September 29 2015
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Discuss Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 3x01 "Laws of Nature".
Welcome to Season 3! The premiere was written by Maurissa Tancharoen and Jed Whedon. It was directed by Vincent Misiano.
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Sunfire | September 29, 16:38 CET
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Dusk | September 29, 16:45 CET
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Dusk | September 29, 16:53 CET
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javelina | September 29, 17:00 CET
OK... AOS is on!
Nebula1400 | September 29, 17:00 CET
JDL | September 29, 17:00 CET
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javelina | September 29, 17:01 CET
Numfar PTB | September 29, 17:03 CET
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AndrewCrossett | September 29, 17:09 CET
javelina | September 29, 17:09 CET
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Sunfire | September 29, 17:10 CET
Numfar PTB | September 29, 17:11 CET
JDL | September 29, 17:11 CET
Nebula1400 | September 29, 17:12 CET
Sunfire | September 29, 17:13 CET
And how many Stone People?
javelina | September 29, 17:14 CET
Numfar PTB | September 29, 17:15 CET
Numfar PTB | September 29, 17:16 CET
Numfar PTB | September 29, 17:19 CET
Nebula1400 | September 29, 17:20 CET
javelina | September 29, 17:21 CET
Dusk | September 29, 17:21 CET
Nebula1400 | September 29, 17:22 CET
AndrewCrossett | September 29, 17:22 CET
Good call. In any event I like it.
JDL | September 29, 17:23 CET
eddy | September 29, 17:24 CET
So far, so good. (The episode, not my cable.) Loving the mocking of Coulson by Hunter and Mack. Fitz. The team working together. Stuff.
It's back..
NYPinTA | September 29, 17:25 CET
[ edited by javelina on 2015-09-30 02:26 ]
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NYPinTA | September 29, 17:41 CET
javelina | September 29, 17:41 CET
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Sunfire | September 29, 17:42 CET
NYPinTA | September 29, 17:43 CET
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Lash_(Inhuman)_(Earth-616)
Numfar PTB | September 29, 17:43 CET
[ edited by Nebula1400 on 2015-09-30 02:43 ]
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Sunfire | September 29, 17:53 CET
javelina | September 29, 17:55 CET
Sunfire | September 29, 17:55 CET
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chrisobrien | September 29, 17:57 CET
Numfar PTB | September 29, 17:58 CET
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Sunfire | September 29, 17:59 CET
Numfar PTB | September 29, 18:00 CET
Nebula1400 | September 29, 18:00 CET
chrisobrien | September 29, 18:00 CET
Nebula1400 | September 29, 18:01 CET
Grack21 | September 29, 18:01 CET
And as for Simmons and Fitz - my poor babies.
javelina | September 29, 18:01 CET
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javelina | September 29, 18:02 CET
Simmons on the other side of the universe! Maybe it's Hala.
Rosalind isn't someone they can fight but she's not a friend either.
Oh and those "legs" in the opening scene was probably Joey's cocoon.
Dusk | September 29, 18:03 CET
Well you can get it off of Amazon later for $2.
Hulu will be a week delayed even on premium.
[ edited by JDL on 2015-09-30 03:05 ]
JDL | September 29, 18:03 CET
Nebula1400 | September 29, 18:04 CET
The Simmons tease was a real surprise.I didn't expect that she would be another planet or realmn.
Buffyfantic | September 29, 18:04 CET
Grack21 | September 29, 18:05 CET
AndrewCrossett | September 29, 18:07 CET
javelina | September 29, 18:07 CET
Anonymous1 | September 29, 18:08 CET
[ edited by javelina on 2015-09-30 03:11 ]
javelina | September 29, 18:09 CET
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javelina | September 29, 18:11 CET
Dusk | September 29, 18:16 CET
* Edit - I stand corrected, see below.
[ edited by javelina on 2015-09-30 03:33 ]
javelina | September 29, 18:19 CET
Grack21 | September 29, 18:23 CET
Iain De Caestecker is such a powerful actor!
[ edited by Nebula1400 on 2015-09-30 03:27 ]
Nebula1400 | September 29, 18:24 CET
The episode was good, possibly the strongest of the show for emotion of character and totally for action. Joey is sympathetic enough. Not sure on Lincoln either.
