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October 14 2012

A Joss-based PostSecret on today. Notice the quote in the URL too!

Giving God credit for Joss's hard work? Not sure if that's cute or offensive.
Awesome! I've spent hours reading PostSecrets, it's amazing.
GreatMuppityOdin, I didn't interpret it that way. To me, it's saying that even though Joss is an atheist his work has helped someone strengthen their faith. Joss' work is full of tenants and themes that people can learn from whether they are religious or not. If a religious person applied those lessons to their faith, that is something to celebrate.
Some people find faith in Joss, others in bowls of soup. It's all good.
Mal and Zoe are decapitated! Who would do a thing like that?
I love this so much and the ninja report did a great job summing up why.
Very nicely put Simon. "It doesn't matter what you believe in, as long as you believe."
Nice sentiments, all. I believe in Joss, the only person to never let me down, forever and always.
I began to warm and chill
To objects and their fields,
A ragged cup, a twisted mop
The face of Jesus in my soup
Those sinister dinner deals
The meal trolley's wicked wheels
A hooked bone rising from my food
All things either good or ungood.

The Mercy Seat, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.

Quoted for fun. For soup botherers everywhere.

Meaning in life can be found through a range of prisms and beliefs, surely. But making a bowl of soup of God is as perverse and confused as making God of a bowl of soup. Which doesn't mean that the attempt to find meaning in goodness is perverse (that is, in the way that bowls of soup among other things may be good).

I rather suspect that the ninja report was right and that the linked phrase was not intended as just a piece of clever-cleverness or (as GreatMuppetyOdin may suspect) a debased and mundane version of grace.

It's funny how, on first reading, some link or comment can seem foolish, fatuous, wicked, anti-intellectual, ignorant, wrong-headed and so on - and yet, with a bit more reflection, you can start to see (or suspect) the wonder, brilliance and beauty of another person's perspective. In particular, this really is a rather lovely website.
This is what I need.
Soup. From a chicken.
Chicken soup.
A chicken lived and died. And they put it in water and now it's soup. It does not want anything or fear anything. It only is. It is soup.
It sits in this bowl. This indifferent bowl. It does not want to hold soup nor does it want to be empty. It is simply is. It is concave. And perfect for holding soup.
Its weight rests on the table. Distributed evenly to four legs that press onto the floor, the foundation of this building, which holds all of us... and the table... and the soup.
The building rests on the earth, the soil of this planet.
What planet is this again?
It is all held in place by gravity.
The planet is held in orbit by the gravitational force of the sun.
The beating heart at the center of a perfectly balanced solar system.
One of several systems that make up our galaxy.
Which is just one tiny part of an unimaginable cosmic expanse.
The universe.
All of Creation supports this bowl.
Which supports the soup, which supports me.
It gives me life.
What do I with the life it gives me?

How Derrial Book found God in a bowl of soup (as told in Serenity: The Shepherd's Tale).

I have zero spirituality but it's a lovely piece of writing and one of the most powerful statements of faith to come out of the Whedonverse (and because it was in a comic book, has been ignored ever since :p).
This is why I love this site. Now I want to go make chicken soup.
Marvelous, thanks Simon. I haven't read that comic book so I'm glad to be made acquainted with that piece of writing. It is almost the converse of the jagged, wretched ponderings of Jubal Early in 'Objects in Space'. I love that episode.

The quotation is, of course, concerned not with believing in bowls of soup but with believing in God. Here, faith or meaning is found from a starting point of reflection, but not necessarily in that starting point directly. That things are meant, that things might be good, that this, here, might have worth because there is some ultimate value underwriting it. Rejecting this, we might think that meaning and value might be found in the moment of deliberation, reflection, or action rather than somewhere else. Because this is meaningful, things are meaningful (that is, something more is going on here) versus things are meaningful, because this and this and this are meaningful (that is, that's all there is and it is enough).

I didn't read that particular comic because I liked things as they were left with the series and the film. Plus, you know, books take time to read and cost money; and life is short and money is finite. Seems like I missed out. To be unknown is, of course, not to be ignored. Thanks again.
I used to read Post Secret every week. Unexpected sources of faith and affirmation are a running theme, with the backhanded sadness of knowing these are things people have felt a need to keep secret for whatever reason. This was a nice addition.

FYI, for people who haven't read the comics and for whom buying them isn't an option, your local library may have the comics as trades. Mine has quite a few of them, including the Book story. You can also pick various comics up digitally at lower prices whenever Dark Horse has a sale.
You know, last year there was a call for papers on 'Joss Whedon and Theology.' Perhaps it's good that the abstract I submitted was rejected, because that postcard said in sixteen words what I could not have in five thousand.

The 'religious sense' that people have is just another way of naming their need for life to have an ultimate meaning, and no one chronicles this search for meaning better than Joss.
One of the things I respect the most about Joss is the awareness he has for people. He writes strong characters because people keep asking him why, he writes religious characters as fully formed as he writes non-believing ones, and he surely knows that he has many, many, many fans who are religious. I appreciate that Joss, more than other writers, writes for everyone.
I guess Dollhouse wasn't among the faith-affirming shows for this poster?
Dollhouse surely most of all, the one that showed what happens when man plays god.

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