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April 22 2014

(SPOILER) Discuss this week's episode of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.. The episode is "The Only Light in the Darkness," written by Monica Owusu-Breen. Amy Acker guest stars as the cellist from Portland.

I see you Sunfire, dropping 51 minutes early! You naughty Mod, you.
And we're all waiting for it !
Does it start at 9 PM or 8 PM today?
Hey, everyone. Ready to watch actively, and comment silently.
just a little over 3 hours to go.
And Here. We. Go.
Annnd preempted for baseball! If you need me I'll be in my screaming room.
Aww. So sorry, Grack21.
Shirtless traitor Ward! Evil Fanservice! Fun!
Hey gang!

What did the band on his wrist say? Missed it.
Body count begins. :/
hann23- It said "Marcus Daniels"
Annnd preempted for baseball! If you need me I'll be in my screaming room.
Grack21

B_b DAMMIT! Sportsball!
And I'm suddenly not liking Koenig all that much.
They're running it at 1am. By which time I imagine it will be available..er...on other places on the internet.
Where exactly are you, Grack? Cause I'm not preempted.
Thx!

Orientation Dollhouse style.
Put 'em on the ol' Voight-Comp. eh?
Oh nos on the preemptions. Stupid sports.
hann23-Yeah. Creepy. I have no idea why he's being such a stickler for protocol when, as Coulson said, there is no SHIELD anymore.
Rochester NY.
Hoping the tornado here won't knock out our cable just yet.
At least we live in the digital age. If this had happened back in the Buffy days...good god.
Grack21-That would explain it. Baseball is almost a sacrament in NY, thanks to the Yankees and Mets.
May in the Hotseat.
"Ready to watch actively, and comment silently."
Nebula1400

You better make some noise. You make these a hoot!
Can we please have an episode that's entirely everyone's chair questions and answers? This is great.
That really was the best answer.
You wouldn't like me when I get talky, roddikinathome!
Oh its the Yankees vs the Red Sox. I expect it's on every channel. :P
Koenig is a dead man.
Aaaand uncomfortable revelations for Ward are go! Hah hah, I was hoping for this outcome!
Grack21-Ooooh, I get it. Yeah, totally preempted.
Yeah, but right now, he's Agent Lanyard.
The Orienatation might be my fav scene(s) in the series so far.
Superpowered stalker is how Coulson met Audrey? That's...almost sweet.
Wow. Big C. is also PISSED.
Shady stuff happening at the Fridge? Why am I not surprised?
I fear for Agent Lanyard. Which is interesting because I've never really trusted him. He's just too adorable. I guess I've flipped.
So HYDRA released a whole bunch of super-villains.
Ehh, I'm iffy on Koenig. Sticking to protocol in a situation like this? Not exactly productive or efficient.
"Superpowered stalker is how Coulson met Audrey? That's...almost sweet."
blackflamerose

Yeah, but creeeeeEEEEEeeepy.
Nebula-Yeah. And if what Daniels is saying is true, they may have experimented on them, too.
Hack the NSA? LOL! Yes!
Yes Skye please hack the NSA.
Er, Ward? You DO realize the NSA hack could reveal your mole status?
Skye is gonna see Ward!! Or "almost" see him.
Simmons still sucks at the lying.
Coulson is breaking my heart right now.
And Amy and Clark already have me crying.
Where is May walking off to in the middle of snowy nowhere?
Melinda's leaving and Ward has some regrets. Well...some.
No! I don't want Koenig to die! Maybe he'll just get maimed a little.

