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March 14 2004

Angel Gets Staked. An interview with David Boreanaz regarding the shows cancellation.

Well then. I suppose that's that, eh? Although not to begrudge him--his concerns seem reasonable.

Thanks for posting that, I've been waiting to hear more from some of the cast.
hmmmmm well that was different....not in a nice way
Well he's probably relieved that he doesn't have to go through the same thing every year to find out if he still has a job or not plus the pressure of having people rely on him. Don't blame him for feeling the way he does.
You came back for the end of Buffy. Could Sarah Michelle Gellar come back for the Angel finale?
If it happened it would be great, but I’m not generally in favour of “reunions” because there is no reason to go back. It took a lot to get me to do Buffy. At one point I really didn’t want to do it, but as a favour to Sarah I did it.


Weird. So he's saying that SMG personally wanted him over for BtVS, while he himself wasn't sure that a reunion was such a good idea? And yet, earlier this season, he was reportedly angry at her because she was reluctant to have yet another reunion on AtS?

Either the actors change their minds a lot, or (more likely) reporters just like to spin every story to extract the maximal amount of tension...
I really feel terrible for him. Must be hard being the lead actor on a successful American television show. Adored throughout the world, critically acclaimed, and taking home some pretty decent wages.

I sincerely hope he can find a job after this one ends. I hear Celeste in the City 2 is in pre-production.

Don't really want to sound crass, but it did kinda seem like he was taking all this for granted.
He doesn't seem to be upset at all so maybe he was having doubts himself about coming back. I can imagine he's eager to try new things too at this stage in his career. Afterall, he has now been playing the same character for 8 years. SMG was quite worn out by the time Buffy finished and he sounds like it's been draining for him as well.

I also think the fact that the show was constantly on the bubble could be draining and it probably does feel like a relief to realize it's taken out of your hands now. He also sounded a bit bitter with how the WB chose not to market the show.

I also found it interesting his comments about the possible return of Buffy. It sounds like he really doesn't want Buffy to show up which is in sharp contrast to his alledged comments with the TV Guide article. That's why I have a hard time believing any of these articles. It does sound like he and SMG are friends in real life because he said he didn't want to do the Buffy finale but only did it as a favor to her. But, then again, that statement doesn't ring true either. Wouldn't he want to do it for Joss if he asked him too? I find it hard to believe that Joss Whedon asked him and he said no but then SMG asked him, and as a favor to her, he then said yes.

I'm not accusing him of lying or anything like that, I'm just saying I don't trust a lot of these reporters who do these interviews to not add "juicy" elements to make it sound better.
That's the thing about journalism be it television or print, you can take practically any statement from an interview and spin it anyway you want. I was a television news producer and saw A LOT of that from certain reporters who weren't exactly unbiased in their reporting. I am not saying all journalists are like that, but it is VERY easy to manipulate a sound bite into meaning something totally different from what was actually said.
He seems quite realistic and unromantic. I found it kind of refreshing, though I can see why some fans might feel a bit upset at his seeming lack of passion for the show. Just remember for a lot of actors, acting is just another job and they don't get as caught up in the imagination of the show as the viewers.

It doesn't surprise me either that this is his attitude, as he's said before he'd never watched a full episode of his own series.
I can't imagine acting in film and television and not being completely obsessed with it. But I guess thats easier for me to say that since I'm not involved with it.
I'm not a Christian, but I find comparing being a lead actor on a television show to carrying a cross a little offensive. Messiah complex, much?
Not so long ago Michelle Trachtenberg was getting crucified by many people for saying blunt things very similiar to this. Had she said "I'm glad it's over" and "I don't owe anyone anything" I dread to think what the reaction would be.
I defended her then and I defend DB now, for them it's a job, it's stressfull and they're allowed to have an opinion and a choice about what they do.

And totally agree with Tracey, print articles have no context and the writer can put whatever spin they want on it they want. I just think MT should get the same benefit of the doubt that DB gets.
Ok, unless reporters decide to completely change quotes(which I'm not saying never happened, but I'd imagine a lot more would get in trouble from the actors agents and reps if it were the case), I have to say that these actors change their tune a lot. From the TVGuide interview:
"If Sarah wants to come back for a final farewell - like I did for her on her series finale - that would be fantastic," he says. "Now, that’s something for her to decide. That would be great, to have her. I think it would be great for the fans to see that.
"I think it’s a responsibility to do those [farewell] shows and give the appreciation for the fans that are watching this," Boreanaz adds. "Those are the people that tune in and have made us who were are today. It’s not like you do 50 or 100 episodes of a show and say, ’Screw you.’ You have a responsibility to your fans, and that’s important. You give as much as you can responsibly, as long as you’re having fun with it."


And now it's "I’m not generally in favour of “reunions” because there is no reason to go back. It took a lot to get me to do Buffy. At one point I really didn’t want to do it, but as a favour to Sarah I did it."

I have to say, I'm more of the mind that the actors sort of let the situation guide them. Now that he knows his show is ending, he doesn't really care if SMG comes back(perhaps the rumors that they weren't the best of buddies were true). And that's fine if he doesn't want to continue, but does he have to sound so happy about it? Doesn't he realize that fans are still fighting for it? Maybe this is his little way of telling us not to bother, because even if it got renewed, he might not be on board? If that's the case, just tell us.

Maybe I'm just a little bitter, but it feels kind of like a slap in the face to fans who are trying to get the show continued. Maybe he could keep the 'so damned relieved' bit until at least the season is over? Kind of taints the watching of the final eps knowing that David is so unhappy and was relieved to hear of the cancellation.

And again, it's kind of hard to put a 'spin' on literal quotes. Especially ones that are pretty straight forward and leave little room for interpretation.
i do find it amusing that SMG and MT say similar things about buffy ending and they get ripped apart by everybody saying they are undgrateful, etc, etc, etc and now DB says similar things and no one bashed him...........very interesting........and it is also funny that his story about wanting SMG back for the end is changed since the first famous comments he said about it..........owell, the show is coming to a close, so i hope everything works out for an incredible ending.....(With SMG in there, HEHEHE)
I wasn't trying to say anyone was putting a spin on David's quotes...obviously there are some quotes that are very straight-forward and can't really be messed with. I was just saying that there are situations where it is very easy to put a spin on quotes be it TV or print. It is also how a quote is set up by the writer that can change the dynamic of it. I don't think David was misquoted. What else can he say about the cancellation really? I don't think he was dissing the show but is just looking on the positive side of things.
Yeah this is dissappointing. And sorry, but every time people like what an actor says, they take an interview as gospel, and when they *dont'* like what he says, they instantly trip over each other in the hurry to 'blame the reporter'. Doesn't work that way. I've worked in media-related jobs as well and direct quotes are direct quotes. If they say "Today David Boreanaz said that he etc. etc." then they're paraphrasing, and interpretations can taint it. Or they can muck with the order of questions, or leave some out. But a quote is still a quote.

And frankly, unless they totally erased everything he said, and put down the dead opposite, I'd have to say an actor changed his tune again. David was always on about how Buffy and Angel should wind up together, and now this?

And to have your public reaction be 'phew, glad that is over!' is just in kinda poor taste I think. He could've said something about the great years they've had, about how it was a great opportunnity for him, how he'll miss all the cast and crew, etc etc. And sure, I can see him being excited to start something new, and there's nothing wrong with saying so, but overall, his choice of words was a bit of a let-down. At the end all he has to say it was like 'carrying a cross'?

"It sounds like he really doesn't want Buffy to show up which is in sharp contrast to his alledged comments with the TV Guide article. That's why I have a hard time believing any of these articles."

Well really, actors change their tune all the time. Not just on the Buffy/Angel shows, not just on TV. I've seen plenty interviews on TV or on live Q&As where even actors I like and respect suddenly say the opposite of what they said before. Happened to James Marsters quite a bit too. (At first he sang the praises of 'spuffy' and then suddenly it was 'Spike was just the 'bad boyfriend'! Buffy should be with Angel!')They adapt. It's part of being an actor and having a public persona.

I could be wrong, but I don't recall ever seeing Joss or the other writers changing their tunes like that and they're interviewed too by those same 'evil' reporters.
I don't really see why anyone would take offense to anything that David talked about here. Then again, I didn't find anything offensive in any of the recent SMG interviews either, so maybe it's just me. I completely understood his point about the pressures of being a lead actor on a major series. Can you imagine knowing that if you quit your job that hundreds of other people would end up on the unemployment line? I'm personally happy I'm not under that kind of obligation.

Why is it that so many people outside of the entertainment industry assume that being a movie/TV star must be the easiest life in the world? Celebrities are allowed to be stressed and have opinions about what they do. Being in the public eye is probably more maddening than any of us normal folks will ever fully realize, so I think we need to cut them some slack.

