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January 30 2015

Joss Whedon clarifies his comments about misogyny in superhero movies. BuzzFeed News did a follow-up interview with Joss regarding his comments made to Digital Spy last summer. It's a good read and gives an indication as to what he'd like to do next.

"I will say that when I was thinking about, Well, if I wasnít going to do Avengers 2, what would I want to do? ó of course the first thing I thought of was ďturn-of-the-century female Batman.Ē Not Batman actually. But, you know, something cool."

Yes, please. Great interview.
Fantastic interview.

"If a raccoon can carry a movie, then they believe maybe even a woman can."

It's sad but true, that seem the only way to convice some execs in the industry.

"So I havenít created my own universe for over five years. That feels wrong. You know, my own universe might be a book of haiku. Iím not necessarily saying Iíve got a grand scheme."

And this fills me with hope for the future.

Funny all the mention about Mockinjay, considering that those movies were written by Danny Strong.
Nice read - very pleased that he seems to have enjoyed his Marvel relationship and that he's also prepared to do his own thing now. Very astute take on the Captain Marvel character and whether that'd play in his wheelhouse.
So the love child of Sam Fuller and Edward Gorey.

The mind reels...
Probably not Joss's thing since he wants to get back to a universe of his own but I always think it is a tragedy that there was never a decent Modesty Blaise film. It should have been a franchise to rival Bond.

In the original Modesty begins life as a child walking out of the ruins of WWII it would be interesting to see a reboot where she walks out of the ruins of the middle East.
I desperately want this Sam Fuller/Edward Gorey turn-of-the-century female Batman.
"Yes please" to a Joss-created-universe. I so wish it could be a long-form TV Joss-created universe, though. I suspect that's not all that likely, alas.

If only HBO or Netflix or someone would just throw a ton of money at him and say "give us at least three 12-episode seasons of whatever the hell story you want to tell and we won't send you a single note, ever." There are no sure things in show biz, but I find it hard to believe that wouldn't ultimately prove to be a winning investment.
It's more than a bit depressing to realize we are in 2015 now and Joss is still out there shooting his crossbow in regards to this uphill battle. The battle to let women be a part of things in as large a way as men are. He said something great in a different interview (Huffpost Women):

"I'm hoping 'The Hunger Games' will lead to a paradigm shift," he said at the time. "It's frustrating to me that I don't see anybody developing one of these movies. It actually pisses me off. My daughter watched 'The Avengers' and was like, 'My favorite characters were the Black Widow and Maria Hill,' and I thought, Yeah, of course they were. I read a beautiful thing Junot Diaz wrote: 'If you want to make a human being into a monster, deny them, at the cultural level, any reflection of themselves.'"


In a culture where an all female Ghostbusters is heavily criticized by men and probably men in the industry as well, you really get a sense of what we're up against (All-Female Ghostbusters Backlash Is A Reminder Things Still Haven't Changed For Women In Film. I think that is just as valid a remake as would be an all-female Reservoir Dogs or an all-female GlenGarry Glen Ross. I think any or both of those would be delicious with a female perspective because women are all different personalities and sensibilities, as are men.

Let's get over it shall we? Keep criticizing, Joss. Keep lobbing your crossbow shots over their heads.

[ edited by Tonya J on 2015-01-30 20:35 ]

[ edited by Tonya J on 2015-01-30 20:38 ]
Great interview! I'm so happy that he's talking about creating an original universe again. And possibly a period piece! That would be amazing. And not that his storytelling wouldn't be enough, but an original Joss world with even a fraction of the budget of the Avengers would be incredible! I'm also really excited about the idea of him writing a female lead again, just because there are so few people doing that, whatever advancements we've made.
I will also accept an animated Firefly.
Fray. The Movie.
Obligatory Dichen Lachman is Fray comment. Also Free Goners.
Something Fray-related would be great, but it sounds like Joss wants to create an entirely new universe (she of course belongs to the Buffyverse).
I've pictured Tania Raymonde as Melaka Fray, Alona Tal as Erin and Kevin McHale as Harth.

I hope Joss's first order of business is to get back with Warren Ellis and do Wastelanders.
I find it strange for this question to pop up for the creator of "BtVS" and "Dollhouse". How quickly people forget.

And much like you, I would scream to see the rise of "Fray" from the mind of Joss.
Joss should know that its time to return to Serenity
If Joss is going to move away from the MCU and onto something else I want it to be an all new universe, not a return to Firefly. Imagine a new verse with a bunch of wonderful new characters.