[ edited by Nebula1400 on 2014-04-23 01:33 ]
"Ward? You DO realize the NSA hack could reveal your mole status?"
blackflamerose

I see Ward dropping a few bodies first.
She probably has an idea of where to go. I hope.
Noooo! I really don't want to see Patton Oswalt die.
Oh I hope Patton Oswalt channels his Constable Bob.
roddikinathome- That comment was aimed at Ward backing up Skye concerning the NSA hack. I guess he might not have thought it all the way through.
Ward is going to pay for his deception. I think May may be on to him.
Nebula1400-I never got that idea. She just seemed bitter about her own circumstances.
"No! I don't want Koenig to die! Maybe he'll just get mamed a little."
Nebula1400

I called knife twist last week, and I'm sticking with that.
I think May is suspicious.
Shit! The dialogue just got beeped out for some reason.
Current bets: Koenig is toast. May will come back and stop Ward. Skye will cry (okay, that was in the preview). Amy Acker isn't going to make it but neither is Adrian Pasdar. ... And I find I'm now rooting for Agent Triplett. No bets there.

[Edited after the show to say: well, I really only got 1, but Adrian Pasdar did go poof, so 1.5?]

[ edited by javelina on 2014-04-23 02:43 ]
Hmm. Maybe Koenig IS HYDRA. My pet theory is back!
Doctored feeds and Koenig nowhere in sight, knowing Ward is a bit technologically challenged? Maybe he IS HYDRA.
"Maybe Koenig IS HYDRA. My pet theory is back!"
Sunfire

Tension is killing meeeee.
Oh no Agent Koenig. :(
This is a roller coaster of "is Agent Oswalt dead?!"
Ooof, bloody garrote. Not a nice way to go>
What a horrible way to kill someone! (Not that there's a good way.)
Uh, oh. Blackout might actually BE unstoppable.
Or they just killed him. That works too.
Ward is a bastard. I see no hint of remorse in him.
Sye is also breaking my heart.
Pretty poofable baddie.
This is the most tense I've been all year.
Hmm, just some idle speculation, but the next ep is called "Nothing Personal". Fallout from the reveal of HYDRA Ward?
Thing is I think Ward does really like Skye. Sigh...
Remember your training Sky.
hann23-I thnk so, too. And some regrets are coming to the surface.
Huh. Undercover Skye?
Wow - she has become Mata Hari in a short timespan!
Uh, oh, Phil. You don't know she's gone.
Eeep. Skye's in a pickle.
I say again; AAAAAAAHHHhhhhhh!
So the question is - is May on the Bus?
Skye's playing Ward, who's playing her. Spy vs. Spy, the love edition? ::uncomfortable laugh::
javelina- I don't think so. She'd have popped up by now if so.
"Wow - she has become Mata Hari in a short timespan!"
baxter

Survival mode, dood.
Question answered
That end tag was fabulous.
Maria Hill! There we go!
Aaaagh! Need help! My DVR switched to Supernatural when Mama May handed Melinda the envelope. What happened?
It's a way to contact Maria Hill.
roddinkinathorme - not the mode at issue, just the capacity/expertise at entering it and as good as someone for whom it is a career. Suspension of disbelief back on board.
And I love Mama-May!
Good episode although I was more into the Skye/Ward plot then the story with Coulson and Audrey.

[ edited by Buffyfantic on 2014-04-23 02:07 ]
I feel like I've seen Mama May before...
I always liked Maria, too. Cobie smolders!
"So the question is - is May on the Bus?"
javelina

And that be a nooooo.
\And my teeth itch.
So May *walked* back from the Canadian wilderness? With that bag over her shoulders the whole way? Man... that is hardcore. That was her mother, I assume... also a government agent, and knows Maria Hill. Who's working for Tony Stark now, right?

Looks like Skye is better at this secret agent thing than Ward was expecting.

"What's in the box?" "Simmons." Awwwww.

I'm gonna predict that Ward dies in the season finale, and Triplett replaces him as a regular next season.

I noticed something when they replayed the scene where Ward shoots the SHIELD agents and Hand on the plane. He didn't go for a head shot with her, like he did the other two agents. Looks like he shot her in the shoulder, actually. I wonder if she's alive and being held prisoner by Garrett?
Thank you @Nebula1400
Suspension of disbelief in a show that has superheroes and super villains, baxter? Maybe Skye is an alien super soldier, and her survival skills, plus SHIELD training are all converging to reveal themselves all over Ward.