Also, kudos to David for expressing the fact that the WB really screwed over the fans. It's nice to know we're not the only ones lining up to bitchslap Levin.
I don't know what to think of DB's statements anymore. Either the journalists are really manipulating his answers or he changes his mind every few weeks. Sometimes he's enthusiastic about the show and then not at all.
I'm with Rogue Slayer here, if he doesn't want to do another season why not tell us outright so we can stop hoping and putting our poor little fan hearts into this. I like David and I completely understand his wanting to make his own choices regardless of other peoples opinions, but doesn't he feel at least a little bit of loyalty to the show?
EdDantes - Great point about the ever-evolving quotes you often get from actors on these matters.

BTW, he didn't bash the show. Just seemed to accept that it was over (which a lot of people need to do) and looking at the good points of it ending. He goes out of his way to talk about the fans being the ones getting screwed (his words) in this matter. I mean, does he have to fall to his knees and curse the heavens or something

[ edited by Unitas on 2004-03-14 21:14 ]
It doesn't really surprise me that David is happy to be leaving AtS behind. I got the impression from other interviews that he was ready to try other things. However, he must know how hard the fans are taking the news, so to come out and say what he has, in such a blunt way, is like a slap in the face to all of us who love the show. He needs to realise that without this show he wouldn't be where he is today. I understand the need to break away and do something different, I'm not going to fault him for that, but he could have sounded a little less cold and unfeeling about it all.

Well, we knew it was over, but this has really put the finishing touches to it, hasn't it? Oh well, never mind. I'm just going to enjoy the rest of the season.
I don't know how to react to this q&a. I wanted to ask a question...and I don't mean to bring up "gossip" but...I have wondered if there was any truth to this or just rag talk. Did David and Sarah have an affair that caused David & Ingrid to divorce? I've read some stuff on the internet about it and thought if any of you could clear that up for me would be great. Just curious I guess.
Oh my gosh! What the heck is David talking about?? He did it as a favour for sarah? I really dont know what to think anymore. I wanted to save Angel, not just cos i love it, but cos i thought Joss deserved another season! Now I dont know what to think. And as for the affair! Well, does anyone know anything about that??? :(
EdDantes, as you quoted me in your response, here's where I get my insight to reporters changing things. My daughter got lost when she was ten and was missing for 16 hours. When she was found, we were interviewed by many newspapers and these were "sit down in my living room talking to us one on one interviews". They sat there with pen and paper, asked us questions and then went and proceeded to write their own spin on things and had many of the facts wrong and much more interesting than what was actually said. Now, my husband also got lost when he was a child (I know, weird family tradition here) where he was also missing for hours, in a blizzard and the same exact thing happened. Stuff like "his two german shepards curled around him and kept him warm" when in actuallity there were two dogs but they were toy poodles and one of them took off and hid under the porch and the other dog was no where near him.

So I don't doubt that reporters will change things and having seen what they will write in rag magazines such as The Star or the National Enquirer I don't believe all journalism is accurate and to the point.
I'd rather we kept the "affair" off site thank you.
yeah who cares if there was an affair...........it happens all the time and is nothing new.......as far as him saying he did it as a favor to sarah, i didnt realize she was trying to get him back. maybe it was joss who wanted him back. who knows the truth, but this seems like the same way SMG and MT said when buffy was ending. but as far as comments go, i like his other one when he said he wanted SMG to come back and about giving the fans what they want. the gives off a better vibe if you ask me.
I've got a great example of reporter spin. Four years ago, my house burned. My family, which includes a severely disabled husband, was forced to spend a few weeks living at a motel while we searched for accessible temporary housing (we found out there is no such thing). Hoping maybe to turn up a lead on an empty house somewhere that we could rent, I got the local paper to come out an do a story on our search. The story ran the next day, and included how I wasn't even able to provide home-cooked meals for my husband now. The thing is, my husband feeds from a surgically-implanted gastric tube, and hasn't been able to sit up or eat a home-cooked meal in years! The reporter thought the line added sympathy, so in it went, the facts be damned. She meant well, I'm sure, and was trying to do a "good" job on the story.

Take everything you read with a HUGE grain of salt, folks.

Everybody spins Everything All the Time.
Wissxwe - I hope things are going better for you and your family now. And thank you for sharing that and backing me up that even news reporters aren't always exactly truthful if they think they can make a story sound better.
They aren't always truthful but then again not every reporter spins the truth...There are good reporters out there despite your bad experiences...
No one was saying all reporters are bad, we were just saying it is possible someone will put a spin on a story to make it sound better and that just because you read it in print, doesn't make it 100% true.

[ edited by blwessels on 2004-03-14 23:29 ]
I wanted to save Angel, not just cos i love it, but cos i thought Joss deserved another season!

You know, Joss may have a bright side to look at as well. I mean, he's stated a few times that he had never intended on going into television, he always wanted to do film. Now with Serenity he's not only writing but also directing--if it does well perhaps he won't want to go back to television. I'm sure he was genuinely hurt, shocked, and annoyed by the cancellation and would rather have it end on his terms but that doesn't mean he might not be really tired of dealing with network television. There's no way to know but he might feel somewhat similarly to Boreanaz, that's a lot of pressure.
This is a direct "Question and Answer" interview. Not much room for spinning anything.
There's always room for spin, even in a Q&A type. Not saying anything about this article specifically, but if there had been 20 questions asked and 6 of them made it to print, then there is the potential for spin. And then there is always the possibility that an author could leave off the last sentence or two from an answer. Context means a lot.
I'm not going to comment on the article - Not a big DB fan, personally, and the whole interview just made me a little bitter. However, thought I'd throw it out there that a few people from AU have since told me that tvweek is rather like a tabloid magazine, and generally what they print is taken out of context or altogether without any truth. I have no way of knowing if they're being honest with me or not, but I figured someone here may be able to either back that up or dismiss it based on tvweeks reputation, not reporters in general.
Before getting upset at DB because the fans are working so hard to Save Angel, think about whether anyone at the show asked for help in saving it.

When the SavingAngel folks told the producers at my party how much they had raised, the producers were concerned. The ladies said that they shouldn't be concerned, because this is the fans' way of showing appreciation.

Showing appreciation is very different from saving.

There's time right now for people to find new work.

The shows only option is these teevee movies.

If given the option between part time and full time work, I would guess people would be looking for full time.

I don't think that David Boreanaz is being rude, maybe just blunt? And maybe he doesn't fully understand what the fans have raised and what they've done. That should also be taken into consideration.

Also? What if people do find new and exciting work, only to be sucked back into Angel if a Miracle somehow happens?

This is why the campaigns should have asked the show first, if THEY were fighting. There was no fight from them.

And I wish, more than anything else, that someone "official" had posted something like that to the fans. You know, something along the lines of, "we're sad, but we're going to do this thing, or we're going to call it a day, or whatever."

I mean, they might do teevee movies. But that's already been offered by the WB, before the campaigns even started. You know?

I know. I'm evil or whatever.
Actually Allyson I don't think anything you say here is evil. I think you are our voice of reason we don't want to hear, but ultimately we need to hear it. (which is supposed to sound like a compliment truely, if it wasn't for the voices of reason here I would be in complete denial)

I was part of the MSN chat thing with DB, and he said there (in between his nothing answers) he wants to move on and before this he never signed onto a sixth season or showed interest, regardless of a renewal or not.

I am very greatful of the time the Jossverse has been in my living room and i will miss it dearly, and i will cling to that one sliver of hope that maybe we'll get another season, but that sliver is getting thinner.

And I always thought the tv movie idea was bull. That will never happen because other people will get new jobs and rightfully move on.

.....it's only been a month since that WB Press Release has come out... it feels like it's been longer. And i think everyone here needs to stop and see how many campaigns and petitions and awareness we've gotten over this one show in this short time. I'm proud to be a fan of this show, and i hope they have enough time to have the sendoff they deserve.
Actually it seems to me that most people are pretty comfortable with David's opinion but have reservations about the interview itself.

This is why the campaigns should have asked the show first, if THEY were fighting. There was no fight from them.

I don't know anything about Save Angel but I thought Saving Angel started in response to the news that Joss was shopping it to UPN. Maybe I'm just confused.

And I wish, more than anything else, that someone "official" had posted something like that to the fans. You know, something along the lines of, "we're sad, but we're going to do this thing, or we're going to call it a day, or whatever."

I agree. Other people have mentioned that a while ago. It seems strange to me that you have said before that they told you they were very concerned about donations and yet no one did reach out to the fans. Do you have any insight into why that is? Did no one have the time? Was there fence-sitting?
FYI: David has always been described as "Carefee". He doesn't often takes things and stress over it or worry. He just takes them as they come and move on from there. Plus, he's fickle... either that or he doesn't care. It was only a year ago where Buffy was just a crush and Cordy is Angel's destiny. Now it's back to Buffy is Angel's true love.

