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October 27 2015

(SPOILER) Discuss Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 3x05 "4,722 Hours". This week's episode was written by Craig Titley and directed by Jesse Bochco.

Hi! Storm was supposed to hit my area but it hasn't yet so Yay!
I'm here!!! My 8 year old and 15 year old were debating whether Dusty Planet Moon is in our Solar System, another solar system (yes), a binary system, a moon.
(no)
And my 8 year old feels that Jemma is going to run into ....wait for it.......


"THOR, KING OF ASGARD."

Yes he yelled. They picked up on my excitement a little bit.
Thor ? Bah humbug ! :) But perhaps this is where Thor's missing (iirc) brother Tyr ended up.
Ha!! Now that would be funny.
Great kids! I miss watching with my kids, who have lives, now!

I think it's a moon in another galaxy. I think that guy they showed at the beginning of episode 2 is there. Either that, or someone abducted at another time.

The next hour is going to go by way too fast.
I'm sure Coulson would be willing to lend a hand.
Tyr would be a cool character to encounter.
Let's do this!




(I know, that makes no sense. Whatever.)
JDL, that made me snort laugh.
Here we go!!!
Yep. Still scary.
Hey! I have seized control of the television remote (sorry, World Series watchers in my family).

The fact that Jemma's first thought is to try her cell phone is cracking me up.
Hello everybody!!!
When she tripped my heart broke.

Hi Squishy!

[ edited by hann23 on 2015-10-28 02:04 ]
Let`s see how she scienced herself to survive all that time....
I liked this intro.
She's so cute. But clumsy. :/
I was waiting for there to be something in the water. Oh crap....
How did she know that pond wasn't sulfuric acid?

And wtf is that thing? Ugh.

ETA - What kind of battery does she have on that phone?

[ edited by javelina on 2015-10-28 02:08 ]
What are the chances of that water being chemically just water.
@Numfar - we asked the same question!
How is her cell phone still charged?
What kind of battery does her phone have??
Wait her cell is working still?
I really want a SHIELD phone. The battery life is out of this world.
Maybe it went dead long ago and she's imagining its charged. Like the walking dead telephone when Rick was talking to his dead wife.
Wait... what?!
Wow!

That was too engrossing and intense to take my eyes off the screen! This episode is out of this world!
Whoa. Dinner byocch or science byoch?
And Nebula, I see what you did there :)
OK. Let's now ban the use of the phrase "out of this world" for the rest of the episode.
I think the other people that got sent all those years ago survived, had kids, and their kids are annoyed she's drinking out of their pond and eating their plant fish monsters.
Yep the battery is amazing. Everyone on the web who saw the clips remarked on it.
My son brought his homework to do in front of the TV. I cannot stop him.
Maybe those people want her for dinner for a change, NYPinTA.
I call that thing she ate the kelp monster.
Good lord, this is intense.
Why does the Captor speak English?
that cage doesn't look very secure.
The battery for that cell phone must be designed by Stark...

So we're speaking English, wonder how this works....
She's gonna hook up with that dude.
See! She's trapped with a hot guy who speaks English.
And then she'll want to go back and rescue him.
It smells blood??
So human looking, is she dealing with another human sucked to this place, an Alien altered human???
I wonder how long Will has been there.
Longer than Simmons, but not as long as the fellas from the flashback in England.
He has a first aid kit so he's from earth. Did he arrive through a black hole?
How is that not very sciency??
WWII maybe era?
Yeah, we he doesn't have a Fitz.
Sand Monster, random possibly cray person already there for a decade, dirt and caves...serious Lost vibes here.
Nothing about Will is not science-y. He's a freaking astronaut.

What is going on, show?
And we were wondering the other which other people in the MCU been to other planets.... guess there's some sort of answer here.
What's the story behind that planet, i wonder.
Not sure how an astronaut isn't very sciency. Pilot, maybe?