[ edited by Nebula1400 on 2014-04-23 02:12 ]
You're welcome, hann23.
AdrewCrossett-Sorry to burst your bubble, but she is dead. Ward double-tapped her, though we didn't see it.
"roddinkinathorme - not the mode at issue, just the capacity/expertise at entering it and as good as someone for whom it is a career."

baxter

Hence the "Remember your training Skye" comment. ;) She's all grown up.
I really enjoyed this episode. I'm finally 100% invested and want to know what happens next.

I really do hope Koenig and Hand are okay. They're prickly but fun.

I think perhaps a flashback maybe of Audrey and Coulson would have helped their plot.

[ edited by hann23 on 2014-04-23 02:15 ]
I wonder if she's alive and being held prisoner by Garrett?

As much as I wish it could be, when I rewatched I noticed he shot her two more times after she fell. I was too stunned to really pick up on it the first time, but yeah, she's gone.
Maybe Hand will be Raina's first success with GH325
"I really do hope Koenig and Hand are okay. They're prickly but fun."
hann23

Sorry mang, they're dead. And I'll miss them, too.
blackflamerose - I'm in the living Hand camp. Why can't the two shots have been somewhere debilitating rather than fatal? Why not go for the head shot to begin with, as with the guards, if they didn't want to keep her alive? I think Hydra kept Hand. She's the highest ranking member of SHIELD left, to their knowledge, & that makes her valuable, even with SHIELD in its present state of disarray.
Hand could be revived from death, as Coulson was, but as an agent of HYDRA, as happened to another character in CATWS (which I'm seeing again tomorrow, with my son who hasn't seen it, yet).
That final scene with Audrey - I would rather have had her wake up and get furious at Coulson. I understand why they didn't go there, b/c there's a lot going on, but it would have been more satisfying.

As for Skye and Ward, aaagghhh.

Loved the May/Mom coda.
Never have I wanted Skye to live so much, and for Ward to die even more much.
I'm out kids, I'll step back in in th' morning.

"aaagghhh."

javelina

You too, huh?
I really enjoyed this episode. I'm finally 100% invested and want to know what happens next.

Same here.

Sweet Coulson-Audrey scene. Smart Skye. Poor Koenig. Great May and Mom scene.
So, do you think Skye left a message about Ward on that "picture window?"
I was impressed with Chloe Bennett's acting when she realizes what Ward is. Good job. And really liked how Skye pulled herself together too.
And Damn, Koenig should have trusted his instincts but there was a reason why Fury put him there, away from all the action. Poor guy.
And I'm hoping that May got quite a few rides because that is weeks of walking otherwise. What do you suppose was her mother's job? And where? In Canada? the U.S.? Elsewhere?
It looked like a Pennsylvania license plate, anyway.
Did anyone catch the name of the actress who plays Mama May?

I keep seeing Bill Paxton credited as a cast member in this episode but he was only in the flashbacks, wasn't he?
@Andrew - Yeah, he was only in flashbacks. I kinda missed him.
Interesting - thought the Skye /Ward / Koenig stuff was riveting , had a real tension to it. So much so that I found myself frustrated whenever they cut away for the Amy Acker part of the show. I found that story, while well intended, to be more filler than anything.

Also:

Chair of Truth was nicely done!
Poor Fitz - He was given his opening
I like MayMom
Didn't note the director - but very "movie" feel tonight
Any Ward-is-a-Triple-Agent holdouts left?

Three episodes left - hopefully they have a couple more surprises left in the bag o' tricks
I no longer think the "Ward as triple agent" scenario is plausible. He's killed too many loyal SHIELD agents now.

Besides, that would be taking the twist-a-roonie thing a little bit too far. It would be like a Scooby-Doo episode... "It's not really Ward at all! It's old Mr. Johnson, the amusement park caretaker, wearing a Ward mask!"
Absolutely Ward is Hydra, although I'm thinking there still might be time for Ward to do the clichéd redemption act to save Skye in the finale. I don't believe Garrett has as much control over him as he believes. I'd be disappointed if they went that route, but I think it's possible.

