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December 05 2013

'Agents of SHIELD': 5 reasons why you should still be watching. This feature is from Zap2it. Poweranks has a similar type of article.

Honestly, to me, and however fanboyish it sounds, the words "Joss Whedon" are good enough. He knows how to tell a story, and he's going somewhere. If it were just the show, I'd like it OK. But Whedon's involvement makes sticking a "duh"-level proposition.
You should still be watching because it'll get good... eventually.
I never dreamed we'd be seeing "please keep watching" articles about this show only nine episodes in. :-(
But what I'm still unclear on is...IS Whedon involved? People keep saying it's a joss whedon show, but how much power does he really have over what happened, as opposed say ABC, Disney, Marvel, etc. and I mean he's not even writing the episodes right? It has it's own show runners. I just feel like years from now if this show does die quickly is he really going to still want his name on it or retroactively admit he passed it off and had little or nothing to do with it. Has he even done any interviews lately about it. I doubt anyone will really remember his tv work as joss whedon creator of Buffy, Firefly, and Agents of Shield
The reviews are routinely good, the numbers are okay... I'm starting to wonder if the "please keep watching!" articles are reacting to the Internet echo chamber more than to reality.
Yeah - the timing on this is a little wonky given that the ratings the last couple weeks have actually been going up, and certainly seemed to have stabilized. Reviews have been mostly positive - perhaps not radiant, but certainly not harsh. The show is in no conceivable way a flop.

As to Joss' involvement - I don't think there's any doubt that he was alpha dog in the room when the broad brush strokes were made on characters, tone, major arcs, etc. were done. From that point it's fair to say that he handed it off to the team for the execution - and how they've delivered on his initial view is open to debate.
Re: Joss's involvement (from The Hollywood Reporter, back in September)

What's the script process like? At what point does Joss weigh in?
Tancharoen:
He has a lot on his plate, but he's capable of holding a very big plate. Although he's not here on a day-to-day basis, his presence is always felt. He sees every story, he sees every script and he weighs in on everything. So we are in constant contact with him, thanks to the Internet (laughs).

Yes, Joss is involved. Far more than his fans and his detractors think.
Bless you, Simon.
I would be surprised if workaholic Joss wasn't routinely involved, but my guess is that it's more high level than fixing dialogue or anything. Preproduction on Age of Ultron has to be taking more and more of his time if they're shooting in the spring, I'd think.
He supposedly rewrote a script. Which was reported as a reason for alarm at the time, but nowadays it seems to be his supposed lack of involvement filling that niche.
I'm nervous that Marvel dividing Joss between too many projects is going to lead to a decrease in quality. I would feel safer having him assigned to one project like the 1st Avengers to make it as good as it possibly can be.
I'm enjoying the show. I'm not totally invested yet, but the only Whedon show that got me totally invested (which is to say "more than just entertained") in less than 10 episodes was Firefly, and that was kind of a special case (and had the neat trick of making it feel like you knew Mal better by having seen him basically get his ass handed to him in the flashback at the beginning of the pilot).
Joss has a tendency toward slowly building a world around the experiences of characters rather than vomiting out a fully formed world and plopping a bunch of characters into it to go "This is an interesting hole I find myself in. Fits me rather neatly, doesn't it?", and I respect that. I'm willing to let the show slowly draw me in. Meanwhile, I'm just going to relax and enjoy the ride, because it's not bad.
The one thing I'd point to as a mistake, though, is how episodic it seems to be. How if there's a bigger arc going on (other than the individual character mysteries and the general thing of new weird stuff happening every week), it doesn't feel ever-present. But I expect that to change right around the midseason mark, which is usually when season arcs tend to really kick in with Joss's shows.
If Joss is heavily involved with the show, thgen that makes it even wore.

Also, why is it, after this long in the entertainment industry they're still given a pass for "oh it takes a while to get going". Uh, no. That's not really acceptable, especially not on a show this big, that was not just greenlit on a whim. And, really three episodes would be the most that would take. To find the rhythm (especially as this isn't a show created by novices) should have taken them maybe three episodes. They're talented people.

Various Whedon comics, and movies have shown that, no, they do not need 10 hours worth of episodes so they can "establish" themselves. Almost halfway through the first season it's still a very average show, they claim to have had a two year plan from the start and this is the best they can do?
Also, why is it, after this long in the entertainment industry they're still given a pass for "oh it takes a while to get going"


Because the last three out of the four shows took a while to get going. But once they did, Whedon and co knocked them out of the park. So yeah, it's acceptable because they've earned it. Some people play the long game. Other people don't.

SHIELD has set the characters up, laid seeds for the plot arcs and that's paid off as a brand new fan base has taken it to heart. We have shipping wars already, fanfic being written and people freaking out about what will happen to their favourite characters.
I just don't get some people. If you don't like it, don't watch it. It's that simple. You don't have watch everything someone is involved with. I like Nick Brendon. I tried one episode of "Kitchen Confidential" and didn't like anything about it. I didn't force myself to watch it just because he was in it. I have zero interest in the aforementioned movie Tony Head was in in 2004; there is nothing about the description that appeals to me. It's not like there's some...Whedon Police monitoring what I watch and taking points off my Whedon Fan Card if I don't watch everything everyone's involved in.