This may well be the best episode of AOS, ever.
How does it relate to the Kree?
Well, I was off by about 55 years.

I like the 2001 thing that's cool!

[ edited by hann23 on 2015-10-28 02:25 ]
An astronaut ? Did not see that coming.

I think this is a Kree prison planet.
AHA, an explanation for the battery!
Oh I'm an idiot. Monolith. 2001. Hahaha.
2001 and the monolith were my first thought when he said that.
Uh oh can we trust this guy?
He's also a bit of a John Crichton. Just he didn't find a Moya.
"His name is like your favorite word." Awwww.
Oh. She's finding the others...
19th-century dude?
It's the Smoke Monster with legs!
Ok........ I think that's It.
So with the sexton, I think they are heading in a Star Gate direction -- dial the stars sort of thing. But where would they get power -- the hell layer?
So Fitz makes battery Viagra?
I can't believe NASA had the monolith and knew about it's portal qualities.
It's Chewbacca.
Kree Chewbacca?
Ooh! A Stargate direction. They're going to harness a way to travel in space.
Will is a real negative nancy.

I guess 14 years of isolation just makes you all grumpy.
Here's Simmons... sciencing the shit out of getting off that planet.
How old WAS this guy when he got on the planet?
Please don't be duplicitous, Will!
They're running out of time to hook up!
I did ask for The Martian Starring Simmons.

I also would like a pony.
Squishy, he's just doing his job as the voice of doom.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
@Sunfire, to quote Willow, "I want a million dollars!"
Here we go -- hook up....
Here it comes. Smoochies!
hann and Squishy, you are incorrigible. And correct.

ETA - Right there with you, Sunfire.

[ edited by javelina on 2015-10-28 02:48 ]
Stop kissing the not-Fitz person!
Of course we'd get an intergalactic love triangle to torture us.
I repeat: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
This is better than The Martian.

Poor Fitz.
Its official, Ugh.
The feels. I has them.
I was laughing earlier this week because Tumblr was hopping mad about this love triangle on a desert planet they just knew must be happening. They were not wrong, though.
Maybe he's the one who controls the environment, and is keeping her there. Maybe he's an intergalactic criminal who was sentenced to prison there by the Kree or Asgardians.
Vacation flings don't count do they ?
The graveyard is their supermarket.
With all respect to Tumblr, I hate it when their conspiracy theorists are right. STOP KISSING THAT GUY, JEMMA.

He went back to the graveyard. I'll bet that IT is going to get him if IT hasn't already.
Hopefully this ain't Grease.
NOT FITZ'S BOAT
Not sure why they both couldn't just run away from "It."
I'm so ridiculous. I'm sorry for Fitz instead of Jemma.
Oh no Fitz... please don't be mean.

Okay, good good Fitz.

[ edited by hann23 on 2015-10-28 02:56 ]
Fitz is too goddamn awesome.
Fitz is a stand up dude.
Glad Fitz is being mature about this.
Squishy, I think Will was thinking if they both ran than "It" would do something to keep them from the portal but if he stayed to confront it then Gemma could get to the portal. He was basically keeping it busy so she could escape. I think.
I think Will was buying time for Jemma, sacrificing himself to make sure she could get there, Squishy.
I understand Simmons developing feelings for the person she survived something horrible with. I'm just annoyed they turned this really awesome stand alone episode focused on her into a love triangle.
How is it almost over? AAAAAAGGGH! I want more. So many questions.

Will they save Will?
Was he real?
What is this monolith?
Can Shield use it like the Stargate?
Is Jemma pregnant?
Oh. So that was the lone day of sunlight?
And now.

ABC's.

Wicked City!
The preview for next week is pretty no nonsense about Andrew being dead.
Wait so it was just pure coincidence that Jemma got sucked into the monolith.
Also annoyed they veered into romance... She could be grateful for Will helping her survive without that additional thing.

