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January 19 2013

9 things we want to see in Marvel's S.H.I.E.L.D.. Decent enough list from SuperHeroHype.

Jennifer Walters, attourney at law.

Also, I don't know exactly what the politics are regarding TV rights to characters and things the movie rights of which are held by other companies, but if at all possible, I think it would be really neat to see references to X-Men, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, Daredevil, Punisher and whatever else. They don't necessarily have to show up in person, but mentions in reports and such would be nifty.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I am VERY excited about S.H.I.E.L.D.! I have total confidence in Joss (with Jed & Maurissa) being able to bring us everything on this list. I was particularly interested in #3 because this seemed important to me. Joss was working up slowly to some 'Blue Sun' fun in Firefly, which was cancelled too soon. Then Joss got to play with Wolfram & Hart on Angel, but it too was cancelled. In Dollhouse the corporate power of Rossum was front and center, but was just touching on the Oligarchy aspect (where Rossum was able to directly manipulate the government) when Dollhouse came to an abrupt end. I'm hoping for years and years of S.H.I.E.L.D. which can explore all the story lines cut short in the shows that Joss previously created.

#4. I really want flying cars. Seriously.
I want to see characters whose names I recognize: Dum Dum, Gabe, Jasper, Laura, Gaffer, Clay, Val, etc.
GreatMuppetyOdin - As far as TV rights go, Marvel owns them for all (or almost all) the characters, which is why Ultimate Spider-Man is on Disney XD. They likely won't ever have a SHIELD version of Spidey, Wolverine, or the FF show up, mainly because they don't want to advertise for the competitor's films. However, I'm sure we'll get passing references and nods for the fanboys.
I kept thinking, as I went through that list, "This is the kind of stuff Joss is great at." So I have a feeling that many of these wishes will be granted.
You know, I actually hope characters introduced are mostly fresh. So I can understand what's happening.
I really wish (okay, this is my stuff, I grant) people would stop saying Whedon always brought people back.
Buffy once in a totally normal medical procedure and one more time using epic magic and taking advantage of a cosmic loophole. Darla, again done by epic magic to further the very powerful W&H's agenda. Angel and Spike were already immortal so what happened with them means little enough, same with Doc. the Master; restored by a wish that created awhole parallell universe. Jack O'Tolle and his gnag, Maggie Walsh, Forrest - just monsters, not brought back in any real way. Joyce, we never saw what that was and thank goodness.

And anybody can do a flashback, not just Joss.
Marvel is rapidly working to get back all of those righte by sabotaging all of the film franchises that they do not own. They killed all the versions of Peter Parker in the comics. They killed Professor X. They mixed up the X-men and Avengers (which likely has an impact on which characters can be used by which studios, although we won't know the exact impacts unless we see the contracts). They took Matt murdoc out of his own title until they got his rights back. The Fantastic Four has been through a lot of change while those movies have been out there...

I think you'll see everything in the House of Mouse withn 5 years - and as they come back, they'll start to be worked into the Cinematic Universe.
@DaddyCatALSO: For some reason, when I read your comment, I started thinking "what if Coulson wasn't Coulson". Kind of like Cordy didn't come back right (in season 4). There is a Marvel character called the Chamelion, who would be perfect for this kind of show (spies and subtle super-powers). We would know in the pilot that this is a bad guy, but the regulars would be in the dark.

The key, of course, would be at the end of the season, when the real Phil shows up to stop the plans of fake Phil. But the reason real Phil survived would have to wait for season 2. :-)
To my knowledge, there has yet to be a TV series set in the same 'world' as various film series with both running at the same time.

Actually, in the 1990s some of the Star Trek movies were made and released while the later Star Trek TV shows were still on the air.
And that first X-Files film was made in the middle of that series.

[ edited by manbearpig on 2013-01-19 23:56 ]
Marvel is rapidly working to get back all of those righte by sabotaging all of the film franchises that they do not own.

I don't agree. comic book readership is so small that most movie-goers aren't aware what's happening in the comics.

the real Phil shows up"

I think that was foreshadowed by the mention of the "Life Model Decoy" by Stark.
@Mercury: Since I'm the only one who used the phrase "real Phil", I don't understand your comment. How does Stark mentioning a LMD foreshadow a season of a bad guy (the Chamelion) pretending to be Phil Coulson?

There have been many ways that Coulson could show up on the series: robot, brought back to life, never died in the first place (Fury lie), flashbacks (which Feige has recently said is not the case), cyborg/android... I haven't seen many people suggest a bad guy impersonator.
Coulson was a clone. (Or a Skrull? hee)

GreatMuppetyOdin, I'd LOVE to see a great version of she-hulk too. But I think the character would be better served on the big screen with a budget that would do her justice. Its hard enough for an artist (like Mike Mayhew, whom I think did it better than Byrne) to draw a convincing shehulk, let alone put it on screen. She's one of those really hard characters....kind of like wonder woman in that she's supposed to be gorgeous, graceful and possessing dangerously powerful brute strength. Now that I think about it, I would LOVE to see a big screen version.

I also think a new Hulk movie, done properly, could be more popular than any of the previous movies, even the Avengers flick. I'd love to see a storyline where they take Hulk through several of his many incarnations....a "Mr. Fixit" storyline, Banner without being big and green but possessing the strength, a "banner-smart" hulk, maybe a red hulk thrown in? All good fun without being overly dark or serious throughout. I think everyone agress that's where the other hulk movies failed and Joss' version worked.

As for this list, I think Simon said it right, "decent enough list." But for me, number 9 should be number 1, CAMEOS! And I think it would be smart to make casual reference to characters that we've met in the movies.

Can't wait to tune in!
I meant they could explain Agent Colson's "death" by saying that wasn't him, that it was a Life Model Decoy that got disabled (so yes, Fury lied, but he already did that about the trading cards).

For me, though, if we don't see familiar characters, how would this be different from any other spy TV show?

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