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February 05 2015

Joss Whedon is one of the "Artists for Warren". Yes, the US Presidential campaign season is upon us. *spoilers* Senator Perrin wins anyway *end of spoilers*.

I think Joss is taking a big risk. She could very well demand a Firefly reunion.
That sounds like government over-reach to me, Pointy. Every American should have the right to choose if they have a Firefly reunion or not. :D
Yet another reason to love Joss.
Hmm.. The things I've heard about her have been positive, so this is exciting. I didn't notice too many names I recognized. Besides Joss, only Ed Norton and Elizabeth Olsen stuck out. I may have missed something though.
Mark Ruffalo is listed. As actor & activist.
Can someone, please, summarise this for th non USers?

I never heard of this lady. Is she Democrat? This letter is for she becames a pre-candidate for her party primaries? There is something big for what she is known in USA?
I don't know her that well, but she's known as a Democrat who's been tough on Wall Street, especially during the bank bailouts.

EDIT: Also, she's repetedly said that she isn't running, so this is another attempt to try to recruit her.

[ edited by PaperSpock on 2015-02-05 18:16 ]
...and they misspelled Elizabeth Olsen's name.
If Joss says so... After all, he contributed to stopping Zomney from taking office, a little bit.

But I'm European, so I just get to watch the spectacle.
Elizabeth Warren is a Massachusetts senator. She is well respected within the Democratic party (one of the two major U.S. political parties). Her policies are pretty far to the left as far as U.S. politics go. She is often compared to Hillary Clinton- though Clinton is more of a centrist/moderate Democrat.

[ edited by libradude on 2015-02-05 20:59 ]
For context, "pretty far to the left" in the US means right of center in most of Europe. :)
Not really caring for her myself due to her stand on certain issues and me a strong liberty-minded person. I won't go into it out of respect for other points of view here. This isn't the place to do that kind of thing.
Good for Joss. Duncan Jones (filmmaker who made Moon among other films) tweeted this on Feb. 1 of Warren (two of the pictured which I can't reproduce here, were Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg). The responses were a resounding "NO. You can't have her":

Duncan Jones
‏@ManMadeMoon

This is Elizabeth Warren. Shes American. Can we transfer her to the UK & give them one of this lot? Or all of them?

Nice of Joss. Saw her on The Daily Show once, but don't know much about her as a Canadian. We've got our own election coming up, plus the tradition of American attack ads that spill over onto our televisions.
I met Elizabeth Warren when she was a law student at Rutgers University. It took me a while to figure out why I knew her face when seeing her in a number of documentaries, but she was an activist student at Rutgers Law School in Newark when I was organizing for the United Farm Workers. I also knew David Amram, Steve Earle, and Tom Chapin (all signers of this letter) for the same reason.

Elizabeth Warren,who is a US Senator from Massachusetts, while not always great on foreign policy (IMO), is excellent when it comes to economic issues in the US. She can be seen in the documentaries "Heist: Who Stole the American Dream?" "Maxed Out," "Capitalism: A Love Story," and "U R Pre-Approved."
I doubt she'll run. She's already said she won't and she probably doesn't want the conflict of running against Hillary Clinton. I do like her though. She's got great views on the economy.
Thanks for the clarifications PaperSpock, libradude and Nebula1400.

Really that still are real "left" parties in Europe IrrationaliTV? Here, all the liberals do right wing economy policies, ehile the rest of their South American counterparts are just populists.
As an Australian - Warren is probably my favourite US politician. Makes me glad that Joss likes her so much.

Also, Clinton/Warren '16. Do it America.
Speaking as a routine traveler who has lived significant portions of my life both on the Continent and in North America, I love it when people try to draw parallels between the way terms like Right and Left are used in each place. Because, really - they have so little to do with each other it's comical.

Kudos to Joss, I suppose. Can't say I'd agree, but it's always nice to be reminded that people in the arts are allowed to have opinions on things.
Agent-- I thought they misspelled Elizabeth Olsen's name too, but she's listed as an artist, not an actor (and the list clearly makes a distinction between the two). I don't know who Elizabeth Olson, the artist, is (Google has not helped much), but I have a feeling she's different from Elizabeth Olsen, the actor.
I apologize for my ignorance, brinderwalt. I'll aspire to be better.
Surprised Ruffalo supports Warren given his suport of Gazans this last summer given Warren's position justifying the violence this last summer.

Bernie Sanders referenced in the Warren article identifies as a democratic socialist and is to the left of Warren.

The Green Party is the party in US which is furthest to the left opposing all "war on terror" policies, the close relationship between corporations and politicians and supports healthcare for all among other positions.

[ edited by Tausif on 2015-02-06 06:06 ]
"I love it when people try to draw parallels between the way terms like Right and Left are used in each place. Because, really - they have so little to do with each other it's comical."

It's true there are often major differences, but the terms left and right are meant to imply certain policies worldwide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_political_parties
Here, all the liberals do right wing economy policies, ehile the rest of their South American counterparts are just populists.

The same thing here, Brasilian Chaos Man. While it's not easy to do comparisons of political ideologies, "liberals" in politics here tend to be to the right of labor parties, the Greens, socialists, communists, anarchists, etc. Speaking in terms of right and left can also be simplistic, because there are variations of all of these that are left, right, and somewhere in between.

Surprised Ruffalo supports Warren given his suport of Gazans this last summer given Warren's position justifying the violence this last summer.

Bernie Sanders referenced in the Warren article identifies as a democratic socialist and is to the left of Warren.


I'm surprised at Mark Ruffalo's support, too, but he may be taking a pragmatic approach to this in an effort to move the political agenda away from the right and center. I still have a hard time supporting her or Bernie, because of their positions on Gaza. She is not as progressive in terms of foreign policy as she is on domestic issues. At least Bernie is a little better about on foreign policy, Zionist blind spot notwithstanding. Unfortunately, both Liz and Bernie voted for the "Monsanto Protection Act." :(

The people who signed the letter are decent people. Some of them may still have some faith in the electoral process. They may still be like many of us who end up having to hold our noses as we cast our votes, and just hope that maybe we'll get someone in office who actually does the right thing by the (non-corporation) people.

I promised I wouldn't say anything political anymore. I guess it's like promising never to breathe again... My apologies.
Warren does show promise for on the economy - but her history on foreign policy and the environment don't put her in such a good light, IMO.

So, yes, surprised on Mark Ruffalo's support, too.
It's hard to find a political candidate, no matter what your views, who agrees with you on everything. If the candidate agrees with you on, say, four out of five, and five is not your most crucial issue, you probably support that candidate. (Unless you're planning to run yourself.)
Usually a good idea not to make your move too soon. Probably Warren figures she is young enough to have a term or two in the Senate, where she can focus on economics, and make a Presidential run later w/o directly opposing the Clinton machine or splitting the feminist vote. Or she might run for Governor next; she'll have a lot of support if she does and lately governorship has been a better platform than the Senate for a Presidential run. Also, she'll have a very good shot to be the Vice Presidential candidate on the Democratic ticket next time a man is nominated for President and she could negotiate to have a serious economic portfolio if the Dems win (in the US system, Vice Presidents mostly get to do whatever the President allows, which often is very little.)
Well, in Brazilian system, the VP does virtually nothing. Untill, the president travels to foreign countries or any occassion where he (right now is a she) cannot runs the country.
And the Green Party, strangely, had supported, in the second turn, the right wing president candidate, alaign themselseves with our "Democrats" who are the conservadors who were the dictartorship government.
Janef, Warren is 65, only 2 years younger than Hillary Clinton.

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