I also really really hope that Hand and Koenig stay dead. Should either of them come back it cheapens the pure evil of the acts (IMO) One of the reasons I stopped reading comics back in the day was I became aware of Stan Lee's edict on the "illusion of change" Keep the readers on their toes with cliffhangers and deaths and reveals ... but always return to status quo eventually. I've begun reading comics again and while I enjoy them, I'm not sure they've ever quite figured out a work around for that issue - I'd hate for it to bleed into the series
How about Agent Triplett's grandfather as a Howling Commando?
May's mother was played by Tsai Chin, who played Ming-Na Wen's aunt in The Joy Luck Club.
I THOUGHT I saw her in the Joy Luck Club! Thank you, Yurchel!
TallMichaelJ, while I somewhat agree, I'd love to see a series of Koenig LMDs.
Skye certainly seemed to be thinking clearly when going through the contents of the medicine closet after figuring out Ward had killed Koenig, so she clearly had some plans for how to protect herself. The thing is, we do know that despite himself, Ward does have real feelings for her. He told Loerlei, and he couldn't lie to her about that. And twice after Skye was shot and Ward made comments about whom he blamed,first at the end of TRACKS, and the second time at the beginning of TAHITI, when May tells him not to blame himself, he says it's not HIMSELF he blames. In both cases, he glares at Coulson, and we're clearly meant to think that he blames Coulson for Skye getting shot. But now we know it was Garrett he held responsible for Skye getting shot. They've already had an argument about it - it wasn't supposed to happen after he'd already developed feelings for her. I predict that Ward is going to be finding himself in some seriously conflicted situation between his loyalty to Garrett and the feelings that he hasn't been able to completely shut out for Skye. Maybe she'll even get to be the one to shoot him, and then have him die in his arms (that would be one from the 1950s playbook of television tropes).
I'm wondering when or if they'll pull the LMD card.

I was thinking how cool it would be to have Koenig be the unkillable SHIELD agent... the mild-mannered guy who just keeps coming back no matter how many times they try to kill him. It would be a cool running gag and Patton Oswalt would be the perfect guy for it.
The director was Vincent Misiano, who has been around the block. I love it that he directed an episode of The Lone Gunmen, a show for which I still have a soft spot.
Every week now I'm excited to watch SHIELD to find out what happens next. It's stressful when it ends and I have to wait a whole week again. SO glad there are no more breaks in the schedule. It's great to see so much conversation on here too! I love the set up that Skye knows about Ward and he doesn't know she knows. I look forward to seeing how that plays out.

As a side note my love keeps cracking jokes about how OBVIOUSLY ward is evil "he threw away a man's sandwich".
I don't get Hydra. So they're like a baddie organisation who release criminals and do bad things, but they can easily recruit Shield agents. Makes no sense.
I think most of the Hydra agents were recruited before they joined SHIELD, and were then brought in by senior double-agents like Sitwell and Garrett.
Simply recruit people who are ideologically similar to those in HYDRA. I'm sure we have plenty of people in our CIA, FBI, and NSA whose ideology is pretty much in league with Nazi ideology. It hasn't been too difficult to get people to build a massive surveillance system that pries into all of our lives, or cops to brutalize protesters, or to buy off politicians.

It's easy to recruit people who are ignorant to history, or who have been raised to believe things that go against their own best interest.
I love that Skye's "real" name was Mary Sue Poots.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Poots

Of course! ;)

[ edited by Barry Woodward on 2014-04-23 05:00 ]
Ok, so clearly Skye left a message in the bathroom. I wonder what else she did with the chemicals; it didn't look like she was carrying any weapons with her, though, since she wasn't carrying a bag or anything else. The problem is that, if Skye and Ward were taken (in theory), Skye's note could be scrawled by HYDRA. I dunno if she would have left a clue that it was actually written by her.

I doubt we've seen the last of Amy Acker. RIP Patton Oswald, though.
RoguePirateBunny, I'm with you on your Skye theory. They focused too long on the chemicals and picture for her not to leave a note.

