Discuss Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 2x05 "A Hen in the Wolf House". - Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Didn't think I was going to make it here tonight, but I'm still the first in the room!

Nebula1400 | October 21, 16:40 CET

Trying to get kid asleep. Be right back.

hann23 | October 21, 16:49 CET

So... howdy!

roddikinathome | October 21, 16:52 CET

Evening, all. Looking forward to at least two double-crosses tonight!

chrisobrien | October 21, 16:54 CET

So excited!

Valantha | October 21, 16:57 CET

@chris
So, is that the same as a quadruple cross?

[ edited by Penthos on 2014-10-22 01:58 ]

Penthos | October 21, 16:58 CET

Will Raina buy some Wart-be-Gone? Will Mr Dad with BLOOD ON HIS HANDS get some Bactine? Will Phil get some damn chalk? We find out together tonite on ALL MY WHEDONS...

roddikinathome | October 21, 16:58 CET

And we're on!

roddikinathome | October 21, 17:00 CET

HA! @roddikinathome

My guy's in snoozeville! Woot! And I'm back to fretting for Simmons.

hann23 | October 21, 17:00 CET

Talk about being blue in the face!

Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:02 CET

Oooo, Banquette. Now I'm hungry! Oooo big body count.

roddikinathome | October 21, 17:02 CET

It's probably covering the whole desk under all that paperwork.

Sunfire | October 21, 17:03 CET

It's like bad popsicle tongue. Ick.

hann23 | October 21, 17:03 CET

Came in midway through toast- did I miss anything vital?

javelina | October 21, 17:04 CET

Boot. Goes. Slam.

roddikinathome | October 21, 17:04 CET

Skye's going to do the Snoopy dance...

Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:04 CET

Poor Flowers. I want to beat up everyone around her!

Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:07 CET

So that's why he always has blood on his hands. Huh.

roddikinathome | October 21, 17:07 CET

@ roddikinathome ALL MY WHEDONS yes!

javelina | October 21, 17:08 CET

Don't anger the good Doctor...

roddikinathome | October 21, 17:09 CET

Nebula, you're going all soft on Raina! (I'm right there with you.)

javelina | October 21, 17:09 CET

Is he literally putting somebody back together for his family?

Snack side bar - I have pizza combos

hann23 | October 21, 17:10 CET

"Pretty neat, huh?"

Valantha | October 21, 17:11 CET

Raina is either going to become an ally of the team, or die. Should we start a pool and see who wins?

Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:12 CET

What's Skye's real name??

Squishy | October 21, 17:12 CET

"ALL MY WHEDONS yes!"
javelina

*Bows* Feel free to steal the hell out of that. Just remember wer ya got it. :)

roddikinathome | October 21, 17:13 CET

I called a Raina / SHIELD alliance last ep!

Squishy | October 21, 17:13 CET

I don't think I can think of snacks without barfing tonight. I had a tiny piece of chocolate cake, which I'm not supposed to have, and my head hurts!

Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:15 CET

"Snack side bar - I have pizza combos"
hann23

Oooo, Gimmie!

roddikinathome | October 21, 17:15 CET

Let's guess at Skye's real name. I say it's Bertha.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:16 CET

"I had a tiny piece of chocolate cake, which I'm not supposed to have, and my head hurts!"
Nebula1400

O_o Poor Nebs.

roddikinathome | October 21, 17:17 CET

Kinda liking this ep!

Squishy | October 21, 17:17 CET

I think Skye's real name is that of some character from the marvel comics universe.

Squishy | October 21, 17:18 CET

I have a Magic Hat beer. *Smug*

Also Carr's Ginger Cream cookies. Any takers?

javelina | October 21, 17:18 CET

I'm still waiting for Ninja Fitz...

NYPinTA | October 21, 17:18 CET

Skye's not writing. She a bi-planetary being.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:18 CET

That stuff is almost like psychic paper...

NYPinTA | October 21, 17:19 CET

It's probably covering the whole desk under all that paperwork.
Sunfire

WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

roddikinathome | October 21, 17:19 CET

Creepy, creepy Ward is the best.

Pizza Combos for all interested partakers. I shall have a Magic Hat brewskie please.

hann23 | October 21, 17:19 CET

Are you saying I'm an alien!?

Squishy | October 21, 17:20 CET

Well... she handled that well.

NYPinTA | October 21, 17:20 CET

I have a Magic Hat beer. *Smug*
javelina

I have PBR!

roddikinathome | October 21, 17:21 CET

I want to be an alien.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:21 CET

Maybe I'll get some crackers and guacamole. I have to find a way to undo the chocolate damage.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:22 CET

Hello Mockingbird!

chrisobrien | October 21, 17:22 CET

Loved that scene "Epic Fail!" That was great. I need to rewatch but have to keep live.

