October 21 2014
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Discuss Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 2x05 "A Hen in the Wolf House".
This week's episode was written by Brent Fletcher and directed by Holly Dale.
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Nebula1400 | October 21, 16:40 CET
hann23 | October 21, 16:49 CET
roddikinathome | October 21, 16:52 CET
chrisobrien | October 21, 16:54 CET
Valantha | October 21, 16:57 CET
So, is that the same as a quadruple cross?
[ edited by Penthos on 2014-10-22 01:58 ]
Penthos | October 21, 16:58 CET
roddikinathome | October 21, 16:58 CET
roddikinathome | October 21, 17:00 CET
My guy's in snoozeville! Woot! And I'm back to fretting for Simmons.
hann23 | October 21, 17:00 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:02 CET
roddikinathome | October 21, 17:02 CET
Sunfire | October 21, 17:03 CET
hann23 | October 21, 17:03 CET
javelina | October 21, 17:04 CET
roddikinathome | October 21, 17:04 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:04 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:07 CET
roddikinathome | October 21, 17:07 CET
javelina | October 21, 17:08 CET
roddikinathome | October 21, 17:09 CET
javelina | October 21, 17:09 CET
Snack side bar - I have pizza combos
hann23 | October 21, 17:10 CET
Valantha | October 21, 17:11 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:12 CET
Squishy | October 21, 17:12 CET
javelina
*Bows* Feel free to steal the hell out of that. Just remember wer ya got it. :)
roddikinathome | October 21, 17:13 CET
Squishy | October 21, 17:13 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:15 CET
hann23
Oooo, Gimmie!
roddikinathome | October 21, 17:15 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:16 CET
Nebula1400
O_o Poor Nebs.
roddikinathome | October 21, 17:17 CET
Squishy | October 21, 17:17 CET
Squishy | October 21, 17:18 CET
Also Carr's Ginger Cream cookies. Any takers?
javelina | October 21, 17:18 CET
NYPinTA | October 21, 17:18 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:18 CET
NYPinTA | October 21, 17:19 CET
Sunfire
WE HAVE A WINNER!!!
roddikinathome | October 21, 17:19 CET
Pizza Combos for all interested partakers. I shall have a Magic Hat brewskie please.
hann23 | October 21, 17:19 CET
Squishy | October 21, 17:20 CET
NYPinTA | October 21, 17:20 CET
javelina
I have PBR!
roddikinathome | October 21, 17:21 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:21 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:22 CET
chrisobrien | October 21, 17:22 CET
You are already an alien @Nebula1400. I am sorry to break the news.
hann23 | October 21, 17:23 CET
roddikinathome | October 21, 17:24 CET
Numfar PTB | October 21, 17:24 CET
Squishy | October 21, 17:25 CET
NYPinTA | October 21, 17:26 CET
Valantha | October 21, 17:26 CET
roddikinathome | October 21, 17:26 CET
This is all making me very jumpy. It's been a while since I felt like this watching television - Buffy springs to mind. Now I've got this AND Sleepy Hollow.
Monday and Tuesday evenings = nervous as heck.
javelina | October 21, 17:27 CET
NYPinTA | October 22, 02:26 CET
oh, Jemma!
Valantha | October 22, 02:26 CET
Skulldugery!
[ edit ] roddikinathome | October 22, 02:26 CET
Need a cig?
roddikinathome | October 21, 17:28 CET
hann23 | October 21, 17:29 CET
javelina
Constantine on Friday!
roddikinathome | October 21, 17:30 CET
Sunfire | October 21, 17:30 CET
Raina, stop it.
javelina | October 21, 17:30 CET
Squishy | October 21, 17:30 CET
Valantha | October 21, 17:31 CET
hann23
It would asuage my guilt a bit.
roddikinathome | October 21, 17:32 CET
Squishy | October 21, 17:32 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:33 CET
Squishy | October 21, 17:33 CET
roddikinathome | October 21, 17:34 CET
Numfar PTB | October 21, 17:34 CET
Am now counting on Mockingbird to be SHIELD.
javelina | October 21, 17:34 CET
Valantha | October 21, 17:34 CET
Squishy | October 21, 17:34 CET
Sunfire | October 21, 17:34 CET
javelina | October 21, 17:35 CET
Coulson, what is wrong with you? You could've just said "deal," kept Simmons cover, and then had May follow Raina and Skye. Or you could've said "deal," gotten her to delete the photo, and then had your guys arrest her.