I was much more interested in the May/Coulson, Fitz/Simmons/Triplett, and Skye/Ward storyline compared to the Coulson/Audrey one. I really want Coulson to forgive May, and every episode I like May's character more and more if that is even possible. I've always loved the Fitz/Simmons dynamic. Agent Triplett has earned my trust, and I would love to see him on the team. And I want Skye to kick Ward's ass or aid in his downfall. Can't wait for the next week's ep with Maria Hill!
Stage lights rejiggered to emit gamma rays? Really? That's about all I can say about this episode.
A spectacular episode, though I agree with previous comments the half of the episode featuring the Cellist/Audrey Nathan was a bit of a disappointment due to how quickly things were resolved...though I think that Marcus Daniels isn't gone. The fact he was being experimented on at The Fridge makes me think they have do some hand-waiving and make him a sentient cloud of darkforce energy that will eventually re-coalesce.

What really stood out for me was the method by which Ward defeated Fury's super duper lie detector: old-school pain inducement via what seemed like a bent paperclip or bobby pin shoved into the nail bed of one of his fingers! All that whizz-bang tech and Ward fools it with one of the oldest tricks in the book :D
b!x how is that any different from all the other things they do in the show/movies/comics?
I'm so glad this show turned out to be great. Even if it means losing beloved characters played by Patton Oswalt.
Ward should be hanged with that lanyard.
@Beth: Science fiction handwaving is one thing, and usually there's at least a pretense to it being either (a) possible or (b) so weird it's got its own rules. This was neither and simply made no sense under either form of handwaving.
I'm not even sure what gamma rays are, so I buy it.
Great episode. That completely made up for the mediocre ep last week.
It is looking to me like MAOS is going to be one of those shows like Buffy was for me that really hit their stride beginning with the last few episodes of the first season. I have been enjoying the show right along, but this episode was the one that made me feel like it is really getting to its potential for greatness! Yay!
The whole Amy Acker plot line was terrible. Such a waste of her talents. And when they were using those lights I just kept picturing a Ghostbusters fan film.

I'm not sure what they are doing with Ward, but they may as well have him grow out his moustache so he at least has something to twirl.
b!X - Sooo.... it's ok for gamma rays to turn someone randomly into a giant green rage monster but a genius can't produce them when required to save the day. Got it. ;)

Kaan - While I agree the Audrey plot was a bit.. disappointing I understand that there was so much going on in the episode they couldn't base the whole episode around it so I'm ok with it particularly given I'm sure that's not going to be the end of her story, just the introduction!
Mornin'

I think it's a fair point about the gamma radiation from the lights being very um, underdeveloped in the story. I did assume that in the Marvel Universe it was an accepted fact that stage lights could be modified rather quickly to emit super light. I didn't dwell too long because the Skye plot was so good. I guess the fiction worked for me.
I found it hard to invest in the sadness of Audrey and Phil, when I've only ever seen the actors together in Much Ado, and that wasn't a romance ('cause ick.) I'm much more invested in Coulson and May.

And gamma rays - does that mean he'll be Blackout Hulk now?
Fitz explained that a. Banner basically invented the technology, and b. Fitz used something from the Jet engines to rig the lights..I'm not sure how much MORE explanation a person would want in a 42 min episode with some other major stuff going on.

[ edited by Beth on 2014-04-23 13:07 ]
I'd love to see a series of Koenig LMDs.

- Paperspock


That would be awesome. It'd remind me of Weyoun from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
Koenig being an LMD in various locations would be like the Doctor in Star Trek: Voyager, who also happens to be the back-up Doctor on all starships.
I agree with Beth, I distinctly remember Fitz saying Bruce Banner invented the technology to create the gamma rays, so with that saying and a little hand-waving, I bought it and have no issue with it.
I haven't seen the episode yet but the gamma rays rang a bell.

From Newsarama:

Special features in the DVD for the film Iron Man 2 reveal that the machine Bruce uses to douse himself with focused gamma rays was constructed by Stark Industries, the CEO and chief technologist of which is Tony Stark aka Iron Man.