With that said, this is DB and you shouldn't take his carefree-ness as an act of ungratefulness or a lack of caring about the show. In many interview this is how he comes off. Carefree. What happens, happens, and he moves on.
Joss made a courtesy call to UPN. Different than a pitch. I'm not sure if that was made clear at the time, though. Or if anyone showside said, "hey, fans can help!"

The fans were acting on incomplete info, and of course, the feeling of loss and wanting to do something about it. Which I do understand.
Reading through this--I really wonder if DB's response about "reunion shows" is actually in reference to the possible "Buffy/Angel" TV movie thingy, and if maybe, intentionally or not, the reporter kinda shifted the questions and answers around. Don't slay me--but the tv movie idea just doesn't really turn my crank either.
I've gotta say though, in any interview on tv or in print that I have seen with DB, it was always REALLY striking how up-beat and down to earth and positive DB's tone always was. And in interviews and stuff he often seems irresitibly sweet and goofy(So what if he has a baby with Playboy Bunny! We were meant for each other! Really! :-) ).Even in the TV Guide tirade, he still sounded like himself. This interview does sound bitter and unBoreanezesque. To me.
I for one wasn't talking at all about how he 'shouldn't' say this or that 'because' fans are trying to save Angel. I was talking about how he could've said something nice about the show that made him great as well besides just sighing of relief about 'finally getting rid' of this 'cross he had to bear'. And saying 'oh he's just carefree' doesn't cut it, sorry.

No one asked the fans to do anything but then no one ever claimed they had either, so I have no idea why that is even an issue. If there were no or little protestations from fans my reaction to this article would have been the same.

Also, blwessels and others, I know how the media can twist things, and I know plenty of examples myself where I had personal knowledge of a topic and read about it in the paper and noticed 60% of it was wrong. But those are articles are written out like essays in which they incorporate information how they want it(including adding things, interpreting them, etc). The article that this thread is about is nothing but a handful of questions with direct quotes as answers. It's not the same thing. That is why I said I would agree if they were paraphrasing, but this is nothing but a direct Q&A.

As for any affair: Highly doubt it. Couldn't care less.

James, Alyson, Eliza, Tony, Nick and others have all moved on or are going to, and yet they've all managed to make sure to state how much they've enjoyed it and appreciate what it did for their careers. To now just act like you're glad to be rid of it because it was a 'burden' while you know fans (and most likely coworkers) are still mourning the loss of the show....well it just shows a little less class than I would have expected of David and I'm simply disappointed, that's all.
According to some reports on BAPS the source of this interview is not the most reliable
The fans were acting on incomplete info, and of course, the feeling of loss and wanting to do something about it.

I think the movement to get Angel renewed was pretty much started the day(or day after) it go canceled. When there was NO info except it was canceled. The movement continued past the official statements from the WB, actors, ME, etc. It's still going on now, when we're all pretty sure it's tanked. When even the star of the show is 'relieved' to be rid of it. I don't think much is going to dissuade fan campaigns until every avenue and possibility has been exhausted. Or maybe if Joss came out and said, "Look folks, thanks for the effort, but we don't even what another season."(Which he'll never say, because he himself was surprised at the cancellation and was expecting a 6th season.)

And the info I heard(and it may be incorrect) was that FOX or ME was trying to put together a proposal for UPN. Much different from a courtesy call. Whether that was true, we know now it's not an option. Is it stopping people from fighting? No. And again, I see no harm in continuing the good fight. Though now it feels like trying to save someone from the electric chair who just wants to die.....

And wouldn't that just suck if, by some miracle, fan support did get another season and DB said, "Sorry folks, I'm outta here." Well, basically what he's implying now....

And it cracks me up that people automatically assume that actors would be more scrupulous than reporters.....Is changing your tune worse or better than writing a story with a slant?
EdDantes, I never questioned this article. I compared it to what he said in the TV Guide article and mentioned the differences and said that is why I have a hard time believing everything that is written is fact. If anything, I made it clear that I thought the comments in TV Guide were the misleading ones (hence "alleged TV Guide comments). I seriously had a hard time picturing him getting upset because SMG didn't want to guest star on his show. I had no problems at all with this article in itself and saw nothing wrong with his attitude as well. And as someone else pointed out, we have no way of knowing if there were more questions that he answered that just weren't printed. When you sit down to an interview you are trusting the writer to show you in a true light. They don't always do that. You have no say in what questions they actually use. And honestly, if I was interviewing David Boreanaz or any of the other stars of Buffy, Firefly or Angel, I'd have a lot more than six questions to ask so I bet there were more questions that he answered. I would've asked more leading questions like, "What did this role mean to you?" "Do you have any projects coming up?" "What was it like playing the same character for eight years?" "What will you miss the most?" And for all we know, he was asked questions like that but they didn't print them.

When I've seen him on TV in interviews he comes across as very open and very playful, the complete opposite of his television character. He seems to be a geniune people person so I really doubt he would deliberately disrespect the fans. But I can understand why you took offense with his comments "So it was actually a big relief for me and, personally, it gave me a big sense of freedom." and "the cross to bear". But I can kind of understand if he meant it as a weight lifted off his shoulders because they've been expecting this for a couple of years now.
Again, I don't know if I can fault him for facing the facts. The WB has been less than supportive of Angel almost from the beginning and every year to be waiting to get the go ahead for another season must've sucked. As someone directly involved, he might've been preparing himself for a couple of seasons now that it was going to be over so now that it is, he can stop worrying about it. I know that does come across as harsh but it's a self preservation thing. If my job was constantly on the bubble, I might also feel relief if the "worst" finally happened and just want to move on with my life.

And I'm not trying to say your reaction is wrong either. But I have heard him in interviews say he doesn't watch the show and has never seen a full episode (which, personally, I find that hard to believe). So it is possible he really is out of touch with the fans feelings and just sees this as a job. And it would be smarter to maybe keep his feelings of relief to himself because people most likely will take it the wrong way.

I honestly feel these shows are the best gigs any of these stars are ever going to get and that it will be hard for any of them to find the same kind of success outside of these shows. I'd love to see them all succeed but most television stars disappear into obscurity once their shows end so I hope he really does realize what he had.
Off topic: If you want to see an actress really make a bit of a fool of herself, check out Mischa Barton's (The O.C.) latest interview in Elle. She manages to subtly insult most of her co-stars and trash talk the fans, rolling her eyes at a letter she got from a soldier who got his leg cut off. No, seriously.
Okay, I know it's off topic but that was hilarious. I'd never heard of her before. It would be wrong to let Barton's casual condescension go unmentioned...--primarily because it's so damn funny.
Sorry to continue the off-topicness but I think this quote from Caroline's link is worth mentioning: "Everyone who survives adolescence does so in part by learning to dull herself to the full humanity of the people around her - particularly that of those who adore her the most." I didn't know Elle could be so insightful.
I just can't get over the fact that she prefers her own sexiness.

*crickets chirping*
Okay, I just read that Mischa Barton interview. Is that truly for real?!?!! I am so glad that wasn't any of the stars from Buffy or Angel because that truly was unbelievable. Here we are debating (and I am guilty of this myself too)a comment here or there from an interview on whether or not the actor/actress comes across sounding like a jerk and this entire article was nothing but insulting everyone it seems this girl comes in contact with.

Thanks for that Caroline - if it wasn't so sad it would've been very funny.
Hey, let us not forget the wise words of Cordelia Chase, may she rest in peace....."Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass."

That's it! Barton is a Cordette!

But then again, as has been said before, maybe the reporter twisted this stuff....took it out of context.....

Why do we automatically think all THIS stuff is true, yet doubt a few negative(or seemingly negative) lines from one of our favs?
Possibly because the entire article was filled with this stuff and in most cases the articles we read about the Buffyverse actors are usually one little quote that everyone seems to get in an uproar over.

[ edited by blwessels on 2004-03-15 03:29 ]
I'm from Australia, and I can safely say that TVWeek should be taken lightly, even with seemingly direct and straight-forward questions and answers like this. It's a tabloid magazine, and is published by the same company that does another shockingly shallow tabloid magazine, New Idea (often refered to as "No Idea"). They once reported that SMG was so disliked when she guest starred on the Simpsons that some of the writers/directors (I can't remember who it refered to) walked out.

Also take into account that a lot of Hollywood actors either don't like doing interviews with reporters from smaller countries like Australia, or really don't care what they say because they think it's not really going to reach the ears of many people. While DB is no doubt a little blunt with some of his comments, I would bet a lot of money that TVWeek has cut some other questions or even parts of the answers that may be much more positive than this article portrays him to be.