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[ edited by Dusk on 2015-09-30 03:33 ]
Dusk | September 29, 18:27 CET
Nebula1400 | September 29, 18:28 CET
There was a LOT going on. Plus javelina_kid was watching with me, for the first time, and he had a lot of questions, so like Nebula I can't wait to see it again, alone. (Also like Nebula, I agree that Iain De Caestecker was yet again MVP, even though he wasn't on screen that much tonight.)
javelina | September 29, 18:32 CET
Nebula1400 | September 29, 18:36 CET
Scream.
javelina | September 29, 18:42 CET
Nebula1400 | September 29, 18:44 CET
AndrewCrossett | September 29, 18:49 CET
[ edited by Buffyfantic on 2015-09-30 03:52 ]
Buffyfantic | September 29, 18:51 CET
Dusk | September 29, 18:53 CET
Team Coulson vs. Alien Agency
Big Bad Inhuman vs. Team Coulson
Bobbi n' Hunter vs. Team Hydra
FitzQuest for Simmons
Also worth noting - Iain De Caestecker is a hell of an actor and really stands out - another great performance
TallMichaelJ | September 29, 18:57 CET
Bishop | September 29, 18:59 CET
Nebula1400 | September 29, 19:04 CET
Dusk | September 29, 19:12 CET
Fitz's final scene almost had me in tears. That was some fantastic acting by Iain.
Anyone else notice the new title card? It had weird blue stuff in the background.
Lots of nice callbacks. References to AOU, Antman, the Iron Man 3 president, and Coulson was drinking out of the grumpy cat mug.
It looked like Simmons was afraid of bleeding so I'm thinking that whatever planet she's on, she has some sort of big scary animals after her. I'm assuming she won't return until sweeps since that is always when characters return...boo.
RoguePirateBunny | September 29, 21:12 CET
Shapenew | September 29, 21:28 CET
Nebula1400 | September 29, 21:45 CET
(Bad-ass girl with superpowers, fighting a big guy in a monster suit, female scientist trapped in an alien dimension, narrative twists mid episode and some serious emotional scenes! Plus the quips.)
rg253 | September 29, 21:47 CET
Lash is a disciple of Jiaying. In the comics, Lash believes that only select dormants are worthy of becoming Inhumans, and where have we heard that sentiment before? So, in addition to hunting down "unworthy" Inhumans, he's gonna be on a vengeance kick. Wouldn't it be great if he decides to go after Cal, thus bringing Kyle MacLachlan back to the show for a while?
SHIELD and ACTU are going to become uneasy antagonist allies, like Col. Talbot. Until the other shoe drops. Like, say . . . whatever ultimately triggers the Civil War.
Jemma is in the Negative Zone. The Monolith is a Kree artifact, and in the comics, there is a famous Kree warrior who is trapped in the Negative Zone, but can switch places when a human uses the "Nega-Bands," a Kree artifact that provides a temporary gateway to the Negative Zone. That warrior? Captain Marvel. Who is, of course, getting a movie in 2018. Now, the modern Captain Marvel who is being used by the MCU, Carol Danvers, doesn't use Nega-Bands or switch places, but with the MCU's habit of combining aspects of multiple characters into one, they could very well combine the "switching places" mechanic onto the Carol Danvers character for the movie. Thus, this could be an early setup/explanation/introduction. The Monolith is a primitive form of the Nega-Bands, or perhaps the gateway the Kree use to sentence people to the Negative Zone. This could further tie into Civil War, since during the conflict in the comics, super powered criminals were sentenced to the Negative Zone as well, and the Monolith could be how they do it in the MCU. And finally, the Negative Zone is where the Guardians of the Galaxy ultimately picked up one of their B-Team members, Jack Flag. So, to recap, Jemma could be a tie-in to Civil War, Captain Marvel, AND Guardians of the Galaxy.
So that's my epileptic trees. Feel free to counter-speculate!
- J
Batman1016 | September 29, 22:28 CET
JDL | September 29, 23:07 CET
Simon | September 30, 00:09 CET
- Last I checked, that wasn't a confirmed "absolutely no go" for MCU. Yes, it is speculated that "Planet Zero" in Fant4stic was in the Negative Zone, and in the comics, it was discovered by Reed Richards. On the flip side, it was never officially named as such in the movie, and given the ABYSMAL performance of the flick, it may never be so identified in any sequel, since a sequel is much less likely to happen.
- Further, I have not come across a single official word on the subject, yea OR nay, regarding who holds the rights or how fluid or gray-area they are. Please show me an exec quote or a contract.