You are already an alien @Nebula1400. I am sorry to break the news.

hann23 | October 21, 17:23 CET

So we have THREE big threads going on at once... Busy ep.

roddikinathome | October 21, 17:24 CET

The A word or the I word. Consideeing they can't use the M word.

Numfar PTB | October 21, 17:24 CET

Yeah, I wouldn't react negatively to news that I'm an alien.

Squishy | October 21, 17:25 CET

Oh snap, Simmons!

NYPinTA | October 21, 17:26 CET

oh, Jemma!

Valantha | October 21, 17:26 CET

Skulldugery!

roddikinathome | October 21, 17:26 CET

Yes, Mockingbird!

This is all making me very jumpy. It's been a while since I felt like this watching television - Buffy springs to mind. Now I've got this AND Sleepy Hollow.

Monday and Tuesday evenings = nervous as heck.

javelina | October 21, 17:27 CET

Oh snap, Simmons!
NYPinTA | October 22, 02:26 CET

oh, Jemma!
Valantha | October 22, 02:26 CET

Skulldugery!
[ edit ] roddikinathome | October 22, 02:26 CET

Need a cig?

roddikinathome | October 21, 17:28 CET

So guessing lab partner's joy at the possible death of billions helped Simmons feel less guilty?

hann23 | October 21, 17:29 CET

Monday and Tuesday evenings = nervous as heck.
javelina

Constantine on Friday!

roddikinathome | October 21, 17:30 CET

Mockingbird is totally helping her learn to hide better.

Sunfire | October 21, 17:30 CET

"You really know how to make a girl feel special."

Raina, stop it.

javelina | October 21, 17:30 CET

Mockingbird is really just trying to help Simmons maybe.

Squishy | October 21, 17:30 CET

sure roddikin :)

Valantha | October 21, 17:31 CET

"So guessing lab partner's joy at the possible death of billions helped Simmons feel less guilty?"
hann23

It would asuage my guilt a bit.

roddikinathome | October 21, 17:32 CET

I like how stuff is actually happening faster this season.

Squishy | October 21, 17:32 CET

Skye isn't going to take "no" for an answer.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:33 CET

So what's Coulson's plan, May?

Squishy | October 21, 17:33 CET

Scary violins!

roddikinathome | October 21, 17:34 CET

Ouch, this and Person of Interest... tense....

Numfar PTB | October 21, 17:34 CET

Aagh. Coulson! Simmons!

Am now counting on Mockingbird to be SHIELD.

javelina | October 21, 17:34 CET

Well shit, Simmons' cover is so blown.

Valantha | October 21, 17:34 CET

Who framed Simmons's boss?

Squishy | October 21, 17:34 CET

I assumed that "killing billions, yay!" line was meant to help us not judge Simmons for planting the evidence on him and setting him up to be tortured, yeah. And Coulson's not giving in because he knows he has Mockingbird watching her back.

Sunfire | October 21, 17:34 CET

@Squishy - YES to things happening faster.

javelina | October 21, 17:35 CET

Oh, shiiit.

Coulson, what is wrong with you? You could've just said "deal," kept Simmons cover, and then had May follow Raina and Skye. Or you could've said "deal," gotten her to delete the photo, and then had your guys arrest her.

Letting her send the photo was just ... stupid. Unless he *wants* Simmons' cover blown? In which case ... Coulson, what the hell is wrong with you?

erendis | October 21, 17:35 CET

Coulson knows about Mockingbird and vice versa?
He's counting on her to protect Skye.

[ edited by Squishy on 2014-10-22 02:36 ]

Squishy | October 21, 17:35 CET

I got so involved in the story, I missed a bunch of comments. Damned show!

Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:35 CET

I've been assuming she's working for him. This is just speculation on my part though.

Sunfire | October 21, 17:36 CET

Mockingbird was sent by Coulson to get Jemma out. It's why he could be so cool with Raina.

[ edited by Nebula1400 on 2014-10-22 02:40 ]

Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:37 CET

I meant to protect Simmons.

Squishy | October 21, 17:37 CET

Even then ... this decision on Coulson's part doesn't make sense to me. What is he thinking?

erendis | October 21, 17:37 CET

Yay Mockingbird!!

Valantha | October 21, 17:38 CET

There we are.

Sunfire | October 21, 17:38 CET

I got involved in the comments and missed a lot of Raina (the visuals). Damned show!

javelina | October 21, 17:38 CET

Well, I like her.

NYPinTA | October 21, 17:38 CET

Yay mockingbird!

Squishy | October 21, 17:38 CET

Aaaand Sunfire wins at predictions.

Also, Mockingbird is badass!

erendis | October 21, 17:38 CET

I think Skye is way way more important then any of us know.

hann23 | October 21, 17:38 CET

Hah!

Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:38 CET

Mockingbird!!!!