(To drop the credibility even more of these crappy magazines, No Idea once reported Nicole Kidman was on drugs, using fuzzy photos from a shoot from her movie "Practical Magic".)
if SMG would have said the comments that DB did, then she would have been ripped apart in this thread. she seems to bring out the worst in people for some reason. i think its funny..........but thats off topic too sorry
blwessels"I compared it to what he said in the TV Guide article and mentioned the differences and said that is why I have a hard time believing everything that is written is fact"

I understand that, but I meant that just because actors statements are contradictory doesn't necessarily it's not true. As I said, there's plenty I've seen and/or heard from their own mouths that contradicts their own earlier words. All actors do that. They adapt to sitations not unlike politicians. I wouldn't be surprised if part of David's motivation is to save face a bit. He got cancelled. "Oh I'm fine with that." Something like that. I don't know, just thinking out loud there, but it's possible.

"we have no way of knowing if there were more questions that he answered that just weren't printed. "

Yeah I said that too actually, which is the benefit of the doubt I'm willing to give him, but it still doesn't negate the fact his other comments were not exactly complimentary to the show.

"And I'm not trying to say your reaction is wrong either. But I have heard him in interviews say he doesn't watch the show and has never seen a full episode (which, personally, I find that hard to believe)."

Yeah actually, a lot of TV actors have said that. It's always puzzled me. Is it just a thing to say to look cool?

"is possible he really is out of touch with the fans feelings and just sees this as a job. And it would be smarter to maybe keep his feelings of relief to himself because people most likely will take it the wrong way."

Yeah that was my point. It's just not that hard to say....well, nicer stuff. And I know it's not that hard because most of the other actors manage it.

"I honestly feel these shows are the best gigs any of these stars are ever going to get and that it will be hard for any of them to find the same kind of success outside of these shows. I'd love to see them all succeed but most television stars disappear into obscurity once their shows end so I hope he really does realize what he had."

Uhm, yes......uhm...I was going to say that....but....now you've said it already. Damn;-)

As for that OC chick.....WTF????? That is hilarious! That makes MT look like the height of 'interview-correctness'!! That was hilarious! Does this girl have an agent?? Does he know what she's spouting to the press!? Gawd, I would HATE for one of the Buffy/Angel actors to've said that kind of stuff.

Love the bit where she basically waves away the legless fan as some kinda crackpot. Good grief, she needs a smack up the head.

Oh and Norman? If SMG had said the remarks DB did I would've said the same stuff. On one hand I would've been less surprised because I've had the impression for years that she did not like the show as much as some other actors, but on the other hand, I would've been more surprised because she's way too professional to ever say this kind of stuff out loud. (She leaves that up to her husband;-)

And I've never 'ripped' anyone 'apart' either.
Some info on the article via totallydavidboreanaznuk.com

14 March 2004

It seems that many people seem to believe that this interview is fabricated. It is not the case. The interview was conducted for TVWeek by Jenny Cooney Carrillo, a respected US journalist. This journalist has conducted interviews with David previously, undercontract for UK Dreamwatch magazine.

I've got a strange feeling in a few years the leads in Buffy and Angel will all be looking back wishing they had fought harder for another season rather than giving into feelings of burnout or "freedom". It would be ironic if they became the next generation of fodder as forgotten celebrities on reality shows someday, after giving up so soon on audiences that onced loved them.

We may never again see the quality of drama, writing and acting in TV series like Buffy and then Angel. As much as I didn't care for season 5 (or season 7 for that matter) I'll take them anyday over everything since or in development for the near future.
The leads will be making money from licensing and residuals for a long time to come.

I change jobs every three years, myself, to avoid burnout.
Must say that I enjoy these type of threads chiefly to see people work themselves up into a lather over the banal quotes of whatever series star is interviewed this week (this one has been a corker, btw). To be honest, I could care less what Boreanaz, Trachtenberg or whoever really think of the show at any given moment as long as they do their job when on screen. Hey, they have complex & contradictory feelings about there job like every single perosn I know.

Mainly, I wanted to post to say how cool Allyson is. She has been a rare voice of common sense in this rather odd land, and I find myself looking at threads just to see her posts.

[ edited by Unitas on 2004-03-15 11:17 ]
I'll weigh in and say that "Save Angel.org" was started because Joss posted this:

"...No, we had no idea this was coming. Yes, we will finish out the season. No, I don't think the WB is doing the right thing. Yes, I'm grateful they did it early enough for my people to find other jobs.

Yes, my heart is breaking.

When Buffy ended, I was tapped out and ready to send it off. When Firefly got the axe, I went into a state of denial so huge it may very well cause a movie. But Angel... we really were starting to feel like we were on top, hitting our stride -- and then we strode right into the Pit of Snakes 'n' Lava. I'm so into these characters, these actors, the situations we're building... you wanna know how I feel? Watch the first act of "The Body."...


At that point it was obvious that he expected and wanted the series to go on for another season. We haven't heard anything contrary to that. If Joss were to come out and say, "That's it, folks, thanks for all your hard work, but the show is over" well, then, I'd say yes, let's wrap up the campaigns and wish them a fond farewell.
The last time Joss posted about Angel, he said he didn't care about spoilers anymore and gave clues about the finale, since they were canceled.

The last time he posted, he talked about comic books, and mentioned Angel not at all.

The post you want may never happen, and you'll still be campaigning ten years from now.

He may have expected the series to go on, but I've heard from others who hadn't, and thought five years was an amazing run. So there's that, as well.

Again, Angel's only real chances of continuing are the teevee movies, and that's a part time gig. And the question remains, "who's going to write it?"

The Angel writers are in high demand, and so, I would guess that they'll go on to write full time for other series.

Season six? Not so much going to happen.

I mean, call and ask, yourself, what the plans are, what they think the chances are. Stop guessing at a post from a month ago. A lot changes in a month.
Oh wow. Unitas, that was a lovely thing to say.
Hey, they have complex & contradictory feelings about there job like every single perosn I know.


Very true, but we just expect them to have a bit more tact and compassion for their fans.

The leads will be making money from licensing and residuals for a long time to come.
I change jobs every three years, myself, to avoid burnout.


That's if their reps got them good deals.

And it still ticks me off to hear actor complain about their hard schedule and tough lives. Try being a teacher, or a nurse, or a garbage man, then talk to me about burnout. Not saying they should have to do their shows indefinitely, but they need a bit of perspective. Crap like that reminds me of a comment SMG once made about "Actors don't get a break, even teachers get a break." Well, first of all, not true. She got a 3 month-ish hiatus from her show where she chose to do other projects. Teachers, meanwhile, usually work all summer preparing for the next year or at other jobs because their teaching jobs pay so poorly.
I really think some of these actors need a reality check. And also to realize, they are probably at the height of their fame, as much as I wish better for them.

Season six? Not so much going to happen.
I mean, call and ask, yourself, what the plans are, what they think the chances are. Stop guessing at a post from a month ago. A lot changes in a month.


You'd think that when the (admittedly small) LA Rally happened, and the organizers called reps for ME and asked the best place to hold it, they might have told them to 'Give it up, there's no hope', as seems to be your opinion. Wonder why they didn't do that. Maybe because they figured even though there's not much chance of anything positive coming, it's not going to hurt to try. Or it's possible some folks at ME hold out a slim hope of a miracle. I could be wrong, but I'm just glad not everyone at ME is as rainy as some folks here.
Just a comment about reporters and spin.

I was at a dinner party and got to talking to one of the other guests who was a reporter for The Toronto Sun (a tabloid). The reporter had just written a story about a serious crime committed by a juvenile and had worked hard to write a balanced story. The editor then ripped the story apart in order to give it that paper's particular slant on crime and race. The reporters name was still placed on the story.

Reporters aren't always to "blame".
Found the post Spoilers for unAmerican audience:

joss - Mar 3, 2004 7:48:58 pm PST #5471 of 6128 Mark
"What's the rumpus?"

Just so we're clear: The song montage at the end was my choice, as was the song. Which I adore. If you hated it, I'm your bag to punch. And it wasn't for lack of an idea, it was to convey the greif they all felt and bookend the opening of last week's ep, showing Fred heading off into her new (nasty, brutish, short) life.

DeKnight (and his cast) kicked it out. And for my money, Kim Ritchey rules.

And by the way, since we're cancelled, I don't give a @#$% about spoilers anymore, so here's how it ends: think "The Girl Can't Help It" meets "Enemy Mine".

You know what I'm talking about. Oh yeah.