- Given Disney/Marvel's history of aggressive negotiating tactics, and in light of the aforementioned horrible box office of Fant4stic, they could well be pressuring Fox into giving up the rights to at least SOME of the FF properties, if not the whole shebang.
- Fourth, one word: Quicksilver. Could have dual ownership.
- And lastly, even if they can't use the name, Disney will happily dance around the issue or change the name or simply never explicitly name it anything at all, just "The Zone" or "The Planet" or whatever. Just like they did with the Cosmic Cube, or using the Chitauri and the Sakaarans instead of the Skrulls and the Badoon. So saying "it's not the Negative Zone" is a semantic argument. It very well could be an exact analog, different in name only. Ergo, it's the Negative Zone.
Of course, the whole Negative Zone idea is just pure speculation to begin with, but saying it's impossible because of the film rights issue? Little thing like that wouldn't stop the writers at all if that was the direction they wanted to go.
Batman1016 | September 30, 00:21 CET
Bishop | September 30, 03:38 CET
NYPinTA | September 30, 04:50 CET
Nebula1400 | September 30, 06:18 CET
Nobody has yet mentioned my favorite line from the episode, which was Mack's "I need a bigger gun. Or my axe. Or maybe a shotgun-axe combination of some sort".
Rachelkachel | September 30, 06:27 CET
How did they accurately land that SHIELD-box-room into a MOVING subway car that was underground ? Fine, TV-science/advanced SHIELD tech with pinpoint accuracy and enough force, but still...looked/seemed ridiculous. Does it account for the possibility of pedestrians or folks in vehicles being in the way of it and steer around them during its descent ? Otherwise, Coulson and Hunter might've just killed some folks in order to escape a situation they had pretty much determined was non-life-threatening to the both of them.
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Kris | September 30, 07:09 CET
[ edited by Agent on 2015-09-30 16:30 ]
Agent | September 30, 07:30 CET
"A gay Inhuman. That's progress."
HUGE. Thanks, Jed and Maurissa. Yeah, there's a ton more representation on TV now than there used to be, but non-straight characters (especially male ones) are still sorely lacking on action and superhero shows. It wasn't very-special-episode-like in the least, Bobbi just mentioned his ex-boyfriend and it came off natural and un-forced (and played in beautifully to yet another bit of "other-ness" piled on top of him now that he's an Inhuman).
Not a single lasting, "out" male character on any Whedon series, it's about damn time (Lorne/The Host was played ambiguously on Angel, so I can't really count him). I was surprised when we didn't get one on Dollhouse.
If Joey is a throwaway Inhuman that the show's invented, fine, I'll take what I can get, but it makes him just another Larry from Buffy if he's gone or killed in a few episodes (Larry was arguably more significant an inclusion as it stands right now, even if only ever really played for laughs). Were it not for the current bloat of the main cast (10 main characters is a bit much, although yes, I know Firefly had 9), would love to have him around long-term, if his powers can be controlled like Skye's and made useful to missions. The actor is easy on the eyes and gave a good performance. And if they wanna do more pairings (I'm fine with just Bobbi/Hunter, May/Andrew, and Fitz/Simmons, but if they REALLY wanna include more on the show), Mack's sexuality hasn't been determined yet.
I know I'm not the only one who saw Mack's adorable, genuine buddy-buddy thing with Fitz last season as a developing one-sided attraction (Fitz either totally straight or too in love with Jemma to notice or be interested), it's all there to be easily interpreted as such on screen with zero to contradict it. Wishful thinking, though--probably.
It would be a good pairing if they wanna play on Mack's mistrust of some powered people (or maybe his beef was only with Lincoln and Jiaying's group)...
A+ season premiere, IMO...everything about it was perfect.
Agent, I noticed the lack of Fitz's tics too and figured it was either an oversight (in which case, not-so-perfect-premiere, then), or something we're going to get an explanation for in a future ep. I kept waiting for a mention of some drug therapy he was on or a revolutionary new treatment...
So much going on.
