lies is awesome!).
Don't suppose anyone has come across a similar type of article for Cabin in the Woods?

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