Agree with Yoink, surely its time for Joss to get a Netflix/Amazon/Hulu/whatever deal, there are so many networks (both online and traditional TV ones) that there has never been a better time for a Whedon return.
I would love to see he going back to Fray, Suggar Shock and DrHSAB.

A little off topic, but I just saw in Brazilian TV a promo for a Canadian cartoon, called "The League of Super Evil", with some kind of looser bad guys and one of them wearing lab glasses and coat. Somebody knows about it or if the creators ever did a Joss nod?
An all-new Joss 'verse plus Netflix/Amazon/HBO/Hulu/whatever sounds beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!
My dream is for Joss to get a deal for a show called "Joss Whedon Presents." Just like the old "Alfred Hitchcock Presents", it would be a different story every week. If he wanted to to a comedy one week and a horror story the next, he could. If he wanted to do a three part Doctor Horrible sequel, that would make a good season finale. He could follow up on old stories as much as he wants and start new stories as much as he wants.
Truthfully, the most exciting thing for me about hearing about Dr Horrible's Sing Along blog was not knowing what it was. I'd love to see Joss turn up to Comic-Con one year with a trailer for something nobody knew existed. Also because it sounds near impossible to achieve in today's internet age, but I like impossible.
I'd still love to see Wastelanders and Goners. For whatever reason, the hints we got about those projects continue to fascinate me the most.

But something completely new and surprising would be great, too. Basically, I just love the idea of him creating new worlds again--can't wait to see what that looks like.
He was seen having lunch with Warren Ellis not too long ago, which makes me hopeful that Wastelanders isn't dead.

The fact that Joss is now allowing the Serenity comics to move forward past the movie tells me he's probably given up on any thoughts of Serenity II. But Dr. Horrible II is a different story.
Terrific interview. I would add that the photo at the top seems to be crying out for a caption contest.
I can see an Edward Gorey-influenced ballet, myself. But Jason_M_Bryants idea of Joss Whedon Presents is genius!
Lioness, now that would be even better! Edward Gorey-influenced turn-of-the-century female Batman with ballet. Joss already proved with 'Serenity' that action movies need more ballet.
I know there's this whole call for papers speculating about what Joss will do next, but while he may have certain ideas about what he wants to do, he may not know, either. I prefer not to speculate, and then be surprised.
Yes, new Joss-verse sounds very exciting! (Sorry to say, I'm not really amped-up about a book of haiku, though.)

We were fighting over the girl from the one issue of Swamp Thing for our pretend girlfriend.

Why is it that I can picture this scene so clearly?
I'm with camp "give me something new."

I had this thought when we were talking about Marvel... Why couldn't Marvel or DC hand him the money to create a new property but in film or TV first? I mean, the kind of things he creates all get ported to comics anyway. I'd think DC/WB would be a better fit here because I don't think they'd require him to graft it to the MCU (even Guardians was setting up Thanos), but it could be a great mix of name recognition and exactly the kind of ammo you'd need to create a new franchise these days.

But I mean even he wants to do a simpler thing, I'm cool with that too.

[ edited by azzers on 2015-02-01 20:18 ]
I'm with the Netflix, Amazon and anywhere but networks plan. I also hope that maybe we'll see Doctor Horrible 2: The Ballet of Evil.

I'm tired of Joss getting weirdness from the world for dissing mysoginy.

[ edited by hann23 on 2015-02-01 02:55 ]
"We were fighting over the girl from the one issue of Swamp Thing for our pretend girlfriend.

Why is it that I can picture this scene so clearly?"

Hahaha, it's sad how nostalgic this sentence made me, as well. Glad someone finally had the courage to say something about this phenomenon on a public stage.

[ edited by sumogrip on 2015-02-01 04:26 ]
technovamp: I always think it is a tragedy that there was never a decent Modesty Blaise film.

Yes. This. While the 1966 version is kitsch-y fun 60's fun - well, mostly the sets are - it doesn't convey anything I like about the books. I've never seen the 1982 version (ugh, Modesty & Willie as Americans?!!) and the 2004 film bagged Willie Garvin, so I never saw the point. I wish someone had done it right, and we'd have had a great franchise. (And while we're at it, I wish there had been a good Travis McGee movie series. My choice for fantasy Trav-casting would have been young James Coburn.)

I too like Jason_M_Bryant's "Joss Whedon Presents" - but as always, though I'd cerainly enjoy it if Joss did Goners or Fray or more Firefly/Serenity, primarily what I want is for Joss to do whateverthehell he wants. A new Joss universe would be doubleplusgood.

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