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Kris | September 30, 07:37 CET
As always, thank you so much comics-knowledgeable people for all the great info and headcanons.
and @agent so much yes to the Fitz brain injury thing. Brain damage is not irreversible, people can and do make huge improvements-- but not that huge or ANYTHING LIKE that fast! Oh well. That's TV medicine for you-- similar to real life but greatly exaggerated and a hell of a lot easier, but given the emphasis on it as a plot point so recently, it really does seem like a misstep. It would have been so easy to have him just have some difficulty at the end when he was under the most emotional stress-- it would have really added to him being able to play it cool earlier in the episode too, like look when he's actually emotional he loses the ability to speak properly, he really didn't care if he died earlier. Missed opportunity if you ask me.
aphasia | September 30, 08:07 CET
AndrewCrossett | September 30, 08:39 CET
IrrationaliTV | September 30, 08:52 CET
AndrewCrossett | September 30, 09:05 CET
IrrationaliTV | September 30, 09:06 CET
@AndrewCrossett: My working theory is that SHIELD is self-funded, and that their reserves are so massive that they are able to generate their operating budget through strategic investment. Since they were really an off-the-books sort of shadow agency anyway, I can buy the idea that Fury had them set up with funds to continue to operate autonomously for a long, long time within the world that has been established here.
Agent | September 30, 09:16 CET
Sunfire I thought it was handled well - subtle. Just a casual reference to his ex, and then later when he was talking to Sk'daisy he said he'd had to "come out with a big secret."
In the beginning, when they were panning the apartment, I thought the stone legs belonged to his significant other. How much would that suck??
ShadowQuest | September 30, 09:48 CET
And very cool that we finally have an openly gay regular character.
Maybe it will turn out that Fitz is a budding Inhuman, hence the rapid brain healing? Hey, it's possible ...
Shapenew | September 30, 10:44 CET
rexlibris | September 30, 10:53 CET
Nebula1400 | September 30, 10:57 CET
AndrewCrossett | September 30, 11:29 CET
eddy | September 30, 15:56 CET
Jacksyattering | September 30, 16:05 CET
Also, the minute they realized it was Fish Oil, I'm sure that everyone on the team stopped taking the supplements.
RoguePirateBunny | September 30, 16:19 CET
I'm all for all the women of SHIELD having superpowers, and all the men being supporting characters. ;)
Nebula1400 | September 30, 16:56 CET
Sunfire | September 30, 18:08 CET
It was a great episode and I was delighted to see Bill Sadler back as President Ellis.
A random observation I had is that there were like 6 or 7 things, mostly in the opening sequence, that reminded me of Metal Gear Solid V. Smoke grenades blocking an aerial extraction from the eyes of guards who later return wearing gas masks, a main character who's lost his left arm at the elbow, and frequent references to DARPA. There's only one other place you can find all that stuff.
Trentaferd | September 30, 20:26 CET
I had a traumatic brain injury on July 4th, 2006. Initially, I could barely form a sentence. Within about 6 months, I had healed as much as it seems I ever will. Someone who didn't know me VERY well before my accident wouldn't know that there was anything wrong with me. My biggest ongoing problems that are definitely attributable to my brain damage are short term memory deficits (that are fairly easy to work around if I make the least bit of effort) and occasional bouts of dysphasia. I certainly have days and even weeks in which I don't present any outward sign of my impairment.
While I hope that they haven't completely wiped away the effects of Fitz's brain damage, people can and do make relatively rapid and dramatic (and even complete) recoveries from brain damage. And I personally have felt that the depiction of Fitz's injury and recovery have been very realistic and very relatable.
QingTing | September 30, 22:48 CET
I kind of wish they had explored it a touch more, since there are so few characters on television with such disabilities, and for such a brilliant character to be unable to show his brilliance...it could had had more screentime, methinks.
RoguePirateBunny | September 30, 23:03 CET
;)
Gotta say though...I was overjoyed to see our beloved Scottish engineer take a level in badass in the name of saving Simmons. Plus, having caught the scene where Fitz confronts the Monolith, I definitely have to give Iain De Caestecker mega props!
BlueEyedBrigadier | October 01, 01:45 CET
Thank-you very much for sharing, QuingTing -- now we know that Fitz's recovery isn't unexplained, just that he might have recovered naturally over time and that the writers weren't interested in exploring that development any further (could still pop up, of course).
Kris | October 01, 08:49 CET
I really enjoyed that Rosalind was quickly revealed to not be responsible for killing the Inhumans and that the misdirect didn't play out over several episodes. That was such a great moment of greyness between Team Coulson and Team Rosalind.
Also, damnit Fitz. Bringing the pain.
Really looking forward to Jemma coming back "wrong" (or at the very least very different). Great setups here.
Btw, I'd love it if Joss hopped back in to write an episode or direct. Family thing and all.
D-e-f- | October 01, 09:41 CET
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She has been gone 6 months. Much longer than I would have guessed.
JDL | October 01, 23:53 CET
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