April 23 2015
Joss Whedon regrets resurrecting Phil Coulson.
Whedon is quoted as saying he feels it "take some of the punch out of it [his death scene] for me." Joss also tells the Wrap that Edgar Wright's Ant Man script was "not only the best script that Marvel had ever had, but the most Marvel script I'd read."
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alliterator | April 23, 16:38 CET
glitchygirl | April 23, 16:54 CET
Agent | April 23, 17:17 CET
Hmm... I've always seen Coulson's not-death as a great way to create drama between Avengers. For example, if you wanted them to all get upset at Nick Fury, reveal that Coulson is alive, and Fury knew the whole time. Or, have a subset of Avengers learn first, then create drama between the ones who find out first and the ones who find out later.
While I agree that it does take a bit of the punch out of the first movie, I also think there's plenty of interesting things that can be done with it. We're seeing quite a few of them on SHIELD already, but I think that there's a way to bring the development to the movies in a way that carries weight as well.
PaperSpock | April 23, 17:30 CET
eddy | April 23, 17:46 CET
It looks like it really is time for him to walk away from Marvel.
AndrewCrossett | April 23, 18:30 CET
And who's in charge then? Jeph or JMo?
[ edited by eddy on 2015-04-24 03:32 ]
eddy | April 23, 18:31 CET
I think Joss said he wanted to supervise and read every script, but then he was told, you know, he really had to work on AoU, which he was like, "Oh, right."
I think the reason he's regretting bringing Coulson back is that it does sort of numb the pain of him dying in the first place. Now when you watch it, you don't go "Oh shit! He's dead!" Instead you go, "Well, he's going to be dead for a few days and then he'll be fine."
I mean, I think bringing him back for AOS was worth it, but still.
alliterator | April 23, 18:41 CET
Joss has brought back many dead characters. I'm OK with the way he brought back Coulson. While I am psyched for seeing AoU, I do wish he could have overseen AoS for the past 2 years. Not that JMo aren't good at it, but they are still not Joss.
Nebula1400 | April 23, 18:54 CET
PaperSpock | April 23, 18:58 CET
Nebula1400 | April 23, 19:01 CET
PaperSpock | April 23, 19:05 CET
AndrewCrossett | April 23, 19:18 CET
It sounds like Joss needs to distance himself from this, take time off, and then, if we're lucky, he'll share the next great thing that is his own with us.
Nebula1400 | April 23, 19:54 CET
Yes, please. I want to see this.
[ edited by Amrita on 2015-04-24 07:05 ]
Amrita | April 23, 22:04 CET
IrrationaliTV | April 23, 22:11 CET
rabid | April 24, 03:59 CET
AndrewCrossett | April 24, 05:09 CET
garyyager | April 24, 05:19 CET
NYPinTA | April 24, 06:36 CET
[ edited by Squishy on 2015-04-24 17:13 ]
Squishy | April 24, 08:12 CET
I also kinds regret they brought back Coulson. It was such a moment in the Avengers, and I do think on repeat viewings it loses much of its "ooommph" I also feel like AoS has been somewhat hamstrung by trying to make Coulson a leading man, when he's really best used as a garnish
I think Joss is being somewhat sarcastic when saying that Marvel told him he couldn't do SHIELD. There is no doubt in my mind that Joss knew exactly what he was getting into when agreeing to direct AoU, and that in doing so there'd be no way he'd have day to day oversight ... as much as he might want that in a perfect world where one project doesn't suck up your life 24/7.
Joss has been incredibly complimentary regarding the Marvel team and his working experience and that he's delivering "his" personal movie - some sites like to use the fact that someone wants to move on to something new as proof that The Man is crushing the beleaguered artist
TallMichaelJ | April 24, 12:22 CET
Also a pretty un-nice move to rattle off every major character that died in a Joss show/film. To hell with people who may not have watched EVERYTHING.
D-e-f- | April 24, 14:12 CET
[ edited by Tonya J on 2015-04-25 02:33 ]
Tonya J | April 24, 14:58 CET
The deal for Avengers 2 and SHIELD happened at the same time. Joss' point in the buzzfeed piece (which keeps getting recycled with less detail, like the Spiderman movies) I think was around how exhausting and consuming the process was, and how creating a TV show and a movie at same time wasn't going to go as you'd like it to in your head. I don't think he's bitter at Jed or Maurissa for not having control of the show. Nor do I think Joss is crying into his cornflakes about resurrecting Coulson.
gossi | April 25, 09:11 CET
feelinglistless | April 25, 13:15 CET
azzers | April 25, 13:23 CET
azzers, you make a very good point about not all Marvel fans being like us. Thanks.
Jocelyn | April 26, 06:25 CET