Numfar PTB | October 21, 17:38 CET

Putting aside Hydra and SHIELD, no one really has the right to keep Skye from her father if she wants to go.

NYPinTA | October 21, 17:39 CET

Why does that one guy always get beat up off camera? Is it in his contract or something?

NYPinTA | October 21, 17:41 CET

Glad these scenes were kept out of the promo.

Numfar PTB | October 21, 17:41 CET

A "not the face" clause?

NYPinTA | October 21, 17:41 CET

Wonder Woman's invisible plane!

Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:42 CET

My predictions for Dollhouse were ALWAYS wrong.

ooo so IS Raina Lance's ex?

Sunfire | October 21, 17:42 CET

Ooh! Hunter and Raina sitting in a tree...

Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:43 CET

I said this before. Palicki was perfectly cast here.

Numfar PTB | October 21, 17:43 CET

He's weirdly familiar with her. But he is weird, period.

Sunfire | October 21, 17:44 CET

Ok show you have 15 minutes for the Fitzsimmons reunion hug I am watching the clock.

Sunfire | October 21, 17:44 CET

She is quite good, Numfar PTB.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:44 CET

Ha, they have Adrienne Palicki jumping onto an invisible plane in her first episode! I love it. :-)

erendis | October 21, 17:45 CET

I'm willing to bet money Mockingbird is Lance's ex.

Also, I'm loving her as much as all y'all.

javelina | October 21, 17:45 CET

Could Mockingbird be his ex? The ex has come up sooo many times she has to have some plot significance.

erendis | October 21, 17:46 CET

I'm with you Sunfire… Fitzsimmons reunion… even Fitz, Simmons, Jemmaginary Friend must happen

Valantha | October 21, 17:46 CET

Palicki would have made a good Wonder Woman, invisible plane and all.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:46 CET

I'm with javelina too vis-a-vis Hunter's ex

Valantha | October 21, 17:47 CET

I know, right? She would've been fantastic, with a decent script.

erendis | October 21, 17:47 CET

@erindis Right there with you. More people should get to jump onto invisible planes :)

javelina | October 21, 17:47 CET

I think Simmons is going to be into Mockingbird. I think she likes women.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:48 CET

Did I miss the part where Raina gave the address of where Skye's father was?

NYPinTA | October 21, 17:48 CET

I'm willing to bet money Mockingbird is Lance's ex.

This is my new favorite idea.

Sunfire | October 21, 17:48 CET

What about the other door Skye?

hann23 | October 21, 17:49 CET

I think we're going to get Agent Cooper and Skye rather than FitzSimmons. Sad face.

javelina | October 21, 17:49 CET

I think Simmons is going to be into Mockingbird. I think she likes women.

This is my co-new favorite idea. I did dig that interaction on the plane. Simmons could be bi.

Sunfire | October 21, 17:49 CET

I like Lance, but how does he not get punched in the face more? ;)

NYPinTA | October 21, 17:50 CET

the father/Coulson fake-out and the "you're having on hell of a day" so great!

Valantha | October 21, 17:51 CET

Ugh! Those things are expensive, and he goes and breaks it!

Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:51 CET

Morsimmons? Simorse?

Sunfire | October 21, 17:51 CET

She said "comply"....

Numfar PTB | October 21, 17:52 CET

Simmons does seem kind of bi right now. I think she has a crush on Bobbi. And, c'mon, who wouldn't?

erendis | October 21, 17:52 CET

Ha! I thought so!

erendis | October 21, 17:53 CET

Hahahaha! Yes.

NYPinTA | October 21, 17:53 CET

OMG, I love this!

erendis | October 21, 17:53 CET

javelina called it.

Sunfire | October 21, 17:53 CET

How does she know that's a picture of her dad?

Squishy | October 21, 17:54 CET

Oddly, my favorite thing in that whole exchange was how happy Tripp is about it all.

NYPinTA | October 21, 17:54 CET

Blond thing explained.....

Numfar PTB | October 21, 17:55 CET

Agree, Simmons seems a little infatuated with her rescuer.

Kudos @javelina

hann23 | October 21, 17:55 CET

Duh! We knew it was a map!

Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:56 CET

Wait, how does she know it's a map? Did I miss something there?

Sunfire | October 21, 17:56 CET

@Sunfire Maybe seeing a larger version of it made it obvious to her or something? (Guessing.)

NYPinTA | October 21, 17:57 CET

Bobbi is Lance's ex. Yes!

WHAT DO I WIN?

And finally an answer wrt all that carving. Thank heavens.

javelina | October 21, 17:57 CET

She's been looking at it for weeks now, trying to come up with a theory. Maybe she's been thinking this for a while, and now that she sees a bigger chunk of it, it makes her think she's on the right track?

erendis | October 21, 17:57 CET

I'm with you Nebula, Simmons has a huge crush/hero-worship thing for Mockingbird.