Rogue Slayer, I talked to them the day of the rally, too. Notice how my opinion hasn't changed? I wouldn't call it "rainy" I'd call it "realistic." Because when I spoke to Chris, he spoke of the teevee movies, not a season six. When they called Mutant Enemy, who did they talk to? Did they ask if what they were doing would help...do whatever they wanted? (Unsure if they said that they were rallying for a full season six or to support the show).

I mean, there's only four people at Mutant Enemy. If they just called and said, "where should we stand?" they probably just told them where they would stand that wouldn't get them into trouble, I suppose. Maybe even wished them luck.
Oh wow. Unitas, that was a lovely thing to say.

Yeah, and what an insult to the rest of us. Perhaps if you bothered to read more than Allyson's comments you wouldn't assume everyone else is a wing-nut.
Damn it. Never seen or heard of "THe Girl Can't Help It' or "Enemy Mine". So... what are they about? Anybody?

ETA: Never mind, just looked them both up and I've got a pretty good idea how the season will progress. :)

[ edited by nychick on 2004-03-15 18:14 ]
No matter what, the networks should know how angry we all are. I’ve sent two postcards to WB affiliates expressing how “disappointed” I was about Angel’s cancellation. It is not just us that are mad. There was a Newsweek article, roughly a month ago, about whatever happened to family television. Most reality TV is simply inappropriate for network programming, and it has gone too far. When even ESPN has a show called Dream Job (basically American Idol for sportscasters), that’s a sign. Networks only care about what sells anymore, and they keep shoving it in our face with no considering of whether it is quality entertainment. I don’t plan to watch Wonderfalls until Fox calls it a hit. Yeah, that’s right, the network, not the viewers, decide if a show is a hit these days. Years from now, I have no intention of shutting up about how they have screwed with us. I want everyone to know that there once was vividly original show called Buffy the Vampire Slayer and a wonderful spinoff called Angel. The general public never knew what they missed.



(whimpers and tears) “When I heard that Angel was cancelled, I was having fruit punch, and I thought well Spike and Angel and those other vampires will NEVER HAVE anymore fruit punch that looks like blood EVER!!! It’s stupid. It’s mortal and stupid, and no one will explain to me WHY!?!?!?” (turns evil and all-powerful and causes computer equipment to overload)
Hey guys, we're doing that thing again. Talking about the people who post and not the shows and related ephemera. Focus please.
You know what? I think that either David didn't say that stuff or he didn't mean it the way it sounds.
As someone who was devastated when Firefly got cancelled I was very much aware of how much effort Joss Whedon was putting into trying to get another network to take it on and there were many articles and interviews about how much he wanted it to go on and what he and ME were doing and who they were talking to. It has been obvious that has not been the case with Angel. Yes, they did try with UPN but that seems to be it. To me that is an indication that they at least feel the story had it's chance and they just don't have the desire to try and save this show. That doesn't mean they, Whedon and ME, were happy that the show was cancelled, it's just that they either don't think they have a chance to save it or they are moving on to other things.

I also still don't feel that David said anything horrible in this interview, I think it is more of a case that they've seen the writing on the wall for a couple of years now, were prepared for it to happen and are ready to see what else life has to offer. Having seen him on tv interviews, he is a very outgoing, boisterous person who seems to really be enjoying life and not taking it too seriously. One of the interviews I saw was on the Sharon Osborne show where he's sitting shoeless, with his feet up while his two dogs are walking around the set peeing on everything. He was just totally laid back and having fun. (Which again, is why I doubted the TV Guide description making him sound like he was furious that SMG wasn't going to guest star, it didn't seem to fit with what I've seen of him and how he comes across as totally laid back).

Joss is gearing up to do Firefly now and that will be time consuming for him. He has made no attempt to hide his disgust with network tv since the whole Buffy/WB thing, then Firefly and now Angel. He is obviously ready to leave TV land and make his mark in movies (not that he hasn't been successful in that arena before, but nows his chance to shine).

As for them making money with licensing and residuals, I'm sure, in this day and age, they got good deals. There has been too much discussion about how stars of the past ended up with nothing (Gilligan's Island and Brady Bunch actors for instance) that I highly doubt any agent wouldn't cover that in any contract, or that SAG or other union type groups wouldn't make sure those are standards in a contract. So I'm sure with repeats in syndication and DVD sales they all should be bringing in a nice annual salary.

Also, it's obvious that Buffy writers are in demand because they've all had projects going on since Buffy ended and I'm sure the Angel writers will also be in demand.

I hope the actors also have successful careers after this. But it's a tough industry for actors who are at the mercy of fickle fans. That's not a dig at anyone posting here, that's just a general feeling of how audiences can love someone for a period of time and then the next day they're are so yesterdays news.

SMG, AH and MT seem to be doing well, all with promising projects on the horizon. Amber Benson is not only still acting but she's tried her hand at writing and is managing to keep her name out there. ABC Family seems to be in love with former Buffy cast members now having done three movies with our favorite stars. And too bad Miss Match doesn't seem to be coming back because CC was becoming pretty much a regular and Nathan Fillion had just guest starred in what seemed to be a recurring role too. And I don't know how big DBs role in The Crow is to be but it sounds like it's an interesting role that could open doors for him.

And about whether or not the fans should give up or keep going, again, if it makes someone feel better to have given their support by writing a letter or donating to an ad campaign I don't see anything wrong with that but I don't think ME really has encouraged any of it, especially if you compare how they reacted to the cancellation of Firefly, which they went all out with trying to save. It made me feel better to write a letter and express my feelings on why this show should be saved. I know it's most likely not going to happen but it just made me feel better.

But I'm also glad that you, Allyson, have had some inside information that you have shared because I also like to know if there is hope or not. I don't want to get my hopes up if there really isn't a chance. And I'm sure if some miracle happened and the show was renewed you'd be just as happy as everyone else but I get that is most likely not going to happen.
NyChick: Enemy Mine (description from Amazon.com of VHS version)

"Lizard-like Draconian Louis Gossett Jr. and his mortal enemy, earthling Dennis Quaid, crash-land on a hostile planet during a brutal space battle. Forced to rely on one another for survival, they overcome their differences and become fast friends. You can almost hear them break into an off-key version of "It's a Small World." German director Wolfgang Petersen, so brutally honest with his film Das Boot, turns warm and cuddly on us with this intergalactic buddy movie. Much of the problem, though, is that the script sets us up for an intriguing encounter, then settles for a simple and sentimental resolution. Noteworthy set design and strong performances, especially by Gossett, push this beyond mere mediocrity. His performance is fascinating, as he must speak in an alien tongue, which he maintains with artistry and consistency."

It was actually a really good movie!
The book was better
I'll keep this short, Herb.

Stakeholder - I do read other's comments. I try to make a point of reading everything written in a thread before I (rarely) post. I just think this whole thing is rather silly. It's a bunch of people getting into a huff over DB not crying over cancellation or kissing our feet for being 'fans'. For me, it's kinda fun to watch the silliness.
I think David Boreanaz can consider himself lucky that Angel was cancelled. He is absolved. No one is going to be pointing fingers and blaming him for not wanting to continue. I do hope he realizes how lucky he was to be part of something that will never come again, but when you see him talk about his son, you just want him to go be Mr Mom for a while. To go home and help raise a decent human being. One that won't grow up to be a television network executive.
Great post blwessels ITA, saved me typing a hell of a lot.

. He is absolved. No one is going to be pointing fingers and blaming him for not wanting to continue

DB had just signed a new contract. No one would have been blaiming him, because he was continuing
David Boreanaz has always struck me in interviews as good-natured, matter of fact and rather unsentimental. What he said in this interview doesn't bother me at all. He didn't put down the show or the fans. He simply expressed relief that he'll have a chance to relax and spend more time with his family now without it being his fault that people are losing their jobs. Plus do other stuff as an actor. Sounds reasonable to me that someone like David B. would try to put a positive spin on things.
Ocipital-- I meant in relation to how people like to play Blame Sarah for her deciding to call it quits with Buffy.
To go home and help raise a decent human being. One that won't grow up to be a television network executive.

Another good one bloodflowers :)

Stakeholder - I do read other's comments.

Did you? Because many of us--me, Simon, blwessels, Caroline, MindPieces, cal, nychick--were supportive of his statements. In fact, I find this thread very weird because a lot of people seem to be entreating people not to be hard on him although most people don't seem to be.

[ edited by stakeholder on 2004-03-15 19:31 ]
Rogue Slayer, I talked to them the day of the rally, too. Notice how my opinion hasn't changed?

Not even remotely surprised your opinion hasn't changed. Notice how mine hasn't either? Isn't that nice?

I mean, there's only four people at Mutant Enemy. If they just called and said, "where should we stand?" they probably just told them where they would stand that wouldn't get them into trouble, I suppose. Maybe even wished them luck.

