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April 15 2013

Why isn't there a Wonder Woman movie? NPR blogger states "maybe booting (Joss) off your superhero movie isn't the foolproof plan it might appear".

Cuz some moron thought Morena Baccarin starring and Joss Whedon directing wouldn't work.
Wasn't Joss floating Coby Smulders for it after the fact?
I thought the Aussie Model Megan Fox was playing Wonder Woman before it was cancalled!
@lecter, that'd be Megan Gale? (We don't have a Megan Fox of our own down here!) She's certainly got the look, but I have no idea about her acting capabilities.

Sigh. Really would have loved to have seen a Joss-helmed Wonder Woman...
I assumed Joss was totally serious when he revealed he'd meant to cast Cobie Smulders. I've been under the impression that he incorporated the Maria Hill character into "Avengers" in the first place, was to cast her in it (and I wonder if possibly to tweak Warner Bros -- "think my girl can't do superhero action movie and the required gravitas/self-importance of it? HA!")

Honestly, I was never really entirely sure about Joss and Wonder Woman because I was always a little worried that I'd feel "oh, look, it's a River-themed 'Serenity' sequel by other means" about it, but surely nobody has come closer to having a marketable idea for a movie about the character than he has. If "Man of Steel" works out as well as I hope, maybe Warner Bros. can just dump the entire "DC Phase 1 --> Justice League" project on Nolan's company, and we might get Marion Cotillard as Wonder Woman, coming soon to a theater near you (or at least the much-needed Anne Hathaway Catwoman-that-is-never-called-Catwoman movie).
Hey, Joss, after Avengers, can you please, please please do your Wonder Woman?

I was a little girl who spinned.
Megan Gale was supposed to be Wonder Woman in the George Miller directed version of Justice League. The film was all ready to go, but Christopher Nolan objected to it was cancelled.
Joss is now all signed up to Marvel, so he'll never do Wonder Woman. And I'm glad. It'd be just covering what he's already done with Buffy.

Lot's a great women writers out there who never get a break in the male dominated movie scriptwriting world. I'd rather see Marti Noxon, Jane Espensen or Maurissa Tancheron take on the duties.
@SeanHarry: Sorry, bro, but I gotta call you out on that one. Just because Buffy and Wonder Woman both have female parts doesn't mean that they are the exact same thing. They are completely different characters. It seems insane -- and sexist, frankly -- to suggest that writing about Buffy and Wonder Woman would just be covering the exact same ground. I guess there is only so much one can write about women, huh?
Have any of Joss' drafts of his WW screenplay popped up online anywhere? I'd sure be curious to read them.
I find it sexist the way people keep going "Get Joss Whedon to write Wonder Woman, he 'gets' women and is a feminist."

Just imagine if everytime Hollywood wanted to do a film about a black or jewish character, they got a white Christian who "got" those ethnic minorities.

Give the job to a woman.
Give the job to a woman.

Women should certainly be given more writing (and directing, and producing, and etc. etc.) jobs in Hollywood, but I don't like the idea that "if the story is about a woman, it has to be written by a woman." Doesn't that also, then, suggest that woman are disqualified from writing about men? So what then? Do male white people only write about other male white people (straight if they're straight, gay if they're gay etc. etc.)? If I was a young, female, black writer trying to break into Hollywood I guess I'd think the odds were heavily enough stacked against me without adding a rule that the only films I'd be allowed to work on were ones about young, female, black characters.
My reception is simply because so many people in the press go "It's a superhero film about a woman! Get Joss Whedon to write it. He gets women!"

I'm not saying that Joss Whedon is sexist himself, or that he couldn't do a good job of it. But just imagine similar comments like "He gets black people"
Not for nothing, but the character was invented by a white male. Not a Christian so as I can tell, but then, neither is Josh Weston.
SeanHarry said:

Megan Gale was supposed to be Wonder Woman in the George Miller directed version of Justice League. The film was all ready to go, but Christopher Nolan objected to it was cancelled.