Javelina wins!

Valantha | October 21, 17:57 CET

... or maybe she just kinda knows because she's an alien and it's an alien map.

erendis | October 21, 17:58 CET

Oh! So he's crazy, too.

NYPinTA | October 21, 17:58 CET

Oh no.

NYPinTA | October 21, 18:00 CET

I really like how fast the plot is moving this season.

erendis | October 21, 18:00 CET

Wait, hold up. What did they say about the AOU trailer?

Destructo Girl | October 21, 18:00 CET

I kinda like Skye's dad? For a crazy murderous alien monster. He seems fun.

Sunfire | October 21, 18:00 CET

The way Simmons said comply kinda scared me too.

Valantha | October 21, 18:01 CET

Oh no, my head went right to Dora. I really didn't want it too. I've seen too many pop culture memes on the internets.

So I shared.

And yes, @Sunfire crazy Kyle MacLaughlin is just loads of awesome.

[ edited by hann23 on 2014-10-22 03:02 ]

hann23 | October 21, 18:01 CET

Where and when did javelina win what?

Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:03 CET

Destructo Girl, I guess the Age of Ultron trailer will premiere next week.

NYPinTA | October 21, 18:03 CET

I'm really hoping Simmons is not compliant. Shudder.

javelina | October 21, 18:04 CET

So theories on the map? I've got zilch.

hann23 | October 21, 18:04 CET

Awasome episode tonight.Probably my favorite of the season so far and of the series actually.Loved Mockingbird's intro.Nice twist having her be Hunter's ex(in the comics,she's Hawkeye's ex).Also nice nod to her being blonde in the comcis.

This was across the board a strong episode.And Skye's dad is real bad news.

And The Avengers's Age Of Ultron trailer to debut next week during the show.

Buffyfantic | October 21, 18:04 CET

Javelina won cookies!!!

Valantha | October 21, 18:05 CET

The map is from the galaxy in Guardians of the Galaxy.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:06 CET

Wow. MacLachlan does ScaryCrazy really, really well.

So Coulson says Mockingbird is joining the team... does that mean she's an every-week cast member now? I would think that makes May kind of redundant, but I guess she's taking Ward's place as Second Ass-Kicker.

AndrewCrossett | October 21, 18:07 CET

There were symbols like that in the movie. They were a flash, but I recall seeing them. Either that, or I'm delirious.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:08 CET

Maybe Skye and Star-Lord are related. ;)

NYPinTA | October 21, 18:09 CET

Kyle M. was freaking terrifying. Able to stand up to Reed Diamond's HYDRA awfulness, which I expected, but still ...

javelina | October 21, 18:11 CET

oooh @NYPinTA that's a cool theory.

And my guess is that with two big bads leading into Ultron there's plenty of big bad evil for all the gals.

hann23 | October 21, 18:12 CET

NYPinTA, I like the way you think.

Those two would fight like cats and dogs.

javelina | October 21, 18:12 CET

Maybe, MYPinTA. I still think we're looking at a Kree storyline. Maybe a Captain Marvel/Inhumans story line.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:13 CET

Kyle M is good.

Squishy | October 21, 18:13 CET

Nebula, I won the who is Lance's ex sweepstakes :)

Edited to add: Starlord's dad is also an alien, so he could be a Kree as well? (I don't really truly think so.)

[ edited by javelina on 2014-10-22 03:17 ]

javelina | October 21, 18:15 CET

Thanks, guys. I was a little distracted when they announced that.

Overall, I really liked this episode. I was wondering how long it would take for Fitz and Simmons to reunite.

[ edited by Destructo Girl on 2014-10-22 03:16 ]

Destructo Girl | October 21, 18:15 CET

Lance just loves Princesses. Amazon princess, warrior princess. He's got a type!

NYPinTA | October 21, 18:16 CET

I got that after looking at all your comments. I'm just a little slow tonight. I blame the chocolate migraine.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:17 CET

I honestly thought that Skye and Lance would become a thing (and wouldn't be surprised if it eventually happened).

Destructo Girl | October 21, 18:21 CET

I think if they keep up that pace the whole season, the ratings will get better.

Squishy | October 21, 18:22 CET

So to summarize:

Jemma is way too much into Bobbi for Fitz's good.

Lance and Bobbi had a thing. Didn't last.

Agent Dale Cooper goes into a Hulky range with sharp objects.

Skye has two daddies.

Skye and Star-Lord may be related.

It's a map indicating where the Kree home world is, even though it looks like an electronics schematic.

Ward is still Hannibal.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:22 CET

I had the same notion, Destructo Girl. They are far too snippy with each other to not become a thing.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:23 CET

Can someone remind me who Lumley is?

Squishy | October 21, 18:24 CET

Hey guys? I think from now on we should all refer to "the Diviner" as the "Continuum Transfunctioner" 'cause you know, it's mystery is only exceeded by its power.