Well wonder how this will play into the rest of the season
Still we had no body. So there's hope.

I agree @Sunfire -- I could have done without the love triangle. But the rest of the story/ep was great.

[ edited by hann23 on 2015-10-28 03:03 ]
Yeah, but its Marvel, I'm sure he'll get better.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go run around in circles screaming for a bit.
Squisy, Yep. She was standing near it when the two moons were in the right spot.

[ edited by NYPinTA on 2015-10-28 03:03 ]
Well, this is the first time they've really broken the format. This could be looked back on like Hush is for Buffy.

Will is real based on the tag. He might assume she's dead.
The preview for next week is pretty no nonsense about Andrew being dead.

I'll believe it when I see the body. Otherwise, Andrew is faking it to go back undercover as Lash.
Romance was stupid. Episode was awesome.
Sunfire: maybe they are turning it into a love triangle, but it's one where we feel for all of them, there is no right or wrong, and in a brief moment, elevates Fitz into being a very noble character, who does the right thing, even if it hurts like hell. I don't think it will become a central part of the season, or detract from its grand plan.
Bigger crowd tonight than the last couple of weeks. In any case this was a very interesting episode, imo. Does not fell like a romance exactly, hard to categorize.

[ edited by JDL on 2015-10-28 03:06 ]
I'm game with that Nebula1400; that's a decent triangle story.
Probably the only love triangle that is decent. But one I still want to die quickly. She saves Will. Will is so freaking happy to be back home he decides to walk the Whoooooooooole Earth. Except the parts with deserts.
Heh, one of the NASA guys was named Brubacker.
I don't get it. I thought the monolith had something to do with Kree and Inhumans. Now it's just a portal that randomly transports people when the moons are just so?
Hell. This episode has made me write in run-on sentences. The professor/editor in me is all thrown off!
Squishy: could be that Will is Kree. They aren't all blue.
Nice job from Craig Titley. Need to double check but guess this is only the 3rd episode written by him, probably.
I think it made a great deal of sense for the only 2 people, people who depend on each other, to develop feelings. And even if it doesn't survive the transition to real life again, the feelings are still real.

But Fitz once again proves how much he loves Simmons. Whatever is important to her, is important to him. If saving Will makes her happy, he'll do it even if it breaks his heart.
The Kree might have made it. Maybe because it's on Earth it's broke and it's a side effect of being on Earth that it opens when it does. Maybe before the planet became so hellish (according to Will's theory that it was once nice) the portal was like a transit system and the Kree were well aware of the times it opened and closed, like the way a New Yorker knows how many stops to get from home to work on the subway. Still could be connected. And a random portal. I mean, how did the Kree get to Earth in the first place? Do we know? This might have been a back door so the Agaardians couldn't stop them? I dunno. I'm totally guessing now.
I have to admit, Nebula, that this liveblog is one of the few places where I allow myself to give up on grammar for an hour or so. (Though I do go back and fix my posts, because editing is a way of life, isn't it?)
Really liked the episode tonight.Also loved how there was no hesitation in Fitz agreeing to help save Will.
I suppose he could be Kree, but if so, that would be a pretty elaborate lie he spun about NASA. And for no discernible purpose.
The isfitzsimmonscanonyet Tumblr is going to have to update its name (again) from fitzsimmonsistotallycanon to fitzsimmonsiscomplicated.
Yeah I imagine those tumblr folk are upset.
Yes, I guess they still have room to explain all the unanswered questions about the planet. But i feel like it would have been more interesting if Jemma had been brought there on purpose.

And how did the NASA people get through if it only works when the moons are right? Are we to believe NASA knew about the moon thingy, but Will didn't because it was classified? And if NASA knew, then why didn't SHIELD? Shouldn't SHIELD have access to way more classified info than NASA?

Maybe I'm overthinking this.