It's all connected.
I'm on board the Koenig LMD bandwagon. Yes! That idea is perfect!

They shouldn't even explain it the first time he comes back. Just have everyone keep asking him how him came back to life, but all he'll say is that it's classified. Then right before he decides to tell them, he's killed again.

Save the reveal for the third appearance.
They shouldn't even explain it the first time he comes back. Just have everyone keep asking him how him came back to life, but all he'll say is that it's classified. Then right before he decides to tell them, he's killed again.


"Oh My God! They killed Koenig! You bastards!"
Fun fact: In the original comics, Eric Koenig was a Nazi commando in WW2 who was persuaded to defect by Nick Fury. He became a founder of S.H.I.E.L.D. and a leader of the Howling Commandos.

Of all the characters on AoS who have been given from-the-comics names, Koenig is probably the one least like the original.

In the original comics, Koenig died in battle with Hydra alongside fellow Howling Commando Gabe Jones... who might very well have been Triplett's grandfather.
Maybe next week we'll learn Agent Koenig had a chest tattoo.
Watched it on my ABC app. I liked this episode better than most of the others. It did a good job building suspense. One quibble/question, if Koenig was using the badge thingies to keep track of everybody, why would have one on himself?

More important quibble, when Coulson is wrestling with whether or not to tell Audrey he's alive, why doesn't he once consider the most obvious reason not to do so: It's freakin' highly classified! And unintended disclosure could lead to all kinds of problems with the Avengers team members, etc.

[ edited by Squishy on 2014-04-23 19:11 ]
Squishy, because he didn't want people to know he was using them to track people, by having one himself it made it less obvious there was an "un-advertised" function. We also don't know that there's not some other function they're used for that would mean he'd need one.

As for the highly classified, all S.H.I.E.L.D.'s files have been dumped on the internet, I don't think much of anything's classified any more!

[ edited by Beth on 2014-04-23 19:13 ]
I guess I buy the first point. Not entirely sure about the second point. If ALL the files were dumped on the internet, wouldn't everybody already know all about TAHITI, etc.? And wouldn't everybody already know that Coulson's alive? And Fury too for that matter? Presumably, SHIELD still has some secrets that weren't uploaded right?
There might not be records of TAHITI, since that project's secrets have secrets. But there are probably personnel files for all active agents, and so on. Coulson was supervising a team having field adventures, after all.
So theoretically, Audrey could find out Phil's still alive just by googling him? And I guess this means all the Avengers now know he's alive too? It just seems kinda surprising, but I guess it's possible. If so, I wonder if Phil will appear in Avengers 2, and if he does, how they'll deal with this issue.

[ edited by Squishy on 2014-04-23 20:08 ]
Skye erased all digital records of Coulson and the gang. They no longer exist on the interwebs.

[ edited by Barry Woodward on 2014-04-23 20:40 ]
Oh yeah, I forgot all about that! Thanks, Barry. It didn't make much sense to me at the time, but I see now there may well have been an important purpose (perhaps more narrative than strategic) behind erasing all that stuff.
On an unrelated point, I'll go ahead and speculate that we'll learn Skye's superpower in the season finale...

[ edited by Squishy on 2014-04-23 21:05 ]
Oh yeah, I forgot about Skye's data vanishing act. Hmm. That does complicate things.
I didn't get the whole lie detector scene with Ward - the machine was giving Koenig clear signs, when asking the Hydra questions, that something is wrong. Just because he was telling the "truth" in the next question, as to why he is there, that doesn't erase his previous answers. Why did Koenig just suddenly accept him to be okay? I must have missed something, can you guys explain?

Other than that, I loved this episode, there was a lot of suspense and I found myself, for the first time, really, really rooting for Skye. She is a smartie.
I'm sad Ward is so evil though :(
I do like that Hydra are not one size fits all villains.

Alexander Pierce actually thinks he's the good guy.
"Nick, our enemies are your enemies.
I can safeguard the lives of seven billion people.
by sacrificing twenty million."