IMMORTAL | October 21, 18:24 CET

@Nebula - Chocolate migraine is the worst!

@Everyone - I really liked this episode. Lots going on, tense and interesting. May had very little to do but she did have a big episode last week. Since she's pals with Romanov I'm assuming Mockingbird won't put her nose out of joint.

javelina | October 21, 18:25 CET

If it's the Diviner, what is it divining?

Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:27 CET

Nebula1440: "Skye has two daddies."

Perfect! And alien-daddy is miffed that she prefers her human-daddy.

Valantha | October 21, 18:33 CET

@Squishy - Lumley was in an episode last year about agents who had gone into hiding after dealing with Baby Skye. "Death follows her," or words to that effect. Lumley was one of them.

And hey, what happened to Raina?

javelina | October 21, 18:34 CET

Valantha: Coulson is going to be stalked by her bio-dad, who will try to kill him. Then Skye's monster side will manifest.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:36 CET

Thanks, Javelina!

I think Skye's dad might not be as evil as people think. He's a bit of a whack job, but he loves his daughter.

Squishy | October 21, 18:40 CET

I don't think he's necessarily evil, Squishy, but he has a homicidal side to himself that he tries to keep under control.

He could be human (of inhuman), and he's what Coulson will become over time.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:44 CET

Yes, definitely homicidal. And VERY disrespectful of apple products.

Squishy | October 21, 18:50 CET

LOL @ Squishy!

Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:53 CET

I wonder if we can assume that Skye and and her dad are NOT aliens now that theyve hyped up that theory so aggressively this episode?

Squishy | October 21, 18:55 CET

So, I think the possibility of Simmons being compliant is still in play, but I think it's MUCH more likely that Mockingbird is... hence the cutaway shot in the hallway during the very convenient getaway... She's actually being sent in to be a repurposed Hydra mole in shield.

Or maybe not. But I feel like they (the writers) would play with the brainwashing angle at some point this season. So these are my early suspicions.

Agent | October 21, 18:55 CET

I think they are Inhumans, who are technically not aliens.

AndrewCrossett | October 21, 18:56 CET

I suspect her dad was injected with the same stuff used to save her, Coulson, and Garret. He has lived with it longer, so his insanity has manifested to make him become whatever he becomes. Remember Raina wanted to ask "What will I become?"

Coulson will also run the danger of becoming something monstrous, but Skye, who was born with the alien DNA mixed with her own, will not become an uncontrollable monster. IF she becomes anything, she will be able to control it.

That's my theory.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:59 CET

Having Simmons be compliant would be awesome. Hydra did suddenly start focusing on her a lot at the end. It would be a more shocking reveal than if Bobbi were compliant. Do we know yet who framed Simmons's boss?

Squishy | October 21, 19:02 CET

Oh, Agent, I hope you're wrong about Mockingbird! You're right that the camera work during the escape left a lot of wiggle room.

javelina | October 21, 19:02 CET

Damn - this has become a great 60 minutes of fun. As I've mentioned, and others tonite on this thread - the pace of this show has so much more energy than last season. My son and I were watching and at the 30 minute mark he just exhaled and said "I can't believe we're only halfway thru"

I thought the Coulson / Raina dinner was well played, although probably was more stressful for those who weren't familiar with the Mockingbird comics character. Still, Coulson using Raina as human bait was surprisingly ruthless.

And .... can we just give Kyle the award for "BestCrazyDude" on TV in 2014 now? Can't wait for more Kyle/Reed interplay. Actually, with exception of boring Hydra 2nd-In-Command guy, I'm really delighted with the entire cast right now and all the options to bounce of each other. That said, it IS a pretty big cast so ........ yeah.

All that plus an Avengers trailer in 7 days. It's all good

TallMichaelJ | October 21, 19:03 CET

@Squishy, I think Simmons framed her own boss. Which of course makes me worry about Simmons, even though he was clearly eeeeevil.

javelina | October 21, 19:04 CET

The Inhumans theory is intriguing. But somehow I'm skeptical that they would introduce the Inhumans, who are a potential franchise, in this show.

Squishy | October 21, 19:04 CET

Also, and I'm bummed no one else has figured this out, but Skye's dad is clearly "Agent Cooper", aka Bob. The real poor bastard never got out of that Lodge after shield got dispatched to Twin Peaks...

(and Skye's age makes the timing of that perfect!)

#itsallconnected

Agent | October 21, 19:07 CET

How did she move that thing out of her desk when everybody had to get up and stand away from their desks?

Squishy | October 21, 19:07 CET

Interesting background on Mockingbird.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 19:07 CET

Hey, Agent, I said he's probably BOB last week!

More cookies, please.

javelina | October 21, 19:08 CET

Touche'.

And... damn.