[ edited by Squishy on 2015-10-28 03:19 ]

[ edited by Squishy on 2015-10-28 03:19 ]
I really liked the structure of this episode. The isolation and desolation would've have come across as strongly if they had used flashbacks intercut with scenes in the present day. Stranding us there with them for a good piece of time was key.
Guessing that there is a pattern to the monolith even on Earth. If you watch it long enough. Even the guys in old timey England knew when it would go off. So NASA just waited and when it went WHOOOOSH they shoved the team through.
Jiaying said it the monolith was made to be lethal for Inhumans. Maybe It is stuck on that planet because even the Kree lost control of it but Simmons wanting to go back will unleash it on Daisy, Joey, Lincoln etc.

Doubt Will is It, as he could have just ran to the portal with Jemma if he wanted to get to Earth and kill Inhumans-he could have even killed her with that bullet and grabbed onto Fitz himself.
javelina: I usually go back and fix my grammar, too. This time, I think I'll just let stream of consciousness prevail.

I have no desire to watch anything else tonight after this episode. It just broke TV for me.
I agree, Sunfire. But the "nighttime" effects were lamentable. Putting a blue filter on it but leaving things like obvious sunshine on half of her face or the nearby rocks was poor.
Just a thought. That shaggy thing that Will and Jemma were afraid of - could it be something like Lash?
It did seem to resemble him in vague outline at one point.
Jemma thought It was an astronaut like Will at first so it seems to be some kind of shape-shifter and if you believe Will it may also have some kind of negative empathy influence like the little girl May killed.

Lash sounds like someone who decided Inhumans were too dangerous to live. If It and the thing Jiaying feared are the same then It was made to kill Inhumans and is probably centuries old.
@Lioness - I agree the nighttime effects were ... imperfect. Your comment made me giggle like mad, just as my husband did, toward the beginning of the episode, when Jemma asked why there wasn't any sun and he said, "It's over your left shoulder!"

I suggested moonlight. He scoffed.
moonlight is simply indirect sunlight reflected. so you were both right?
@Squishy - I suppose :)

So - and I know I'm forgetting intel from previous episodes here (not to mention the comics) - do we know if the planet that Jemma and Will were trapped on is in a different universe, or somewhere in ours?
@javelina-We don't know yet but I assume it's somewhere in our universe. The MCU hasn't gotten into alternate realities yet and it would be rather much to try and fit in here with so mich else going on.
Didn't the old timey English guys have that machine to force it open?
Enjoyed it - as mentioned earlier, it was nice that they stayed with the story without intercutting back to what Team SHIELD was up to back on Earth. Have no problem with the hook-up, and doubt The Martian will be rescued to become a recurring love triangle character, unless they trim the roster elsewhere in coming episodes
They did, but the monolith was destroyed.
It sure does suck to be Fitz.
Honestly, I don't think fitz and jemma would work well together romantically. They are not interesting together that way. The cuteness would get old after about a minute and a half.

They need to grow apart not together, if they are to develop as characters, IMO.

[ edited by Squishy on 2015-10-28 04:40 ]

[ edited by Squishy on 2015-10-28 04:40 ]
Fitz is the Wesley Windham-Price of SHIELD.

[ edited by Nebula1400 on 2015-10-28 05:15 ]
I was disappointed that they threw in the love triangle. I called it last week since they were obviously foreshadowing it since Jemma came back, but I am still upset they went for such an obvious construct to keep Fitz and Jemma apart.

What are the odds that an attractive man not too much older than Jemma has been around for 14 years without totally losing his mind or his physique. I guess kelp creatures are nutritious and sitting in a cave do the body good.