I'm not sure where you heard/read that, but that's not why the project was scrapped. If you do a Google Search, you'll find a podcast wherein Kevin Smith talks to Adam Brody (who was set to play The Flash) about the film and what happened. It had nothing to do with Christopher Nolan. He wasn't involved.
I watched the documentary the article is discussing last night and it was really good! The documentary itself discusses Buffy (and other wonderfully strong women characters)quite a bit and features Jane Espenson!

Beyond the Whedon connection, I would highly recommend it. Both enjoyable and informative. It was fascinating to see how WW was empowered, dis-empowered, other women characters took up the mantle (including Buffy!), then re-empowered and taking on kind of a life of her own separate from the comics. Made me think that any future Wonder Woman movie might not need to hew too closely to the comics themselves.
The beauty of it is, you can pretty much reinvent Wonder Woman in almost anyway you choose and probably won't manage to contradict *every* comic version of the character.
I'd like to read some comics, as I simply know Wonder Woman from cartoons and the 70s TV show. Any recommendations on good arcs?


I am all about empowering women writers in Hollywood, but in this case, Joss wrote a script for a super hero and it's sitting around unused. Who here can honestly say that they don't want to see it? A Whedon Wonder Woman script? Unused? Sitting around? Collecting dust?

Just thinking about where he might have gone with this character.....I could just cry...

For me this situation illustrates the brilliance of Marvel and the stupidity of DC.

Update: here is the link to the Wonder Women:The Untold Stories of American Superheroines on PBS Independent Lense. It's phenomenal. Buffy is in it and Jane Espenson too as I think others have mentioned.

[ edited by hann23 on 2013-04-17 03:31 ]
I think it's pretty clear Joss had no intention of creating a wounded River-ish type of Wonder Woman; on numerous occasions he made it clear that his Wondy would have been distinctly different from both River & Buffy, as well other previously-done female characters.

" 'For me, Wonder Woman was basically Angelina Jolie,' he says. 'She spends a lot of time flying around. She works in a lot of different countries. She’s very global. And she’s appalled by the way people treat each other.' ” -

"She was a little bit like Angelina Jolie [laughs]. She sort of traveled the world. She was very powerful and very naïve about people, and the fact that she was a goddess was how I eventually found my in to her humanity and vulnerability, because she would look at us and the way we kill each other and the way we let people starve and the way the world is run and she’d just be like, None of this makes sense to me. I can’t cope with it, I can’t understand, people are insane. And ultimately her romance with Steve was about him getting her to see what it’s like not to be a goddess, what it’s like when you are weak, when you do have all these forces controlling you and there’s nothing you can do about it. That was the sort of central concept of the thing. Him teaching her humanity and her saying, OK, great, but we can still do better." -

I was amongst the many who mourned in 2007 when Joss finally hung up those satin tights.

ETA: hann23 - Thanks so much for the link to "Wonder Women: The Untold Stories of American Superheroines". I quite enjoyed watching that.

[ edited by QuoterGal on 2013-04-17 17:12 ]
I'd like to read some comics, as I simply know Wonder Woman from cartoons and the 70s TV show. Any recommendations on good arcs?

"Kingdom Come" tops my list for all of the Big Three.
Writing is gender-agnostic. Anyone can be a great writer, male or female. Joss would have done a great Wonder Woman because he understands people and he knows how to write for them. There are plenty of female writers who can do the same and just as well - but the job should go to whoever can do it best, not the person with a certain set of DNA.
Theoretically, anyone can write really well, but men dominate as movie script writers, directors, etc. No one said a man couldn't write a great story about Wonder Woman. Instead, Sean suggested that a woman should be given a chance to do the movie.

Another obstacle to a Wonder Woman movie: Most adventure heroes are male, and boys and men are less likely to go to a movie featuring a female hero.
There are a number of examples that disprove that obstacle. The only reason the number isn't high is because much of Hollywood still thinks inside those boxes. Many boys and men can and do enjoy a good heroine story, just as there are women who like sports and action movies. If something is good, people of all shapes, sizes, creeds, colors and yes, genders will eventually find it. The content just has to be generated, first.

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