Agent | October 21, 19:09 CET

Squishy--I think that was a misdirect. I think the drawer she was looking is was his, not hers... she'd already framed him. Where she was looking was out of her arms reach I think.

Agent | October 21, 19:10 CET

I don't think Simmons has been brainwashed, but I do think it's possible (though not probable) that Mockingbird is a brainwashed triple agent. The only reason I say that is the fact that Bakshi was still standing there at Whitehall's side, despite having just allowed the most appalling security breach... Simmons was bad enough, but a S.H.I.E.L.D. mole as head of security?

I have a hard time imagining that Whitehall would tolerate a lapse like that unless it was a set-up. Still, Bakshi has failed at every mission Whitehall has sent him on so far, so who knows?

AndrewCrossett | October 21, 19:11 CET

I am only a third of the way through the episode and one thing I don't get about SHIELD's dead drop technology is why Simmons complained a few episodes ago that the dead drops involved too much fast food. She clearly doesn't have to eat any food in order to have a wrapper to throw into the trash. Also, even if she did have to eat some food, she could generate something healthy. Quinoa patty? That sounds gross, but you get my point.

I like Hunter! He's right. Everyone is making a fuss about the petite lady in the flower dress. But Flowers be deadly, guys.

the ninja report | October 21, 19:11 CET

The tiny woman in the flower dress is going to become a giant.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 19:24 CET

If the ratings drop again this week, I'm gonna start taking hostages.

AndrewCrossett | October 21, 19:25 CET

I don't know why they would drop, but I don't think we're going to see them go up. Everyone I know who hated it/slammed it during season 1 has had the same reaction to season 2 so far. I mean, I think they have crap taste, but its not exactly drawing in the skeptics, for whatever reason.

Grack21 | October 21, 19:27 CET

So good episodes here and last week. I didn't say much last week but I did enjoy May and Coulson's conversations, they had wait even though in the back of my head I know he's not going to die or go insane, at least permanently.

Mockingbird was badass and I did enjoy how tight the plot was and how Coulson one-upped Raina. So Daddy and Whitehall are working together with Raina as a rogue again but our team can track her when they want and she's got to go underground.

If it is a map, it might be the Dead Alien's desire to go back to the (probably Kree) home. Maybe the alien was shot down after his race created the Inhumans one of whom is Daddy. But that does not explain how Whitehall is ageless...

My only major problem is a carryover from the finale last year: Why the hell didn't Coulson grill Fury about what the hell the Alien is/was? He should have done it for his safety and mental health as well as Skye's. You could hope it happened off screen but if it did it should have come up in Coulson and may's private talks. And if they wee going to show the audience that anytime soon we'd have heard about SLJ appearing on the show again.

Dusk | October 21, 19:28 CET

If those of us watching all take hostages, maybe we'll get enough captive viewers to push it up a few notches.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 19:28 CET

I think Whitehall being ageless is a different mystery we might see solved or theorized in Agent Carter. Part of the benefit of having two shows connected like that is you can tag team plot lines. If Agent Carter can figure out why Whitehall is ageless, then SHIELD won't have to.

I think the alien map could be from the kree. Has it ever been established that kree have their home world or home system grafted (for lack of a better term) into their DNA? Maybe that's a thing. If that's so, I'm not sure Star-Lord is kree. Nova Corps analyzed his DNA and didn't happen to say "btw, here's where your ancient relatives live."

the ninja report | October 21, 19:43 CET

Random- Anyone else think the show is setting up Al MacKenzie to be gay? I could be wrong, but when the guys were discussing ex-girlfriends in a previous episode, he just said he had ‘exes.’ I have a feeling the Fitz attraction thing on tonight’s episode was also foreshadowing Mackenzie’s sexuality.

libradude | October 21, 19:48 CET

@the ninja report-Good guess about Agent Carter, hadn't thought of that.

I wouldn't be surprised if the ratings went down a tick again, but as I said before, I'd only be worried if it goes below 1.0 and think their is a real chance it will move back to 8 PM at some point.

Dusk | October 21, 19:57 CET

I don't know about Mac, but there's something that's causing Jemma not to feel the same way about Fitz that he does about her. Could be she's Hydra. Could be another reason.

[ edited by Nebula1400 on 2014-10-22 22:06 ]

Nebula1400 | October 21, 19:57 CET

I think we are looking at stories connected with the Skrulls. They may have made Whitehall forever middle aged. Skye may be a Skrullian Deviant, with the power to shape shift.

[ edited by Nebula1400 on 2014-10-22 22:06 ]

Nebula1400 | October 21, 20:09 CET

Pretty positive Marvel can't use the Skrulls because those rights are tied up with Fox and the Fantastic Four.

Agent | October 21, 20:18 CET

And yet, Quicksilver is allowed in both X-Men and Avengers.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 20:27 CET

I also thought I caught a glimpse of a very young Scarlet Witch watching TV with her brother at the end of Days of Future Past.