Hopefully there is more to him than a NASA security guy.
Construct is a little hackneyed but I thought it was the best episode of the season so far. They do know how to twist the knife in this particular t.v. relationship. Great shout outs to everything from Castaway and The Martian to LOST and The Blue Lagoon. First episode of the series I can think of where they're not rushing around keeping everyone in the cast busy.
Bravo. Up until this point, both the show and especially this season were lacking something for me. But this was a prime example for what a tv episode needs to look like in my eyes: Distinct. Maybe bedded within a greater story, but still easy to separate from the rest. More, than an endless story, where episodes contain nothing more than "scene #117 to scene #138". Far too many shows are like that these days. Including this one.
"Buffy" was tremendous at doing stand alones. "Doctor Who" still is. Last year, "The Leftovers" twice focused an episode on a single character - the way this episode focused on Jemma Simmons. The results were incredible. To me, it's the best way to get characters over. To make the audience really resonate with them. Bobby and Hunter could use an episode like this. They are on the verge of being special, but not quite there yet. Most favourite episode since 1x06. More of this, and less of that boring inhuman-hunting agency, please.
I agree with Sahjhan - when the characters are the focus instead of so much action/espionage, you really get something special. Seeing Jemma dig deep for her inner resources was exciting. Seeing her veer away from being "science-y" in loving Will, to feel and live unreservedly and get out of her head for once even more so. I never bought Jemma and Fitz as a romantic couple. I found/find their deep friendship endearing in the extreme and it's odd that so many think this episode is a betrayal. Like the best of science fiction, I was exhilarated with it.
So was I.

Upon rewatch, I am beginning to wonder whether Will is real, or somebody she constructed in her mind as a coping/survival mechanism, or an illusion constructed by someone/something else to manipulate her. They may open the portal to rescue him, and instead let something come through to Earth that is likely to be a major threat.
I dunno, pretty sure the final scene confirmed he was real.
Yes, but a real what?

Just trying to figure out where this is leading. The writers had Jemma end up there for a reason beyond meeting Mr. Dreamy and breaking Fitz's heart. What is the Marvel of the story?

[ edited by Nebula1400 on 2015-10-28 08:24 ]
In my perfect world, they go back to find Will dead; soon after Jemma discovers that she is pregnant (and of course keeps the child especially because of her love for Will) which allows FitzSimmons totally free to be canon while leaving them both in constant emotional turmoil.

... Joss had made a monster out of me. But c'mon, this would be great! More character development than you'll see anywhere else on television.
Oh @Bishop, thinking of Joss made me go dark dark dark. What if in trying to save Will, something happens to Fitz - again...?.!!!

Or what if Bobbi gets reinjured next week and gets pulled into FitzSimmons's plan?

This isn't going to end well.....

[ edited by hann23 on 2015-10-28 12:59 ]
I think I died a little inside (in a good way ...however that's supposed to work ...you go figure it out!) when we saw the flare in Jemma's eyes and she immediately knew it was Fitz.
When they started talking about how the planet may have been different before "It" devoured it all, my immediate thought was "surrogate Galactus". Then I thought about the Swarm from Doctor Who's "Planet of the Dead".

Love triangles are a tired trope. It was pretty well justified here, but I hope they don't drag it out (unless it goes in an open poly direction and Fitz is totally cool with it, which hasn't been done to death).
Probably the best episode the show has ever done.
Yeah - I've never bought FitzSimmons as a romantic couple, and I thought that it been made clear in earlier seasons that Jemma didn't think of Fitz "that way" ... which was fine and made sense. So I was actually disappointed when they were pursing this whole romantic flowering piece. Did love that Fitz reaction was totally in character for him -

I think the show sometimes just throws a bunch of plotlines at the audience hoping one or two will resonate. I like the rapid pace they've picked up, but sometimes wish they'd narrow the focus ... it's getting a little unwieldy (IMO)It's why last night's show was so refreshing
DivaJanelle rightly pointed out:
"How old WAS this guy when he got on the planet?