John Garrett is a narcissistic survivor, with no moral compass.
"I saw which way the wind was shifting . . . ,
and I adjusted my sail."

Grant Ward is doing it because of his
personal connection to Garrett.
"I owe Garrett everything."

And most of the nameless faceless followers
are just that, nameless faceless followers.

Toady: "HAIL HYDRA!"
Garrett: "Put your arms down. You look like a West Texas cheerleader."

There are a lot of different, crooked paths to evil.
Hydra seems to have a lot of them covered.

(Thanks @javelina, I couldn't remember and couldn't find the clip to verify, now I recline corrected.)

[ edited by RobynH on 2014-04-24 07:03 ]
Illy, Koenig was asking "Why are you here" Ward said, "It's my duty" Partial truth, lie detector reading shows yellow. K: "Are you associated with Hydra" W: "Yes, everyone is because they infiltrated the highest shield levels" Technically not a lie, machine shows no color. K: "Are you Hydra" W: "I'm loyal to Coulson and my team" The lie detector turned red, so Koeing asked, "Do you have another agenda?" W: "Skye" passed that question.

I believe the yellow indicates an unclear answer and red indicates a lie, which is why Koeing asks the follow-up questions. Ward was really smart with the way he worded the answers, so they weren't technically lies. I'm with you though, having the machine indicate a lie after Ward said, "I'm loyal to my team and Coulson" should've been a huge red flag. I'm assuming Koeing is a romantic, and is taking it as 'shield collapsed, and he is here because he loves Skye.'

On ABC.com they have this specific clip called, "Grant Ward Faces the Ultimate Lie Detector" if you want to re-watch the scene.

[ edited by hpgwbtvs on 2014-04-23 23:33 ]
I love this story line. I've always wanted to see a TV show turn one of the good guys evil and actually stick to their guns. Not some stupid, "He was under a spell", "He was mind controlled", "He swapped bodies with someone", "He was tricked", "He was just fooling the enemy" or fifty other million cop outs TV shows usually give us. I love that Ward is truly a villain and has been pulling the wool over the eyes of his team and the TV viewing audience as well. This is bold story telling.

Hopefully, all the bashing this show got early on from bandwagon haters has subsided. Recent episodes have made this show as much of a must see show for me now as Arrow
I think "The Only Light in the Darkness" is my favorite episode. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is now the show that keeps on giving.

All the relationships of the group are part of the discussion, rotating amongst them all. And at one point I felt a sense of horror during Skye's reaction to Grant's 'real me'. It also played as a metaphor for opening up to another human being. Really relatable stuff.

The teaser in the beginning was really cool too, the way they handled that scene. I loved the villain and his ability. But the mid-credits scene hinted at a character I don't really care for. So there's that. But overall an awesome episode.
@RobynH - "You look like a WEST TEXAS cheerleader!"

My favorite line of the year, I think. Certainly way up there.
Continuing my thought from last night--I bet that Skye used the chemicals from the bathroom to destroy the hard drive. It looks like she has it, and she might be able to fool Ward/HYDRA for a little while (since only Reina appears to be computer-savvy).

So: she left a note, destroyed the hard drive. Or that's my theory, anyway.
I like that theory, RoguePirateBunny.
Anyone notice that Koenig had a Walther PPK pistol--you know, the one James Bond uses? Interestingly enough, he de-cocks the pistol in the less safe manner (pointing away, thumbing the hammer, and pulling the trigger) rather than simply using the safety. It's a small and underpowered gun, compared to what firepower everyone else at SHIELD has been seen using.
Loved this episode.
One thing that struck me really funny was Ward's confessional speech. The first time he gave Skye the line about him & his brother (early in the show), I was cringing at the awkward hokeyness of it. SO much better hearing that stuff from Evil Ward.