Squishy | October 21, 20:30 CET

You did, Squishy.

Nebula1400 | October 21, 20:44 CET

Hands down I am having so much more fun this season. Thank god they didn't drag out the Mockingbird thing at all. Only nitpick this week: they really stiffed us on the FitzSimmons reunion.

@theonetruebix | October 21, 20:46 CET

That's actually not Scarlet Witch/Wanda in Days of Future Past- it's Wanda and Pietro's younger sister.

Bryan Singer said: "“I even had a line which I cut, where Quicksilver’s mother says to the little girl, ‘Go up and bug your sister,’ and the little girl says, ‘She bugs me!’” he recalled. “You never see the older sister, but it was to imply that there is an older sister for comic book fans. I ended up cutting it.”

[ edited by libradude on 2014-10-22 05:52 ]

libradude | October 21, 20:51 CET

Squishy--Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were particular exceptions to the overall X-Men/mutants deal. Krull didn't get that exception for reasons not readily available. Also, don't forget Marvel was in bankruptcy when brokering those deals.

Kree (apparently "partially owned by Marvel" which could have a lot of legal implications? Rights are typically owned and then licensed, so perhaps there's an outside rights holder to the Kree... not sure who created them for Marvel, and how shrewd his deal was): http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/scifi/skrulls-badoon-part-marvel-cinematic-universe.html

Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch (definitely shared rights, though "tricky"): http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/kevin-feige-says-both-marvel-fox-can-use-quicksilver-the-scarlett-witch-in-avengers-x-men-films-20120420

Agent | October 21, 21:00 CET

Aren't Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch twins?

And yeah the skrull thing is all messed up. Technically the baddies in Avengers were Skrulls under a different name, but it gets weird.

Grack21 | October 21, 22:35 CET

libradude - totally agree on the Mac thoughts. (though my perspective was : are they setting up Fitz for a suprise relationship with Mac? like we all think Simmons will end up with Bobbi, but it's a distraction so we don't see Fitzmac coming?)

WarrenEBB | October 21, 23:02 CET

Definitely my favourite episode since Turn, Turn, Turn and possibly of the show this far. The pacing was fast and it was funny and exciting. It gave some more resolution on the Skye and Obelisk story lines whole giving more questions. Fantastic episode.

I have to say, though, that I'm tired of Ward in the cage. I think everyone agrees he can't stay there forever. Either he's going to be let out, escape, or come out to help SHIELD or Skye. I'm tired of waiting for that to happen! I thought it might be this week from the promo, since I thought Skye would go with Raina, but no. It's got to happen soon, right? (I personally think Skye will get in some sort of trouble and Coulson, knowin Ward, will let him out to help. But can it please JUST HAPPEN.) If he dies fine. I'm just bored by that storyline and want something to happen already.

RoguePirateBunny | October 21, 23:39 CET

I like Ward in the cage. It's the only interesting that character's ever been. But it is, I concede, getting repetitive.

@theonetruebix | October 22, 01:43 CET

Is Simmons or Morse compliant? Both?
They laid a lot of ground work with brainwashing. The escape was shot / cut to leave some of flexibility in the timeline. There's are many interesting ways for those scenarios to play out.

garyyager | October 22, 02:58 CET

Watching Kyle MacLachlan and Reed Diamond trying to out-evil each other is a special joy. It's like watching Lex Luthor and Brainiac.

Jason_M_Bryant | October 22, 03:41 CET

One thing I forgot to note last night, and was touched on later this thread ... I loved the way they handled the FitzSimmons reunion. It was everything it should have been. Uncomfortable, awkward, and maybe a little resentful. I don't think we'll ever see the FitzSimmons team happily chattering away in their own corner of the bus (or wherever) again.

TallMichaelJ | October 22, 04:51 CET

WarrenEBB, it's definitely possible. I love the idea of Fitz ultimately being bisexual (not just bi-curious as tonight's ep suggested). It would be great to see his relationship with Mac explored. The MCU needs more of LGBT presence. DC has added a few LGBT characters to their current crop of TV programs.

libradude | October 22, 04:59 CET

I think it would be very interesting if he was, and we were able to explore that. But I'm not sure whether these are croutons or breadcrumbs, meaning I'm not sure I'm reading into it because the scene seemed so deliberate, or if he was just making remarks to themselves as regular people do.

My initial thought is that when people comment on others of their own gender, they're not so much bicurious as they are comparing themselves to others. And Fitz is currently feeling isolated, awkward, uncomfortable with his own brain and probably feeling like his body is betraying him. Mac is, physically, the strongest person in the room and part of Fitz has to be attracted to the idea of being strong and able to overcome things. Season 1 Fitz was also insecure with his own physical abilities, but could still be absolutely confident in his brain. Now he has neither.

the ninja report | October 22, 05:28 CET

This episode was great, loved it. Can't wait to re-watch. Mockingbird was phenomenal. Watching Raina squirm was pretty cool too.