Letting her send the photo was just ... stupid. Unless he *wants* Simmons' cover blown? In which case ... Coulson, what the hell is wrong with you?
erendis | October 21, 17:35 CET
He's counting on her to protect Skye.
[ edited by Squishy on 2014-10-22 02:36 ]
Squishy | October 21, 17:35 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:35 CET
Sunfire | October 21, 17:36 CET
[ edited by Nebula1400 on 2014-10-22 02:40 ]
Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:37 CET
Squishy | October 21, 17:37 CET
erendis | October 21, 17:37 CET
Valantha | October 21, 17:38 CET
Sunfire | October 21, 17:38 CET
javelina | October 21, 17:38 CET
NYPinTA | October 21, 17:38 CET
Squishy | October 21, 17:38 CET
Also, Mockingbird is badass!
erendis | October 21, 17:38 CET
hann23 | October 21, 17:38 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:38 CET
Numfar PTB | October 21, 17:38 CET
NYPinTA | October 21, 17:39 CET
NYPinTA | October 21, 17:41 CET
Numfar PTB | October 21, 17:41 CET
NYPinTA | October 21, 17:41 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:42 CET
ooo so IS Raina Lance's ex?
Sunfire | October 21, 17:42 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:43 CET
Numfar PTB | October 21, 17:43 CET
Sunfire | October 21, 17:44 CET
Sunfire | October 21, 17:44 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:44 CET
erendis | October 21, 17:45 CET
Also, I'm loving her as much as all y'all.
javelina | October 21, 17:45 CET
erendis | October 21, 17:46 CET
Valantha | October 21, 17:46 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:46 CET
Valantha | October 21, 17:47 CET
erendis | October 21, 17:47 CET
javelina | October 21, 17:47 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:48 CET
NYPinTA | October 21, 17:48 CET
This is my new favorite idea.
Sunfire | October 21, 17:48 CET
hann23 | October 21, 17:49 CET
javelina | October 21, 17:49 CET
This is my co-new favorite idea. I did dig that interaction on the plane. Simmons could be bi.
Sunfire | October 21, 17:49 CET
NYPinTA | October 21, 17:50 CET
Valantha | October 21, 17:51 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:51 CET
Sunfire | October 21, 17:51 CET
Numfar PTB | October 21, 17:52 CET
erendis | October 21, 17:52 CET
erendis | October 21, 17:53 CET
NYPinTA | October 21, 17:53 CET
erendis | October 21, 17:53 CET
Sunfire | October 21, 17:53 CET
Squishy | October 21, 17:54 CET
NYPinTA | October 21, 17:54 CET
Numfar PTB | October 21, 17:55 CET
Kudos @javelina
hann23 | October 21, 17:55 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 17:56 CET
Sunfire | October 21, 17:56 CET
NYPinTA | October 21, 17:57 CET
WHAT DO I WIN?
And finally an answer wrt all that carving. Thank heavens.
javelina | October 21, 17:57 CET
erendis | October 21, 17:57 CET
Javelina wins!
Valantha | October 21, 17:57 CET
erendis | October 21, 17:58 CET
NYPinTA | October 21, 17:58 CET
NYPinTA | October 21, 18:00 CET
erendis | October 21, 18:00 CET
Destructo Girl | October 21, 18:00 CET
Sunfire | October 21, 18:00 CET
Valantha | October 21, 18:01 CET
So I shared.
And yes, @Sunfire crazy Kyle MacLaughlin is just loads of awesome.