Actually, what happened was, a WB rep came out and asked the ralliers to relocate. The organizer called someone from ME who stated they would be better off at the WB Ranch, versus where they had been initially, since the Ranch is where the tv production offices are(not a clue if that's true, not having been there myself, though my hubby was). I still say that if all the people at ME were of the same mindset as you, they would have discouraged the support of renewal, as you repeatedly do.
I still say that if all the people at ME were of the same mindset as you, they would have discouraged the support of renewal, as you repeatedly do.

Because you know them so well?

Also, they did discourage the collection of money for renewal. Over and over again. That's ignored. By the people collecting money. Isn't that nice?

Oof. Sorry Herb, I'll stop.

[ edited by Allyson on 2004-03-15 19:41 ]

[ edited by Allyson on 2004-03-15 19:42 ]
Stop with the commenting on each other. Thank you. Otherwise this thread will be declared a dead thread.
Checked back in and things are hippty-hopping in this little (soon to be dead?) thread. I just wanted to say that yes, DB's comments have many defenders (why they would need them is another question for another day) but that the negative sets the tone in these matters so I guess I focused on that. And in these actor interview threads, it's the part I find the most fun because it always manages to surprise me or gives me a chuckle what some get upset over.

I will not post again on this but like any good southern (California) gentleman I wished to defend my honor. How do you type a drawl?
Well Unitas, seeing as how you 'gentleman' were the one to start commenting on other posters, basically telling us how you just came here to laugh at us, that's pretty interesting.

Ah sorry Simon, I'll stop. Don't hit me.

This thread was about DB's comments and some simply felt he could've said some nicer stuff besides complain about the 'cross' he had to bear. No one here was screaming raving or namecalling I believe. And I still think to complain that much about the biggest thing in your career, and made you rich and famous and still has people fighting for it is it little less than classy. (Never used the word horrible either.)

Btw most know there's no chance and they fight for it anyway. Because as I pointed out verry often by now, we're adults and don't need anyone's blessing or permission and maybe it just makes us feel better.
I feel like quoteing Pacino from Part III. EdDantes, you are quite right and the chickle line is pretty darn snotty on my part (really odd weekend is my only defense). I meant it more as my amusement over human beings inability to understand/communicate with each other then anything at a particular person. I was being all blunt, must be DB's influence. Maybe I should compare myself to Christ now as well.

On that little matter. I think I find people comparing themselves to Rosa Parks more irratating than people comparing themselves to Christ but it's probably the bitter Catholic in me.

[ edited by Unitas on 2004-03-15 20:53 ]
I still say that if all the people at ME were of the same mindset as you, they would have discouraged the support of renewal, as you repeatedly do.

Because you know them so well?


Never intimated I did. But logic shows that if these folks were like you, they would respond/react the way you do. Pretty simple equation.


Btw most know there's no chance and they fight for it anyway. Because as I pointed out verry often by now, we're adults and don't need anyone's blessing or permission and maybe it just makes us feel better.

Exactly, and comments like David's(in my opinion, of course) do more than just discourage supporters, it also seems to taint the show. When I found out that SMG and Joss were pretty much done with Buffy(seemingly before season 7) and spoke rather negatively, at times, about the experience, it kind of puts a certain twist on the way you watch it. When you hear that everyone on Firefly had a blast and got along, you almost start to see it in the eps. And, conversely, when you hear things about people not getting along and being really done with a project that you as a fan are really behind, you(or at least I do, to a certain extent) get a little bummed that the people who bring you this great entertainment are just waiting for it to be over so they can move on. Relieved, even. I think it starts to seep into the work, but that could just be me projecting! :)
“Btw most know there's no chance and they fight for it anyway. Because as I pointed out very often by now, we're adults and don't need anyone's blessing or permission and maybe it just makes us feel better.”

That kind of reminds me of what Anya says to Andrew in the hospital during “End of Days”,

“And they [humans] have no purpose that unites them, so they just drift around, blundering through life until they die...which they...they know is coming, yet every single one of them is surprised when it happens to them. They're incapable of thinking about what they want beyond the moment. They kill each other, which is clearly insane. And yet, here's the thing. When it's something that really matters, they fight. I mean, they're lame morons for fighting, but they do. They never... never quit. So I guess I will keep fighting, too.”

However fruitless, people should always be allowed to fight for what they believe in without fear of persecution, especially from those within the same group, in this case, the Whedon fan base. Although, it is not something I would personally do, I admire the fans rallying and donating money. It is their own way of showing how passionate they are for the show we all love.

Honestly, these personal-type arguments back and forth are not in the regular vein of Whedonesque and you should listen to the Admins, guys. These little tiffs can make it uncomfortable for other posters to participate in discussions.
That kind of reminds me of what Anya says to Andrew in the hospital during “End of Days”,

“And they [humans] have no purpose that unites them, so they just drift around, blundering through life until they die...which they...they know is coming, yet every single one of them is surprised when it happens to them. They're incapable of thinking about what they want beyond the moment. They kill each other, which is clearly insane. And yet, here's the thing. When it's something that really matters, they fight. I mean, they're lame morons for fighting, but they do. They never... never quit. So I guess I will keep fighting, too.”

However fruitless, people should always be allowed to fight for what they believe in without fear of persecution, especially from those within the same group, in this case, the Whedon fan base. Although, it is not something I would personally do, I admire the fans rallying and donating money. It is their own way of showing how passionate they are for the show we all love.



Amen to that. Well put. Good usage of our beloved Anya.....
Yeah, um...I really am reluctant to post here, either in support of or against David's comments. It's just a smidge sticky up in here.
But I do want to say that I personally have used the phrase "it's my cross to bear" more than once and that he didn't compare himself to Christ so much as use a metaphor. Thank you.
The line to start bashing me personally forms to the left. (Calm down, children...it's a joke.)
Just a couple of comments, loved the Micha Barton article. What a bitka!
However, as many people have mentioned before, journalists, and editors, can change the tone and feeling of any interview or article so much, and even in 'live' interviews the impression can change depending on if it's tv or radio. For example the famous Nixon Vs Kennedy tv debate ( going back a while...!) had the majority of radio listeners giving Nixon the dabate while TV viewers thought Kennedy walked it. Being able to SEE the person, their expressions and gestures, made such a big difference.

And all articles for print are at the mercy of the editor. I learnt many years ago that articles must be written with all the facts at the start of the article, and later paragraphs merely repeat themselves while adding more detail. So the editor, depending on how much space he needs to fill, can end the article at any point and it's still a complete story.
So in this case we have the bare facts from DB, maybe later on he went on to say how much he loved doing the show, how he'll miss it. I guess we'll never know...
Guys, we could cut DB (and other ME folks) some slack by simply allowing them to be both grateful for the wonderful opportunities working on these shows AND relieved that such a grueling job is over. Both are possible. I don't find it difficult to give DB, or any other cast member, the benefit of the doubt. As I recall, David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson said very similar things during their X-Files heydays: great job, horrible schedule, would love to have a life again. Not so hard to sympathize with as I'm sure most of us have been in similar situations even if we're not tv stars.
maybe later on he went on to say how much he loved doing the show, how he'll miss it. I guess we'll never know...

I suppose that is possible, but to say something like:


So it was actually a big relief for me and, personally, it gave me a big sense of freedom. I felt like a big weight had been lifted from my shoulders.

And then go on to say how much he'll miss it.....I just don't see that happening. He was relieved. You don't usually miss things that you're relieved to have gone. (Except maybe family on the holidays) Maybe he'll miss some of the people, but for some reason DB never struck me as a big socializer with his coworkers. I know he knew Christian Kane before Angel, but other than that, I don't think he makes a lot of friends on set. Nothing wrong with that, but I just don't see much for him to miss.

[ edited by Rogue Slayer on 2004-03-15 22:37 ]
Angel is no more.
Feverent fans are up in arms.
Dons asbestos suit.
And here I was just thinking this discussion needed a little haiku to round it out...


(hee hee hee - good job splay)
I don't think feverent is a word...and if it is, it makes the second line 8 syllables.
I think splay meant, "fervent". In that case it works. Haha, I like it!

[ edited by Karen on 2004-03-15 22:59 ]
Oh, I was reading it with a Shakespearian sort of spin on it--I thought it was "FEEVrunt". I like it!
O.K.--actors when working, are in a company, a corporation, and when in a coprpration a good employee follows the company line.

Everything you say in public is weighed in as support to ME policy and goals. You have thoughts and comments in private, but it is considered very bad form to go against the line in public.

That's just good business. Now you know all these actors are prepped on what to say, what angle to encourage to faciliate get a certain response.

If you notice, if you compare interviews pre season 5--they all had the same flavor. That is to be expected.