Does NASA have a minimum age for pilots to be shot into space in real life ? (of course, the show could skirt around this with even more licence than usual due to the Monolith mission likely being top secret) If Will started off in his 20s, then he could be early-to-late 30s. He could be 40s too, though -- maybe lack of sunlight (that'd leather your skin after living in any other desert environment) plus all that exercise he was undoubtedly doing, not to mention a potentiall healthy diet of roots, moss, and tentacle-plant-pond-monster (and only water as your liquid) ensured he'd remain as hot and buff as we saw him for years or decades. Higher gravity that Jemma mentioned maybe helped work out and maintain muscularity too.

Switching gears...

For all those annoyed that this ep created a romance...I didn't mind it (especially given how easy Will was to empathize with and that, while they act the shit out of it, I never loved that this show did the obvious thing and paired the two nerdy friends off when throughout all of Season 1 they had a beautiful partnership with litle to no hint of romantic interest until near the end of the season) and was worried about a much darker thing they could've had Will The Astronaut do, had he been a different kind of man and had his 14 years on the blue night planet changed him considerably (and had this been on Starz, HBO, Showtime, or The FX Channel instead of ABC). I thought rape was imminent. Sorry, but a lot of men would do that, give the circumstance. Maybe not at the first sight of another human being after 14 years in isolation, but all that time Jemma was in the cage and then when she and Will were hangin' out...she's extremely lucky Will was a respectful guy (and maybe he was awkward with social mores and that's why no consensual-friendly move was made for the months they lived and worked together, until that emotional climax).

Anyway, I'm glad that didn't happen to Simmons and I can't see any narrative purpose it could've served, but...I couldn't help mentioning the uneasy feeling I got about it because of the hulking, caveman-lookin' unknown that Will started out as (Dillon Casey was on the Canadian-made medical drama Remedy that lasted two seasons and was canceled this year, dunno if it aired in the States and abroad--think he's hot and tends to play soulful, likeable characters, but that still didn't prevent me from thinking what I did about Will, initially).
Best ever episode in the entire run of the series. We all knew someone out there was caring for Simmons, but o Joss this episode felt like a really good movie, bravo.
While obvious and trope-y, I don't think this triangle is any more contrived then last year when the writers kept Fitz & Simmons from having a conversation about what happened in the ocean for the entire second half of S2 when Fitz was a lot better-for no apparent reason.

Fun facts I saw on another review: The names of Will Daniels's deceased crew mates are of other fictional astronauts. Austin for Steve Austin from The Six Million Dollar Man, Brubaker is for Charles Brubaker from Capricorn One and Taylor is for George Taylor from Planet of the Apes.
I think they'll rescue Will but that there's some question about whether he is still himself following his unseen up close encounter with the Death thing, and that that will be an issue.

Maybe Jemma won't see it but Fitz will but she'll think he's just jealous. Or she'll be worried but not say anything. Or everyone will write off his odd behavior as trauma...
So...if It can take on the appearance of a human, does that mean it can inhabit them? Which doesn't bode well for Will. And maybe It has to kill Its victims in order to move in, so It forced Will to turn the gun on himself.
@Kris:
While I not agree with the notion that - statistically speaking - a lot of men would've forced themselves upon Jemma - especially "all the way" - I was surprised aswell, that he didn't make a move on her. Maybe even point blank asking for sex as a courtesy ("Would you be so kind? It's been over fourteen years.").

Thinking about it, I could imagine Will being gay. It would explain, why there was no imidiate attraction towards Jemma. However, isolation and lack of more favourable options can change who or what you are attracted to (and let's face it, Jemma Simmons is rather easy being attracted towards). It apparently happens in prison all the time. Personally, I believe all our sexual interests and desires - or atleast those, deviating from our mere reproductive instinct - are strongly influenced by our surroundings and experiences.
I also believe that everybody is essentially bisexual (and probably even possesses the roots of every single sexual-/character-trait-deviation out there, some of which are simply more nourished than others) - without necessarily being "gay" and/or "straight" enough to ever feel the need to act on it. I most certainly don't feel the need to carry out any homosexual acts. But given the right circumstances, I cannot definitely rule it out, either. It's like when Jemma ate Morpha: Sometimes, what you're willing to do simply depends on your needs and options.
@ShadowQuest: Yea, the gun going off off-screen is definitely an important thing to keep in mind. You might be on to something. You don't have a story feature a gun that only has a single bullet in it without good reason.
I assumed the gunshot off screen was so that we knew Jemma heard it and she knows he only has one bullet so she also knows he's stuck there alone, because he had told her he kept one bullet for himself in case things got too bad for him to handle. Well, now that's gone so she knows he is still there and that she has to rescue him.

