April 24
2015
James Marsters reveals two good Joss Whedon secrets.
The Buffy writers' story is really interesting.
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Gotta disagree with James there. Joss has created/written some great three-dimensional villains.
libradude | April 24, 02:07 CET
Madhatter | April 24, 02:53 CET
hann23 | April 24, 04:34 CET
For me, there is (or should be) a difference between soulless evil (most vamps not named Angel) and souled evil (the Mayor and many others). Perhaps Joss wrote Spike as the former and James is saying he chose to act the latter -- and I guess it worked because he turned into a recurring character.
That said, I never thought of Spike as being soulful as a soulless vamp... I perceived a perverse sense of whimsy but I don't think that is necessarily soulful.
tomg | April 24, 06:46 CET
Two things that always surprise me about JM 1) that he doesn't get bored saying the same things over and over again in interviews, and 2) he seems pretty smart but... how much he fails to understand some aspects of Spike's story S6/7. ;D
[ edited by Stoney on 2015-04-24 16:04 ]
Stoney | April 24, 07:00 CET
As for the writer's room story: makes sense. That's basically what Joss does, isn't it? But I didn't realize he was farming all the pain he could lay his hands on...
ManEnoughToAdmitIt | April 24, 07:03 CET
Stoney | April 24, 07:11 CET
Which is bizarre, considering all the multi-dimensional villains in Joss' work, many of whom Marsters worked with. The Trio, anybody?
Ara | April 24, 07:14 CET
eddy | April 24, 08:43 CET
Bluelark | April 24, 11:25 CET
Here's the thing, Joss is a very smart guy but very early Buffy was not overly nuanced in terms of good/evil although it had its moments. There's no doubt in my mind that it wasn't accidental. It's why Angel and Angelus were originally portrayed as distinctly not the same person. The audience really wasn't supposed to get into confused arguments over agency questions. We were supposed to see how different the the person we met repenting and who he had been were.
A lot of later season arguments really tend to stem from early Buffy where it's quite obvious black and white existed and the more late season/Angel style which honestly still tried desperately hard to keep the two separate but also tried for Fireflyish shades of grey. And that's one of the reasons I think people over time got into deeper and deeper arguments over plotline in the Buffyverse.
There were really two different ways it appeared to be written and it may very well have had to do with how Joss conceptualized the shows early vs. late. It really explains why fandom tended to splinter in terms of perspective as different groups of smart people were exposed to different mores and different plot at different times. A lot of people tried to shift the Buffyverse back to their preferred box.
[ edited by azzers on 2015-04-25 00:03 ]
azzers | April 24, 14:56 CET
>> That's basically what Joss does, isn't it?
>> But I didn't realize he was farming all the pain he could lay his hands on...
"I like the Pain,
I need the Pain,
give me your Pain."
-- Katya from "Melinda"
Some things just never change.
RobynH | April 24, 16:48 CET
>> That's basically what Joss does, isn't it?
>> But I didn't realize he was farming all the pain he could lay his hands on...
"I like the Pain,
I need the Pain,
give me your Pain."
-- Katya from "Melinda"
Some things just never change.
This may be my favorite post this week!
Nebula1400 | April 24, 20:25 CET
Joss has never pulled any punches with that. His characters are human and they make lifelike mistakes and bad decisions. I've always liked that they were "grey hats" in being human.
Madhatter | April 25, 01:09 CET
Homer: "Mmmmm . . . , fish jelly."
RobynH | April 25, 04:34 CET
tomg | April 25, 17:31 CET
You wouldn't know any difference. Sad.
Madhatter | April 25, 20:09 CET
RobynH | April 25, 21:43 CET
Jocelyn | April 26, 06:27 CET
[ edited by Jocelyn on 2015-04-26 15:35 ]
[ edited by Jocelyn on 2015-04-26 15:36 ]
Jocelyn | April 26, 06:30 CET
Send in the catfight?
RobynH | April 26, 16:47 CET
Thanks for the Dadaism, I feel much more abstract now.
Darn keyboard always putting in what I type instead of what i mean.
RobynH | April 26, 16:49 CET
Jocelyn | April 26, 17:23 CET
Rowan Hawthorn | April 27, 06:02 CET