[ edited by hann23 on 2014-10-22 03:02 ]
hann23 | October 21, 18:01 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:03 CET
NYPinTA | October 21, 18:03 CET
javelina | October 21, 18:04 CET
hann23 | October 21, 18:04 CET
This was across the board a strong episode.And Skye's dad is real bad news.
And The Avengers's Age Of Ultron trailer to debut next week during the show.
Buffyfantic | October 21, 18:04 CET
Valantha | October 21, 18:05 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:06 CET
So Coulson says Mockingbird is joining the team... does that mean she's an every-week cast member now? I would think that makes May kind of redundant, but I guess she's taking Ward's place as Second Ass-Kicker.
AndrewCrossett | October 21, 18:07 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:08 CET
NYPinTA | October 21, 18:09 CET
javelina | October 21, 18:11 CET
And my guess is that with two big bads leading into Ultron there's plenty of big bad evil for all the gals.
hann23 | October 21, 18:12 CET
Those two would fight like cats and dogs.
javelina | October 21, 18:12 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:13 CET
Squishy | October 21, 18:13 CET
Edited to add: Starlord's dad is also an alien, so he could be a Kree as well? (I don't really truly think so.)
[ edited by javelina on 2014-10-22 03:17 ]
javelina | October 21, 18:15 CET
Overall, I really liked this episode. I was wondering how long it would take for Fitz and Simmons to reunite.
[ edited by Destructo Girl on 2014-10-22 03:16 ]
Destructo Girl | October 21, 18:15 CET
NYPinTA | October 21, 18:16 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:17 CET
Destructo Girl | October 21, 18:21 CET
Squishy | October 21, 18:22 CET
Jemma is way too much into Bobbi for Fitz's good.
Lance and Bobbi had a thing. Didn't last.
Agent Dale Cooper goes into a Hulky range with sharp objects.
Skye has two daddies.
Skye and Star-Lord may be related.
It's a map indicating where the Kree home world is, even though it looks like an electronics schematic.
Ward is still Hannibal.
Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:22 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:23 CET
Squishy | October 21, 18:24 CET
IMMORTAL | October 21, 18:24 CET
@Everyone - I really liked this episode. Lots going on, tense and interesting. May had very little to do but she did have a big episode last week. Since she's pals with Romanov I'm assuming Mockingbird won't put her nose out of joint.
javelina | October 21, 18:25 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:27 CET
Perfect! And alien-daddy is miffed that she prefers her human-daddy.
Valantha | October 21, 18:33 CET
And hey, what happened to Raina?
javelina | October 21, 18:34 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:36 CET
I think Skye's dad might not be as evil as people think. He's a bit of a whack job, but he loves his daughter.
Squishy | October 21, 18:40 CET
He could be human (of inhuman), and he's what Coulson will become over time.
Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:44 CET
Squishy | October 21, 18:50 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:53 CET
Squishy | October 21, 18:55 CET
Or maybe not. But I feel like they (the writers) would play with the brainwashing angle at some point this season. So these are my early suspicions.
Agent | October 21, 18:55 CET
AndrewCrossett | October 21, 18:56 CET
Coulson will also run the danger of becoming something monstrous, but Skye, who was born with the alien DNA mixed with her own, will not become an uncontrollable monster. IF she becomes anything, she will be able to control it.
That's my theory.
Nebula1400 | October 21, 18:59 CET
Squishy | October 21, 19:02 CET
javelina | October 21, 19:02 CET
I thought the Coulson / Raina dinner was well played, although probably was more stressful for those who weren't familiar with the Mockingbird comics character. Still, Coulson using Raina as human bait was surprisingly ruthless.
And .... can we just give Kyle the award for "BestCrazyDude" on TV in 2014 now? Can't wait for more Kyle/Reed interplay. Actually, with exception of boring Hydra 2nd-In-Command guy, I'm really delighted with the entire cast right now and all the options to bounce of each other. That said, it IS a pretty big cast so ........ yeah.