And I love the Patton Oswalt, LMD idea. I don't want that character to be gone.
I thought the chair scene with Ward and Koenig was one of the best things I've seen on the show to date. Gripping and tense.
I wish Koenig had shot Ward dead in the chair. Then removed the lanyard from around his neck, secured it in a locker, walked to the door and stuck his head out into the hall and yelled, "Next!"...

That would have been a jaw-dropping, "OMG, did they really just do that?" type moment for me.

[ edited by Penthos on 2014-04-24 20:53 ]
The juxtaposition of the two scenes (the cellist and Skye) also left me much more interested in Skye -- we all kind of new what would happen with Blackout, and we didn't know what would happen to Skye. I guess the only plus was using the eerie cello music for Skye on the run.

It's interesting how Ward always discouraged Skye from going in over her head, alone into danger -- and now that Danger is him as they head to South America.
I found it hard to accept Evil Ward last week, but I was sold this week where it mattered: in the scenes with Skye. He seems genuine when he says "I'm a bad man" to Skye, and his obsession for Skye does not contradict his evil agenda. Well done.
I was really shocked to find that for once, the Amy Acker part of a show was not my favorite part of that show! I hope she absorbed some of that power blast thingy Coulson and Triplett crossed the streams and put the ghost in the trap so she has a reason to pop back up again next season.

Btw, I was all ready to have an entire episode dedicated to Sky and Ward playing cat and mouse next week in that bunker. Could've done some Buffy-esque genre spin on horror tropes. "The call is coming from inside the bunker!"
I'm enjoying this show more and more, glad I stuck with it! Am I the only one who felt sorry for Ward when he confessed that his brother made him beat up his younger brother. I've always have a soft spot for the abused, emotionally manipulated characters in the Whedonverse (e.g. Faith, Connor). I hope they can give him a good redemption story but I don't think I will like it if they make his love for Skye the magical solution to solve all problems. But if they can do it right it could give for some nice complex team dynamics next year :)
So what happens with the lanyards? Did Skye leave the tablet where the team could find it and so they could track where her and Ward were going? Do the lanyards track past the secret base that everyone knows about now? Did May leave her lanyard or will they be able to track her with it? I want the lanyards to be more than just the one ep tool.
I doubt May would stand there and go "hm, this lanyard's pretty spiffy looking. I'll keep that around on my journey through the wintery wilderness because there's obviously no tracker in it and I need to have as many useless things with me as possible. *starts whistling*"
Redemptive thought: Ward's overriding loyalty has always been very personally to Garrett. If Garrett is killed... what then? Does that put him on a new path? It certainly doesn't erase what he's done - and he's done a lot, but is the character still redeemable at this point? I dunno.

Random thought: After seeing Amy, I wish Jed and Maurissa would reach into the Spartacus cast. Dustin Clare or John Hannah on the show would be freaking awesome.
@BringItOn5x5 only if they keep swearing like there's not tomorrow :D

I miss the Spartacus language so much.
It'd definitely liven up the bus a little if Agent Gannicus got drunk after killing a few dozen Hydra flunkies (while blindfolded) and sang another round of "My Cock Rages On". Simmons' scandalized reaction alone...

I miss that show. And I'm seriously bummed that DeKnight's Incursion project seems to be going nowhere fast. It sounded like a great concept.
I don't want Ward to get a redemption story. I'm sick and tired of redemption stories in TV. He's evil and that's the end of it. I will lose a LOT of respect for this show if they pull the usual, "Oh he's not really so bad, let's forgive him" routine. I'm sick of people going bad then going good again on TV. Angel did it. Once Upon a Time did it. Once Upon a Time in Wonderland did it. Breaking Bad did it. Homeland did it. Lost did it. Supernatural has done it. EVERY show does it. Let's for once have someone go bad and STAY bad. I don't want any excuses or cop outs with Ward. He's betrayed the team. He's KILLED people. There is NO going back from that.

[ edited by Angel&Faith on 2014-04-26 18:26 ]
I wouldn't mind Ward being redeemed. I would mind him being forgiven and let back on the team. I can't see that happening believably given his murdery past. If he's redeemed, I want him dying or allowing himself to be captured to save the team.

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