I like SHIELD. I like the characters, I think the 'verse is interesting, the things they're doing are creative. If I miss an episode I'll watch it online, and I don't do that for any other show I watch. Not even CSI, and I've been watching that from the beginning.

I didn't come into this show with huge "It has to be great because it's Marvel/Joss" expectations. I'm not a "Marvel fangirl" - I don't know the world. I liked the 3 X-Men movies and X-Men Origins: Wolverine (It's not great, but it's decent), I liked the Fantastic Four movies and Iron Man. Captain America was all right, Thor...well, it was what it was. Avengers...blew me away. I still pick up little things every time I watch it.

I'm not expecting SHIELD to be "Super-cameo of the Week" or "Movie Tie-in Super Special Episode" all the time. Little hints and winks are perfect. I want to know who Skye's parents were, and what their connection to SHIELD is. I want to know why May is so stoic, and what she had to do to pull off that rescue. But mostly I want to know what the hell's so magical about Tahiti?? But there's so much else going on that I'm fine getting the answers in bits.

I'm in it for the long haul. If that's just until the end of this season, or three years down the road, I'll be tuning in every Tuesday. And tuning out the naysayers.



Also, why is it, after this long in the entertainment industry they're still given a pass for "oh it takes a while to get going"


Because the last three out of the four shows took a while to get going. But once they did, Whedon and co knocked them out of the park. So yeah, it's acceptable because they've earned it. Some people play the long game. Other people don't.

SHIELD has set the characters up, laid seeds for the plot arcs and that's paid off as a brand new fan base has taken it to heart. We have shipping wars already, fanfic being written and people freaking out about what will happen to their favourite characters.


I find this interesting. A new show that a person (or a group of people) love(s) right off gets cancelled, for whatever reason, and there will be people complaining that the networks don't give shows a chance to build an audience.

In this case, it looks like the show has built an audience, and people complain that the show is not giving them what they want fast enough, or going in the right direction, so why should it be given a chance.

Not trying to pick on anyone, as I said, I just find it interesting.

Maybe this is the show, and maybe it is never going to be exactly what some people want. That is okay. Lots of shows out there to watch.

Maybe things will pick up speed or develop into what some people think is missing, and that will be great too.

I'm just going to watch it for what it is right now and not worry about it.
In my experience, shows that start out consistently great often drop in quality after a season or two. Heroes is a major example of this phenomenon. Whereas shows that end up mindblowingly amazing often start with baby steps. There are many examples of this. The Simpsons is a big example of this. Buffy and Angel also come to mind, obviously.
This is something that happens. If you start out knowing exactly what you're doing, there's a risk you'll panic when the show inevitably has to wrap up a storyline and move forward, and the results might be a bit weak if the show was built around that one really strong and hard-to-replace storyline or villain (and sometimes the writers will even panic to such an extent that they'll refuse to get rid of the big bad, as exampled in the 2003 version of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, where they failed to end the Shredder arc when they should have). Change of writing staff is another reason why this can happen. Sometimes a great writer will move to another project, weakening a great show (which I think is part of what happened with Heroes), and sometimes some great writers will get hired in the second and third season, making a show more consistently good.
If I'm sufficiently entertained by a show I feel could be more than it is, I'm perfectly willing to give it at least a season, sometimes more, to grow on me, because shows that are amazing right away seldom stay that way, whereas shows that are amazing in the long run often take a while to get to that level. I see a lot of potential in SHIELD, and I'm entertained by it, so to me it's off to a pretty good start and I'm looking forward to seeing where it goes in the second half of the season.
Firefly might have taken awhile to get going too. Just because it was wonderful and great from the start doesn't mean that it might not have gone on to achieve insanely brilliant heights of perfection never before imagined if it had gotten more time.

Lots of shows, historically, take awhile to get going though, the Star Trek spin-offs, Babylon 5, Fringe and more.
It is a fact of existence and one of my basic philosophies of life: in order to be good at anything, you have to be bad at it for a while.

Now, the Whedons (and Tancharoen) certainly have done this kind of thing before -- but not necessarily with these actors and actresses, not with this setup, etc. Plus they're always on a deadline, so they don't have the time to polish that they might want.
Many of my favorite series, such as Veronica Mars, The West Wing, and Breaking Bad, started of brilliantly, so I don't think it's impossible for a series to get everything right immediately, ManEnoughToAdmitIt.

I also don't think it took Buffy and especially Angel that long to get going, I've recently been rewatching the first couple of seasons of both shows and found a lot of great things in them.

I've really liked the last few episodes of Agents of SHIELD (haven't seen episode 9 yet) and imagine getting to know the characters better will most likely result in me growing to like it even more. So for me there's absolutely no reason to stop watching.
I actually didn't catch on to "Buffy" until well into the second season, then it took the third season to sink the hook. It takes time to tell a good story.

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