As for the love triangle, who knows. It might be the shortest lived triangle because how they both feel once back on Terra Firma is completely different than getting through a horrible situation on a dark planet.
My $0.02: I get why people might be upset at Will/Simmons, but it's believable, and frankly more so than Simmons keeping a candle burning for Fitz throughout an extended and indeed, at the point they fall together, apparently permanent stay on the wrong end of the universe.

Like Stills said: "If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with."
I think with that episode, Agents of SHIELD can now go toe to toe with the best episodes from other Whedonverse shows. I'll be annoyed if it doesn't feature in genre awards. It was riveting and character driven. And Elizabeth just knocked it out of the park. I would love the show to take more risks like this because it will pay off.
So, what was the big spoiler? I was afraid to read the post, but it turns out I didn't miss anything. Unless I really missed something, this episode was boring.
If you are referring to my posting it was that there was another portal victim and a big honkin' evil of some sort.
You don't have a story feature a gun that only has a single bullet in it without good reason.

Chekhov's astronaut?
I think there's a chance the planet might be Ego, the Living Planet.
Sahjhan said:
"Maybe even point blank asking for sex as a courtesy ("Would you be so kind? It's been over fourteen years.")."

Hah, that could've been funny, if they played it right. And honest, it would've been very honest.

"Thinking about it, I could imagine Will being gay. It would explain, why there was no imidiate attraction towards Jemma."

I considered that as well. It's too significant a detail to leave out, though -- given all the time the two spent together, they must've talked about everything and that would only not come up if Will was extremely closeted (if just a little closeted, I mean...if you can't admit it in front of someone that intelligent, warm, and accepting as Jemma--Inhuman-distrust being her one exception on easy acceptance--on a planet you could very easily die early on, then when can you come out?). I doubt the writers gave the possibility a second thought, though. Would've broken the mold. And TWO possibly-incidental/possibly-very-important gay male characters on a Whedon series within the same season and only within a few episodes of each other (the other being Inhuman Joey) ? Wow. Hmm...but no chance, they needed Will for the love triangle.

"However, isolation and lack of more favourable options can change who or what you are attracted to (and let's face it, Jemma Simmons is rather easy being attracted towards). It apparently happens in prison all the time."

If HBO's prison drama Oz taught me anything, hah...
(heck, that was half the attraction of that series)

"Personally, I believe all our sexual interests and desires - or at least those, deviating from our mere reproductive instinct - are strongly influenced by our surroundings and experiences."

Yep, agreed and seems to be the truth of it, given what has so far been determined for sure and what most studies seem to point toward.

"I also believe that everybody is essentially bisexual (and probably even possesses the roots of every single sexual-/character-trait-deviation out there, some of which are simply more nourished than others) - without necessarily being "gay" and/or "straight" enough to ever feel the need to act on it. I most certainly don't feel the need to carry out any homosexual acts. But given the right circumstances, I cannot definitely rule it out, either."

I flip-flop on this. The "everyone is, at least to some degree, bi" theory is great, I wanna believe it, but I gotta check myself on that sometimes and wonder if it's moreso just wishful thinking that has me buying into it maybe more easily than folks who identify as strictly straight or gay. If true, though, awesome, and it makes a lot of sense.

"It's like when Jemma ate Morpha: Sometimes, what you're willing to do simply depends on your needs and options."