All that plus an Avengers trailer in 7 days. It's all good
TallMichaelJ | October 21, 19:03 CET
javelina | October 21, 19:04 CET
Squishy | October 21, 19:04 CET
(and Skye's age makes the timing of that perfect!)
#itsallconnected
Agent | October 21, 19:07 CET
Squishy | October 21, 19:07 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 19:07 CET
More cookies, please.
javelina | October 21, 19:08 CET
And... damn.
Agent | October 21, 19:09 CET
Agent | October 21, 19:10 CET
I have a hard time imagining that Whitehall would tolerate a lapse like that unless it was a set-up. Still, Bakshi has failed at every mission Whitehall has sent him on so far, so who knows?
AndrewCrossett | October 21, 19:11 CET
I like Hunter! He's right. Everyone is making a fuss about the petite lady in the flower dress. But Flowers be deadly, guys.
the ninja report | October 21, 19:11 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 19:24 CET
AndrewCrossett | October 21, 19:25 CET
Grack21 | October 21, 19:27 CET
Mockingbird was badass and I did enjoy how tight the plot was and how Coulson one-upped Raina. So Daddy and Whitehall are working together with Raina as a rogue again but our team can track her when they want and she's got to go underground.
If it is a map, it might be the Dead Alien's desire to go back to the (probably Kree) home. Maybe the alien was shot down after his race created the Inhumans one of whom is Daddy. But that does not explain how Whitehall is ageless...
My only major problem is a carryover from the finale last year: Why the hell didn't Coulson grill Fury about what the hell the Alien is/was? He should have done it for his safety and mental health as well as Skye's. You could hope it happened off screen but if it did it should have come up in Coulson and may's private talks. And if they wee going to show the audience that anytime soon we'd have heard about SLJ appearing on the show again.
Dusk | October 21, 19:28 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 19:28 CET
I think the alien map could be from the kree. Has it ever been established that kree have their home world or home system grafted (for lack of a better term) into their DNA? Maybe that's a thing. If that's so, I'm not sure Star-Lord is kree. Nova Corps analyzed his DNA and didn't happen to say "btw, here's where your ancient relatives live."
the ninja report | October 21, 19:43 CET
libradude | October 21, 19:48 CET
I wouldn't be surprised if the ratings went down a tick again, but as I said before, I'd only be worried if it goes below 1.0 and think their is a real chance it will move back to 8 PM at some point.
Dusk | October 21, 19:57 CET
[ edited by Nebula1400 on 2014-10-22 22:06 ]
Nebula1400 | October 21, 19:57 CET
[ edited by Nebula1400 on 2014-10-22 22:06 ]
Nebula1400 | October 21, 20:09 CET
Agent | October 21, 20:18 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 20:27 CET
Squishy | October 21, 20:30 CET
Nebula1400 | October 21, 20:44 CET
@theonetruebix | October 21, 20:46 CET
Bryan Singer said: "“I even had a line which I cut, where Quicksilver’s mother says to the little girl, ‘Go up and bug your sister,’ and the little girl says, ‘She bugs me!’” he recalled. “You never see the older sister, but it was to imply that there is an older sister for comic book fans. I ended up cutting it.”
[ edited by libradude on 2014-10-22 05:52 ]
libradude | October 21, 20:51 CET
Kree (apparently "partially owned by Marvel" which could have a lot of legal implications? Rights are typically owned and then licensed, so perhaps there's an outside rights holder to the Kree... not sure who created them for Marvel, and how shrewd his deal was): http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/scifi/skrulls-badoon-part-marvel-cinematic-universe.html
Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch (definitely shared rights, though "tricky"): http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/kevin-feige-says-both-marvel-fox-can-use-quicksilver-the-scarlett-witch-in-avengers-x-men-films-20120420
Agent | October 21, 21:00 CET
And yeah the skrull thing is all messed up. Technically the baddies in Avengers were Skrulls under a different name, but it gets weird.
