I think that's just the commerical, not the full promo. The trailer that aired after Wednesday's episode was slightly longer but, if I recall correctly, didn't include the opening pre-demon Fred montage.

[ edited by unreality on 2004-02-27 21:21 ]

unreality | February 27, 23:20 CET

Thank you, I finally got a chance to watch 'A Hole in the World' today and I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens next. Just wish The WB could make some exciting trailers, it is still sweeps isn't it?

Simon | February 27, 23:33 CET

The trailer that aired on Wednesday night was very different -- and longer. You had Illyria disrobing in front of a beaten (but not dead) Knox, Wesley accusing Gunn of having something to do with Fred's death, Angel saying resignedly that Illyria apparently is super-strong can't be killed, and Illyria saying to Wesley that he'll do what she asks because "I look like her." Apparently Illyria is at Wolfram and Hart because there's a snippet of Harmony talking about her, too.

phlebotinin | February 27, 23:37 CET

That I would far rather have seen.

Simon | February 27, 23:40 CET

Oh, and one more thing that I can recall from the original trailer: someone (Angel? Wesley?) saying that Illyria can control time -- in the sense of being able to speed it up or what have you.

I am on tenterhooks about next week and it's only Friday. Now *that's* great television.

phlebotinin | February 28, 00:38 CET

Simon, slayerverse.de has a bad quality version of the TV trailer on their website. And I'll probably have a better one on my site in the next few days.

Fred fighting Angel and Spike, how cool is that. I'm sure Amy Acker would have something nice to say about that, she has wanted to do fight scenes ever since she joined the show.

Elo | February 28, 02:56 CET

Let's see Fred now looks just like "evil" Willow except her hair is blue and hey wasn't Cordelia posessed by a demon last year? I hate to say it but these must be where those Buffy episodes were gonna go. Joss' mind must be on his movie and not Angel right now. I liked "Hole in the World" but did anyone notice when Spike and Angel are in the jet sunlight is streaming onto their faces? I think Joss is too preoccupied to follow the continuity of this show any longer. I hope the rest of the season doesn't become "spot the gaffes".

vpecoraro | February 28, 03:14 CET

Vpercoraro: Cordy wasn't possessed by a demon. Wolfram & Hart have necrotempered glass everywhere. Please pay attention to the yes-existing-continuity. Thank you.

Cabus | February 28, 03:17 CET

"I hate to say it but these must be where those Buffy episodes were gonna go." - vpecoraro

Huh? What Buffy episodes?

The website promo sucks. Last night's was decent. Although it makes Illyria seem like a really lame antagonist. I guess we will see.

Invisible Green | February 28, 03:25 CET

Cordy was possessed. Her body was taken over by a Power That Was, but Cordy was still in there somewhere. Fred is not possessed. Fred is dead. A demon fried her insides, killed her, and took over her body. That's not really possession, that's kind of just stealing.

And yeah, necrotempered glass. Anything coming from W&H is vampire safe. Angel's cars have it too (from 'Unleashed'), so the airplane thing was so totally within continuity. It's not the writers' fault when viewers don't pay attention.

The website trailer does stink. But the one that ran after the episode didn't give me much to go on about Illyria except that it doesn't mind taking off Fred's clothes in front of Knox, and that it's bendy in a silly Matrixy way.

[ edited by lalaa on 2004-02-28 01:33 ]

lalaa | February 28, 03:28 CET

I see Fred's possession/theft-of-body issue as definitely paralleling what happened to Cordelia. ME has never balked at having parallel stories. Just because two events are similar -- or even if they're sematically identical -- it doesn't automatically mean that the writers have run out of ideas, or that they're absent-minded, or anything else. Parallels can create a great deal of dramatic and inter-textual tension.

In the matter of Illyria-Fred, though, we'll have to wait and see how they handle it.

Also, a random thought: Eve knew about Connor (as was made clear early in the season). That means, presumably, that Lindsay knew/knows about Connor too... If he hates Angel, where better to strike?

delavagus | February 28, 03:59 CET

And what about Lorne? If Lorne read Eve, does he now know about Connor too?

electricspacegirl | February 28, 04:18 CET

Hmm, short ad, but at least simple and not foolish. I mean really! I got these copied dvds of Angel season 4 that are from America (I'm in Australia)and the W.B promos were ridiculous and misleading, in the promo for "The Magic Bullet", the whole thing was the scene where Fred kisses Angel, to hide from the mob and some voice-over saying "finally the heroes take solace in each others arms" or something to that effect. It really pissed me off, because that was a bit of the episode for like 10 seconds for god's sake! Anyway the episode looks cool!

pezwitch | February 28, 07:07 CET

Cordy was possesed by a Power, not a demon. Ahem ahem. I certainly hope they're not going into the Connor storyline again. Ever. It's gotten closure, let's leave it that way. I'd love it if they brought Faith or Dru back before the finale though, they're the only characters I can think of that need their stories wrapped up in the Angel-verse.