Okay, now you stumped me -- what's Morpha ?

AndrewCrossett said:

"I think there's a chance the planet might be Ego, the Living Planet"

Is that the DC character/entity ? The one that's a member of the Green Lantern Corps ?

My favorite theory on the planet so far is that it is one of the Kree's set-up "blue zones", made for battles ? (and experimentation & observation, presumably?) Apparently there's a blue zone on the moon in Marvel comics and on other planets and moons ?

Re: "Death/It"

I wonder if Marvel Films would be bold enough to introduce the physical embodiment of Death. That's what I was thinking "It" might be. But such an important detail of Thanos' story/motivation (potential for major cheese if handled improperly) wouldn't be backdoored in through this show, itd be in one of the films. Then again, this series is doing Inhumans years before the Inhumans film debuts.

By the way, to the person who theorized that it might be a shapeshifter -- I'm not so sure. Jemma noticed blood stains and wear on the NASA spacesuit that it was wearing. I think that thing actually dug up one of Will's crew members' suits and put it on. Which is even creepier.

Wonder if Will's name was just picked at random from a potential list they came up with, or really thought out by the writers and intended to fit the theme. The will to live/survive. The will to endure 14 years and not put that last bullet in his brain...An indomitable will (his determination to tackle huge challenges, when he was telling Simmons about his NASA time and his going on this mission).

[ edited by Kris on 2015-10-29 03:41 ]
Is that the DC character/entity ? The one that's a member of the Green Lantern Corps?

Nope, it's Marvel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_the_Living_Planet

(Obviously I think they'll skip the cheesy "man in the moon face" aspect of the character.)

Given the comic book history, it would be easy to connect Ego to the Kree or Ronan the Accuser. (Or to Galactus, but unfortunately those rights are with Fox.)
Loved the episode overall.

I don't mind Jemma falling for a non-Fitz person, but I was hoping she had a more interesting reason for wanting to go back through the portal.

Otherwise, it was great & the planet-controlling creature is intriguing.
@Kris:

"I considered that as well. It's too significant a detail to leave out, though[...]"

Good point.

"If HBO's prison drama Oz taught me anything, hah..."

I was thinking about Beecher, myself, when I wrote that.

"I flip-flop on this. The "everyone is, at least to some degree, bi" theory is great, I wanna believe it, but I gotta check myself on that sometimes and wonder if it's moreso just wishful thinking that has me buying into it maybe more easily than folks who identify as strictly straight or gay. If true, though, awesome, and it makes a lot of sense."

Don't get me wrong. You can easily count me among those that "identify as strictly straight" . Still, I can differentiate between men I perceive to be attractive or un-attractive. Which I believe to be the most basic form of attraction. Way before actually feeling attracted towards someone. Today, I might be straight, and the thought of getting involved with another man might actually repel me. But ask me again after fourteen years of isolation on an alien planet once Captain Jack Harkness decides to swing by...
(Hell, after fourteen years "Buffy's" Balthazar would have a decent shot if he brings enough booze!)

Obviously I get if people disagree with this opinion. It's not like I was born with it. It simply came to me a couple of years ago. Before that, I probably would've disagreed myself.

"Okay, now you stumped me -- what's Morpha ?"

A water-creature from "Zelda: Ocarina of Time".
Thanks, JDL. I guess my imagination went wild before the episode.
The new character was interesting...reminded me of Captain America in that he'd be out of place in 2015.
I enjoyed how shocked Will was by a 120GB phone. Memory grows exponentially... There weren't smartphones in 2001, or iPods, but a decent computer would have had about half that, I think. I also enjoyed Simmons' TARDIS birthday cake.
A water-creature from "Zelda: Ocarina of Time".

Holy cow, we're pulling out Zelda-references now. :D
Hey, Will hasn't has sex since 2001 and now a beautiful woman is there. Besides, what else is there to do there?

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