Maybe he made noises about SMG coming back because Joss wanted her back. JM even said in and interview he had called SMG (because they are friends) and told how much fun it would be if she came back. Another tidbit dropped in the global media to get to her.

Hollywood works very indirectly a lot of times, the message, the phone call the unreturned phone call--I had a friend whose comedy act was close to getting picked up by a cable network...and he didn't know it had fallen apart until he realized he just couldn't get through to talk to the head guy...it was all 'yes, yes'...until he just couldn't get through.

He kept getting messages like: the guy was sick, somone died-- always, always a reason to not be there (am not making it up--this is what he told me 'death excuse and all)--it is so much easier to say that you just didn't get the message or you were unavailable than to be responsible for making a 'bad call.'

That's what happens when you're in a business where you're remembered for the decisions you make not the decision you DON'T make.

So, yeah I can totally believe that this is what DB really feels, I can totly believe SMG never got the message from Joss even though it was broadcast around the world. It's makes it easier to say 'I don't wanna do that' without saying 'I don't wanna do that.'

I really respect DB for coming out and saying what he really feels. Kinda refreshing.

I suspect DB like any good employee did his job--and now that it's over--we are hearing what he really thinks.

He's coming to Chicago for flashback weekend--might just go check it out and see what he has to say for himself as himself.
And i guess indirectly Whedonesque knows as well that Angel is finally over, judging from the banner change. *tears*...
Sigh, no more Buffyverse, no more Angelverse... do they make withdrawl patches for this?
Or do we just play the DVDs until they melt...

The sad Angel muppet says it all, I get that photo completely.
I'm still holding out for Ripper to be made some day.
Ah, Ripper. A dark, 6 ep BBC production would be fantastic.
Ouch! Well that hurts. I'm glad that he was honest, although it would've been nice to see him recognize the HUGE fan effort that has been put forth to save this show. But I guess it is wearing to do a show like that day to day and plus it's not as if the show hadn't been on the bubble throughout the years, I'm sure they all felt it was inevitable. Sigh...what am I going to watch after Smallville now??
First of all I have to say that I wont judge David as long as I havent met him.

But one thing I noticed about him is that he changes his mind a lot. And for me this whole Interview sounds like self-protection like "Im so not sad... also if i would start crying... Im happy that it ended... I mean this show was my life and I luved it but yeah Im happy that its over!" Sorry but I dont buy it. I read it the first time and i didnt buy it. I read it over and over again and I still dont buy it. David might sound like an *** in this interview but I dont think he is. I guess the things he actually wanted to say came out wrong.


Allyson: I just have to say it: Im on your side *G*
Wow, I'm putting in my pointless post to notice just how many posts this thread has. David sure can kick him up some controversy!
Our longest thread to date had 108 comments (The 100th episode discussion). But with this post, we've now reached 2000 comments so far for the month of March.
David might sound like an *** in this interview but I dont think he is. I guess the things he actually wanted to say came out wrong.
Allyson: I just have to say it: Im on your side *G*


I don't think he's an *** necessarily. I think he's just speaking his feelings. I think he's being a little ***-ish by showing such little disregard for the fans.

And BTW, I'm not sure what the sides are in this particular thread(DB is an *** vs Taken out of context?) Or do you mean, you agree that fans should stop all efforts at saving the show, because it's pointless? I didn't know that was a particular side, so much as an attitude.
Rogue Slayer: I don't think there are any sides here. I think we're just reacting to Angel's cancellation in different ways.
Out of all the talks of spin-offs, Ripper is the one I most looked forward too. It obviously looks like it is never going to happen but I think it would've been great. I love Tony Head and think he is a wonderful actor and incredibly sexy!!
Rogue Slayer: I don't think there are any sides here. I think we're just reacting to Angel's cancellation in different ways.

I didn't think there were sides either, but I was just responding to Princessofdarkness's comment about being on Allyson's side, so I was confused myself.

I love Tony Head and think he is a wonderful actor and incredibly sexy!!

Oh, I second that wholeheartedly. One of my biggest regrets is that I never got to see Tony being Frankenfurter!
And just for sex appeal, he never looked better than at the end of season 6, when he makes his grand entrace.....yummy
Oh, I loved when he made his grand entrance!! That was one of the best Buffy moments ever! And I would've loved to have seen him in the Rocky Horror Picture show too! I had a picture once, but I lost it (of course after I sent it to every Buffy fan I knew!!).

Hey, my post makes #109! This is officially the longest thread ever!

[ edited by blwessels on 2004-03-16 02:08 ]
Tony Head is a great actor. Have any of you seen him in the BBC series "Manchild"? He's very good in it, but very different from Giles. It's quite a sexy role for him! :-)
I actually saw some of that show on BBCAmerica. I didn't particularly like the show but I did like his character. I only watched a few episodes though so I didn't really give it a chance. Again, I loved Tony in it but really couldn't stand the other characters, especially the lead guy.
Blwessels. Go here

http://www.geocities.com/arco.art@sbcglobal.net/TonyFnF.htm

for pics!


BTW, I suck at html. What are the tags for urls or linking?

[ edited by Rogue Slayer on 2004-03-16 08:51 ]
As far as "Ripper", the question now would be has Tony Head made any comments about burnout or "freedom" from the Buffyverse? What would motivate him to return with any more interest not shown by SMG, Boreanaz or Dushku?

I think the momentum has unfortunately been lost. Just because it would be a great story with a new council forming and lots of slayers to be found and trained, it doesn't mean the marketing powers that be will even blink at it.

I think we have to wait a few years for reality shows to finally die as a fad and real writing and drama will be lorned for by the public. Either that or there are so many cable channels that they need some syndication to fill up airtime, sheesh.(I didn't realize until today that TNT had picked up Angel, my respect to them for that).
In a recent interview Tony seemed disappointed that Ripper hadn't become a reality. I think he would be open to it if the opportunity arose. At the moment though, Joss will be too busy with Serenity, to think about starting another series. Maybe one day. You never know.
Demonica mentioned this and it makes a lot of sense to me if the magazine was only printing parts of the interview:"Reading through this--I really wonder if DB's response about "reunion shows" is actually in reference to the possible "Buffy/Angel" TV movie thingy, and if maybe, intentionally or not, the reporter kinda shifted the questions and answers around. Don't slay me--but the tv movie idea just doesn't really turn my crank either."

The word "reunion" does seem to refer more to a future TV movie than a guest appearance. Maybe there was a little cut-and-pastie going on there with his responses to various questions.

Also, I don't think it's very odd that DB doesn't watch episodes of Angel. I've seen many actors - mostly from movies - who can't stand to watch themselves on screen. They don't like to think that they should have played a certain scene or line dfferently. It's never sounded strange to me to hear that - it seems pretty understandable. I'm a student and I don't keep reading the papers I've written just because they're mine; they were something I had to do so I did it, and I may have loved doing it but it doesn't mean I keep going back to it over and over again; I move on to the next assignment. That's harder for TV stars who stay with the same character over years as opposed to a movie star who is finished in 3 or 4 months; it just seems like even more reason for a TV star not to spend their free time watching their own show. They've got such limited free time as it is.

And yeah, it's hard to feel sorry for an actor who is so well compensated for the hard working hours. But it's true that they don't have much opportunity for breaks, and even teachers don't have to put in 20 hour days at the office, doing the same scenes over and over again. It's business and it's a tough one.

Last thing I wanted to respond to - and there's a ton of interesting ideas to respond to on this thread - is the wish that ME should just tell people to stop with the Angel support. I don't really think they should - again, it's business and the continued public support for a ME show may lead to good things in the future. I think it would be gratifying to have Angel supporters going ahead at full-strength until the last episode airs. It's like a marathon - I think you should keep on clapping and making noise until the very last runner has crossed the finish line.
But it's true that they don't have much opportunity for breaks, and even teachers don't have to put in 20 hour days at the office, doing the same scenes over and over again. It's business and it's a tough one.


I find it hard to defend an actor over a teacher in terms of how crappy or hard their job is. Teachers have to put up with kids (who aren't even theirs) all day, then go home to grade papers and prepare the next day's lessons. They get little to no respect and the same amount of pay. An actor, on the other hand, may work long hours, but their hours are filled with long breaks(all the little technical things that go into a show take time to prepare, and I've read more than one account of the actors just sitting around the set for quite a while while things are being set up--James and Mercedes like to play thumb wars, by one report). And during these breaks, they have plenty of people around them to fetch coffee or food or whatever else they may need. Their pay is VERY good. People love and adore them(nevermind respect). If they decide to stop working, they can spend a few hours at a convention and make thousands of dollars.

If you ask me who has the tougher business, teachers get my vote every time.