Grack21 | October 21, 22:35 CET
WarrenEBB | October 21, 23:02 CET
I have to say, though, that I'm tired of Ward in the cage. I think everyone agrees he can't stay there forever. Either he's going to be let out, escape, or come out to help SHIELD or Skye. I'm tired of waiting for that to happen! I thought it might be this week from the promo, since I thought Skye would go with Raina, but no. It's got to happen soon, right? (I personally think Skye will get in some sort of trouble and Coulson, knowin Ward, will let him out to help. But can it please JUST HAPPEN.) If he dies fine. I'm just bored by that storyline and want something to happen already.
RoguePirateBunny | October 21, 23:39 CET
@theonetruebix | October 22, 01:43 CET
They laid a lot of ground work with brainwashing. The escape was shot / cut to leave some of flexibility in the timeline. There's are many interesting ways for those scenarios to play out.
garyyager | October 22, 02:58 CET
Jason_M_Bryant | October 22, 03:41 CET
TallMichaelJ | October 22, 04:51 CET
libradude | October 22, 04:59 CET
My initial thought is that when people comment on others of their own gender, they're not so much bicurious as they are comparing themselves to others. And Fitz is currently feeling isolated, awkward, uncomfortable with his own brain and probably feeling like his body is betraying him. Mac is, physically, the strongest person in the room and part of Fitz has to be attracted to the idea of being strong and able to overcome things. Season 1 Fitz was also insecure with his own physical abilities, but could still be absolutely confident in his brain. Now he has neither.
the ninja report | October 22, 05:28 CET
As an aside [steps up on soap box] the "gay-watching" on this thread is getting a little overboard. We're like the kid in The Sixth Sense except we're going around saying, "I see gay people" ... who cares? The sooner we as a society stop pointing out every time we think someone's orientation is not hetero the sooner we can get on with real equality. Love or hate these characters because of who they are, not because of who they love. [Steps off of soap box]
As for "Ward in the Cage" ... Now that Garret is dead, Ward serves only his queen, Skye. The team will have to trust that loyalty at some point (maybe next week if the previews are to be believed) to get what they need. Kind of reminds me of how Spike eventually became a good guy because he fell in love with Buffy and was essentially bound by that love to do her bidding.
Penthos | October 22, 05:59 CET
Jason_M_Bryant | October 22, 06:12 CET
chrisobrien | October 22, 06:24 CET
I had to check a couple of times that the episode wasn't over an hour long due to the amount of awesome that was hitting me at fast and precise pace.
Coulson being the BAMF we fell in love with in the movies - there needs to be more of that. He can lay it hard on Skye, make Flowers herself squirm and beg, and then be a fatherly shoulder for Skye to lean all - beautiful.
Fitz, I know what you mean about Mac. Mmmm, yes, sir.
I have this head-canon now: May, Nat and Bobbi (quite familiar with each other) have a kickass club where they exchange asskickery secrets - (RIP Izzy).
Mirage | October 22, 07:15 CET
To paraphrase MLK with some poetic license, we should judge people on the content of their character, not on the content of their bedroom.
Realistically, in any given population the proportion of LGBT to straight is usually around 10%-15%, but to be generous, let's say it's 20%. So in this crew of 10 people let's assume there are 2 gay people (which is far fewer than have been fan-outed). To then assume that these two would want to hook-up with each other (if they happen to be the same sex) JUST BECAUSE they both happen to be gay is not a reflection of reality and insinuates that all gay people are automatically attracted to each other. Which, in point of fact, is not true.
I would find it far more refreshing that IF two people DID turn out to be gay, that they couldn't stand each other. That would be breaking stereotypes.
[ edited by Penthos on 2014-10-22 16:51 ]
Penthos | October 22, 07:46 CET
Nebula1400 | October 22, 13:03 CET
QingTing | October 22, 14:01 CET
Also, I like Ward in the cage. We got a lot of Ward-time last season and everyone was so burned by him. I appreciate him being on the back burner for a while.
jcs | October 22, 18:14 CET
ManEnoughToAdmitIt | October 24, 12:26 CET
barboo | October 28, 10:11 CET