As an aside [steps up on soap box] the "gay-watching" on this thread is getting a little overboard. We're like the kid in The Sixth Sense except we're going around saying, "I see gay people" ... who cares? The sooner we as a society stop pointing out every time we think someone's orientation is not hetero the sooner we can get on with real equality. Love or hate these characters because of who they are, not because of who they love. [Steps off of soap box]

As for "Ward in the Cage" ... Now that Garret is dead, Ward serves only his queen, Skye. The team will have to trust that loyalty at some point (maybe next week if the previews are to be believed) to get what they need. Kind of reminds me of how Spike eventually became a good guy because he fell in love with Buffy and was essentially bound by that love to do her bidding.

Penthos | October 22, 05:59 CET

Personally, I interpreted Simmons' reaction as hero worship. A super-tall ninja just rescued her. A little "That was awesome!" seems inevitable.

Jason_M_Bryant | October 22, 06:12 CET

Being gay or not is part of who they are, and part of why we love them. The more you see and notice gay/lesbian characters on screen, the more you realize they are part of everyday life, part of normality.

chrisobrien | October 22, 06:24 CET

Best episode so far for me. I wish I can comment on it all but that'd be too long to write.

I had to check a couple of times that the episode wasn't over an hour long due to the amount of awesome that was hitting me at fast and precise pace.

Coulson being the BAMF we fell in love with in the movies - there needs to be more of that. He can lay it hard on Skye, make Flowers herself squirm and beg, and then be a fatherly shoulder for Skye to lean all - beautiful.

Fitz, I know what you mean about Mac. Mmmm, yes, sir.

I have this head-canon now: May, Nat and Bobbi (quite familiar with each other) have a kickass club where they exchange asskickery secrets - (RIP Izzy).

Mirage | October 22, 07:15 CET

@chris- As someone who was born and raised in Key West, Florida, I can tell you that we didn't go around categorizing people as gay or not. Nor did we decide whether we liked that person because he or she was or wasn't gay. Is a person's sexuality part of who they are? Yes. But should it be any part of the calculation in whether or not we like that person? No, absolutely not. To behave otherwise WOULD BE prejudicial.

To paraphrase MLK with some poetic license, we should judge people on the content of their character, not on the content of their bedroom.

Realistically, in any given population the proportion of LGBT to straight is usually around 10%-15%, but to be generous, let's say it's 20%. So in this crew of 10 people let's assume there are 2 gay people (which is far fewer than have been fan-outed). To then assume that these two would want to hook-up with each other (if they happen to be the same sex) JUST BECAUSE they both happen to be gay is not a reflection of reality and insinuates that all gay people are automatically attracted to each other. Which, in point of fact, is not true.

I would find it far more refreshing that IF two people DID turn out to be gay, that they couldn't stand each other. That would be breaking stereotypes.

[ edited by Penthos on 2014-10-22 16:51 ]

Penthos | October 22, 07:46 CET

The only reason I brought it up was that something is holding Simmons back from seeing Fitz as a romantic possibility. It could be many things, such as feeling unsure of herself, or her loving him as a friend, but not as a potential romantic interest. But while she did show some infatuation with Triplett, in the end, she may prefer the company of women. It's a little bit different than speculating whether or not someone is gay, just for the sake of conversation.

Nebula1400 | October 22, 13:03 CET

Penthos, I hope Chris will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the intent of that statement was less "we love them because they're gay" and more "we love them for who they are, and being gay is part of who they are".

QingTing | October 22, 14:01 CET

Great episode, and I agree with Mirage about Coulson. In some of the episodes his character has been a little off, stern boss-guy not meshing very well with quip-guy, but they wrote him really well in this ep. (I think Gregg's always good. When Coulson doesn't work for me, I blame the writers. :))

Also, I like Ward in the cage. We got a lot of Ward-time last season and everyone was so burned by him. I appreciate him being on the back burner for a while.

jcs | October 22, 18:14 CET

Penthos, it will indeed be a great day when it no longer matters. But as that day has not yet come, people are hopeful that AoS is helping it get here. Simple as that.

ManEnoughToAdmitIt | October 24, 12:26 CET

I'm late to the party here, but I would argue that speculating on possible same-sex attractions IS treating potentially gay characters exactly the same as heteros. This group has done nothing but speculate on every possible hetero romantic pair-up since day one the show began - from Fitz-Simmons, Fitz-Skye, Simmons-Ward, Skye-Ward, Sky-Trip (I'd still like to see that one), May-Coulson and on. Throwing gay pairings into the mix isn't singling them out, it's treating them equally.

barboo | October 28, 10:11 CET

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