I think it would be gratifying to have Angel supporters going ahead at full-strength until the last episode airs.

I couldn't agree more. Efforts to save the show are also showing support and appreciation. Nothing wrong with that.
I love David so much, and I understaind him (like I did with Sarah when she wants to get out of buffy shadows) but I'm really sad, cause what is get another season of Angel, if the star of the show doesn't want to be on it. So, it's like is over.
Well, we all know, the show can't be on air forever, but, I just don't have words to expres my sadness.
I will follow David and Sarah in wathever they do, but I'll never forget Buffy and Angel.
If you ask me who has the tougher business, teachers get my vote every time.


The actors we see on TV and film are perhaps one tenth of one percent of all professional actors. The other 99.9% are waiters, limo drivers, and exotic dancers waiting for their "big break".
I have to agree that I think it must be one of the hardest jobs to be a teacher. I have two teenager daughters who tell me on a daily basis how kids act in school, and it's not so good. Not all kids are like this, but they tell me of kids who are very rude to the teacher, talk back, are very disruptive and some kids get in a lot of fights that the teachers have to break up. My kids are 14 and 17 so maybe in the younger grades it's easier but being a middle school or high school teacher is definitely hard work.

Now, not being a successful television star, I couldn't possibly understand what their lives are like. Yes, I'm sure they feel they have a great job and great pay, but it is long hours, especially on a show with a lot of action and stunts. Also, the more famous you are the less privacy you have when you want to go anywhere. I would hate being a celebrity because I like living a quiet life and would hate to have someone in my face everywhere I go. But obviously there are a lot of people out there who want these kinds of lives and love the publicity too so I would have to argue that the everyday worker, who is working possibly a job they hate and in a lot of cases, minimum wage has it harder than the successful celebrity.

I also liked Irish's sentiments of "clapping and making noise until the very last runner crosses the finish line". That was a sweet way of looking at things. It's nice to show our appreciation by fighting for this show whether it's hopeless or not. It made me feel good to do the little I did and I'm sure all involved in ME and the show's stars also appreciate the fan support.

As for whether or not Tony Head would still want to do "Ripper", well, I think he would. He was always interested in doing Buffy but it was just too much on his family with them being on the other side of the pond and that's why he wanted a smaller role. As I understand, "Ripper" was to be filmed in England so that would've been great for him. I still hope there is a chance for Ripper. I can only imagine how great it would've been with it's much darker theme (at least I'm assuming it would've been darker) and Tony so intense! Yummy, just picturing him beating the crap out of Ethan way back in the Halloween episode, as he casually cleaned his glasses.

RogueSlayer, thanks for the link! I'm going to check that out now!
The actors we see on TV and film are perhaps one tenth of one percent of all professional actors. The other 99.9% are waiters, limo drivers, and exotic dancers waiting for their "big break".

We were talking about the stars of Buffy and Angel. I know most of LA is just one big aspiring actor. Everyone here is SOMETHING/actor. Trust me, I work a boring insurance job and I wouldn't trade it to be your average struggling actor. But the headliners and people who bear the 'crosses'(sorry that one will stick with me for a while) of these shows definitely have it better than a teacher anyday.

And I can't help but think Nicholas Brendon would kill for an opportunity like David has had. I mean, not that Celeste in the City wasn't great, but.....well, it was Big Gay Xander. Or as I call him....Xander.
Boy howdy, what a long thread. How did I miss all the ruckus?

Oh, now I remember. It was intentional....

Interviews are tricky things. I've done a few myself. What people say can come across very differently in black and white print. You're missing all the visual cues -- his facial expressions (irony in any of these statements is lost), his gestures (restrained? exuberant?), body language (tense? relaxed?), tone (happy? resigned? thoughtful? perturbed?), inflection, cadence. Not to mention his general mood, health and state of restedness when he was interviewed. If this is from an Australian rag, we can presume with a fair degree of certainty that the conversation occurred over the phone, or by some other means that precluded awareness of all the above. We are lacking enormous amounts of information, and to judge him based on what appears to be a very truncated version of a likely much longer interview would be injudicious, to say the least. Perhaps he was tired and it was 2 a.m. when the reporter called. There was probably some creative editing.

He didn't come across as suitably grief-stricken for some fans' tastes? This is all to be expected; the full spectrum of emotion has been engaged by the cancellation of 'Angel', so a full spectrum of responses makes perfect sense.

I enjoy DB as a personality and respect him as an actor. The love I feel for the character of Angel can't be adequately expressed in this forum, but suffice to say that I have scarcely gone a hour since the cancellation announcement (the show has also begun invading my sleep) without cursing the WB and bemoaning an 'Angel'less near-future. I have allowed myself to mourn, and having lost actual blood relatives (a sibling, a nephew, and countless uncles and aunts) I have something concrete to compare it to. It's not quite as bad, but it's bad enough. And I'm ready to embrace whatever is to come after this season has concluded.

If DB is feeling relief, then, by god, I'm glad he feels he can confess that. I don't find that off-putting. I find it honest. Callous? Recall again the context we're missing. And also the fact that this is the first time he's probably been asked his feelings for publication, and he may still be formulating that since the show is not yet over. 'Angel's death has been a long and protracted one because the news came before it was finished shooting. That's hard on everyone who makes the show as their living. DB's carried a tremendous responsibility for the past five years -- starring in a spin-off that never got the visibility and praise it richly deserved -- and now that he's seeing the end, I don't blame him for feeling a load has been lifted. Waiting for that other shoe to drop is exhausting. Now he can make plans, and accept movie deals, and possibly even consider doing an 'Angel' TV movie if the timing and the script are right and the stars (figuratively and literally) align.

Everyone grieves in their own way. DB may actually be quite upset about the cancellation, but for him, it's still not over -- not for about three more weeks or so, until the last day of shooting and he hears "Cut -- and that's a show wrap for David Boreanaz". Then it will probably hit him, and he may come out with something in another publication that's a little more introspective and considered, when he's had time to sort out the past five years and see the show from a bit of a remove. I think keeping in mind the actors are all just people like you and me -- who don't have a rule book for how to respond to cataclysmic change in their life, incidentally -- might be helpful.

I think people should keep fighting if they want to, because that's one way to show love for the show. But channeling anger at DB, or any other AtS star, isn't productive or loving. It's not what the core value of this show is about.

If the show really matters to you, then it's left some kind of indelible mark inside. It's helped you, or otherwise changed you somehow -- hopefully in a positive, life-affirming way. Maybe we can let part of that change be how we, the fans, move forward from its ending and face the future. If we all come out of this experience of loving something so fiercely and identifying with the beautiful complexity of its vision, we're all richer. It's a gift JW and ME didn't have to give us. But they did. I'm grateful.

I appreciate other perspectives. However, as I see it, DB's been carrying Angel's burden for a long time, living with the character for eight long years. Suffering the darkness necessary to stay in that headspace every moment the cameras are rolling. If he can see the light at the end of the tunnel after all that time, who am I to demand he remain happy to stay in the dark?

(I would just note that in an interview from a year or so ago, DB mentioned that he and Jaime had begun watching full episodes of 'Angel' for the first time together, and he said that seeing them, he was proud of the work he'd done. I recall this because it was the first time I'd seen him enlarge upon his earlier statements regarding never seeing himself. I think as he's become more accomplished, he's become able to critically evaluate himself as an actor. And he should be proud. He's helped create a genre character who will live in people's hearts long after he's passed on.)
sometimes i shoulnt say words...

more beer now
just in case i offended anyone, i wasn't meaning to "defend" actors over teachers - i'm a part-time teacher myself and it can be extraordinarly difficult at times, but what I meant is that many teachers aren't at school for 20 hours a day (although there are always exceptions) - they can grade papers or work on lesson plans at home in the evenings and be near family; i just wanted to express the same view as some of the other posters have pointed out that an actor's life on a series like this really is a huge time committment.
I know a lot of working actors that aren't famous. They make about the same money as I do (which isn't shabby, but I'm not rich), doing work as extras and such. It blows that they don't have health insurance. (Or maybe the Guild offers it, I've never asked).

As for complaining, I know nurses and teachers bitch about their jobs, too. They aren't making the kind of money Sarah or David are making, though, and I think therein lies the difference. Big, huge difference.

The hours do, absolutely, BLOW, though. And the trade-off is the loss of anonymity, which i think doesn't fully hit you until it happens. Can't much just go to the coffee bean for a latte anymore, or take your kid to the park.

I'm not quite sure if that'd be worth it to me, but I would think if one wants to be a well-known actor, it's just a suck-ass part of rare and obscenely well-paid job.
Personally, I would not want the life of a celebrity. I wouldn't be able to stand being constantly under the spotlight and all the gossip.

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