Cabus | February 28, 07:29 CET

The Connor story has closure? How? Do you mean on Connor's part? Because for everyone who isn't Angel, well, they're screwed. Parts of their minds have been erased and obviously things aren't going so well for them because of it. They need to find out, just because it was wrong. Connor is Angel's son, so of course he has some decision making power with regards to him. But to mess with all of his friends like that? He had good intentions, but it's still all kinds of wrong. For that reason alone, the Connor story line isn't finished.

lalaa | February 28, 07:48 CET

I disagree, lalaa. I don't think anyone needs to find out. Connor is happy with his new family and his normal non-Quortoth life, and everyone else is happy not knowing they had their memories erased. I don't know what you mean with things aren't going well because of the memory-erase. In any case, it's on the writer's hands, and I doubt they'd have a multiple-episode Connor storyline even if the series wasn't cancelled. Personally, I'm satisfied with that. I can see how fans of the character might not be, though. :D

Cabus | February 28, 08:29 CET

Ever hear the old saying "Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."? Liking Connor or not isn't the issue. He was around for close to two years, and major things happened because of him. But Angel's friends don't know that. They're doomed to repeat actions they shouldn't because they don't know about Connor. They don't even know why they're at Wolfram & Hart in the first place. All of their memories are jumbled. That will unravel. It's inevitable. Especially since Angel lets things slip now and then- someone is gonna notice that. Plus, Eve knows about Connor and she's pissed at the Fang Gang. What better revenge would it be to unleash all that information? There's no way in hell his friends would just outright forgive him for the mindwipe. Especially Wesley, in his already precarious mental state. He's the one that 'lost' all that trauma because of Connor. If that comes back to him- woah.

lalaa | February 28, 08:42 CET

IMO, last episode had a lot to do with Connor and the reality shift (it was not a mindwipe, by canon it's a reality shift). Yes, there is a hole in the world and we should have known about it, but Angel already does (remember his look when Spike says this-it's the "uh oh I did a bad thing" look), b/c Angel has that hole too (that we saw in Soul Purpose): it's the absence caused by Connor never having been Angel's son in this reality, and it's causing an imbalance.

Also, don't forget the Sanjin storyline, b/c that doesn't have closure. Connor is what is supposed to kill him, and that's still out there. Who knows if they are going to have enough time to wrap up that loose end though.

However, I might just be on crack. It's just that after WWF was so full of direct references to Connor, it's hard not to draw some conclusions about where the arc is going. Only time will tell, I guess.

mephistopholes | February 28, 11:39 CET

Am I bad for wishing Knox had been killed by Gunn? I guess I thought he DID kill him in this last episode. But I see from the promo pics he isn't.

Tracy | February 28, 20:40 CET

Yeah, I thought he killed him too. Of course, I thought Dark Willow killed Anya in "Grave," and I was all like "Noooo, not Anya," and then half an hour later she got up from the ground, and I was like "oh."

Invisible Green | February 28, 22:44 CET

I'm interested in Drogyn saying that Illyria's coffin-thingie just disappeared. I can't help but wonder if this could have been avoided. Did Drogyn know that it had been taken and could he have acted sooner...but did Angel's deal with W&H leave Drogyn mind-wiped as well?

Is this one of the reasons the senior partners handed Angel Inc. the keys to the LA branch? We've been waiting for W&H's apocalypse since the beginning. The apocalypse that Angel, or a champion, would play a major role in. And now we have something very much like that. Spike even has something to say about it. Spike: "There's a hole in the world. Feels like we ought to have known."

Next week it looks like Gunn is going to take the major brunt of the teams feelings of anger and betrayal for his part in bringing Illyria's coffin into Fred's hands. But what's going to happen if the gang find out that Angel's deal with W&H started this whole mess, if he is to blame?

Haborym | February 29, 00:32 CET