June 14 2016
Marvel could solve its problems by rewatching 'Dr. Horrible'.
It's not as daft as you might think.
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EddieBuck | June 14, 22:24 CET
ActualSize | June 15, 03:16 CET
I thought that Stane was great in the first Iron-Man. He was the man Tony thought of almost as a father, but he betrayed Tony. That was great. Robert Redford (Okay, the one weakness is that I never bothered to learn the character's name) was great in "Winter Soldier". The reaction to Zemo in the "Civil War" has been almost universally great. Loki. 'Nuff said.
Sure, there have been weak ones, but that's not always a bad thing. Ronan was exactly what "Guardians of the Galaxy" needed. Ten minutes spent developing Ronan's daddy issues would have been ten minutes we weren't watching Rocket and Groot.
Even the lesser villains were entertaining. The ending to Iron-Man 2 felt like they gave up and copied the first one's ending, but I liked Whiplash. Hugo Weaving and Tim Roth didn't have their best characters ever, but their characters were average at worst and they served their movies.
At their worst, the villains in the Marvel movies have been decent and better than movie super villains in general. People started out saying that they were the weakest parts of movies that were still strong overall. Somehow that got turned into people saying that they were bad.
They're not. They're actually pretty good.
Jason_M_Bryant | June 15, 07:34 CET
I feel very strongly all kinds of mixed up things about Dr. Horrible.
Loved the article for this line:
"If Jessica Jones doesn’t care about other superheroes, or even know much about them, why would viewers feel compelled to explore the rest of the MCU?
hann23 | June 15, 08:46 CET
I would also contend that Fisk/Kingpin in Daredevil is very well fleshed out and even sympathetic. Also, The Defenders series IS the team-up. They aren't two separate things.
IrrationaliTV | June 15, 10:43 CET
I'll give you the soundtracks could be stronger - so, there's that.
TallMichaelJ | June 15, 11:11 CET
The intention was not to circumvent the writers' strike, but to prove the point that online content can be profitable, and that writers should be paid, and paid fairly, for writing online content (which was one of the strike issues).
That statement alone burned me up.
Also, her example of what should happen in terms of music for the movies was completely forgettable.
Nebula1400 | June 15, 20:06 CET
There may have been interesting villains, but were there many that the audience could also have empathy for? For me, not really. With exception of Loki, who seemed to be warring even with himself about his own actions, the rest came across to me as one note and I didn't really care about their point of view and was just waiting for the moment they were squished, shot, captured, etc.
NYPinTA | June 15, 20:25 CET
That's what drew me to Billy too.
Mirage | June 15, 22:45 CET
Meanwhile, not ONE of the MCU productions, movie or series alike, has a "rotten" rating on Rotten Tomatoes. That means EVERY film and show has gotten 60% or better from the majority of critics. Thirteen movies and four series. No, they haven't all been in the 80s and 90s, but what other studio has that kind of track record? And all in a continuous universe??
But no, they're doomed, DOOMED I say! If they don't make MY CHANGES, they're going to collapse and be RUINED FOREVAR!!
You know who has that kind of record? Pixar. Yeah. That other major sub-division of Disney. 16 movies, 12 rated in the 90s, only one rotten. It's like Disney is REALLY good at making movies or something . . . who woulda thunk it??
Are they perfect? No. Could they make some improvements? Always. Will they eventually have a bomb, a real cinematic stinker? Probably. Will it be the end of the studio? Absolutely not. They could have a string of monumental suck, and they'd probably still make all the money and keep right on going (*cough-TRANSFORMERS-cough*). That's Hollywood.
I wish Whedon hadn't fallen out with Marvel, but they'll do ok. The Russos have done an excellent job thus far. And maybe one day Joss can recover and maybe Marvel (now guided by a less tyrannical hand) can benefit from his talents. But if not, they'll do fine without him.
And without all the know-it-all vulture critics who are circling Marvel just waiting for it to keel over so they can peck at it and smugly claim, "See? We knew it couldn't last! Marvel's dead now!"
Sorry guys, you're gonna starve to death first. And I will SO applaud that moment.
Batman1016 | June 16, 00:53 CET
Jason_M_Bryant | June 16, 02:57 CET
The paragraph about the music felt a bit tacked on, but I have to agree. None of the music from the Marvel movies is all that memorable, except (for me) for whenever The Winter Soldier was on screen. It fit the horrific nature of his character's creation even before the reveal.
*Edited because I said "bit" twice in one sentence and it was just weird to me.
[ edited by NYPinTA on 2016-06-16 21:29 ]
NYPinTA | June 16, 06:43 CET
That's true, but then the TV-series Jessica Jones is meant to be understood as a profoundly damaged and unhappy person, much of whose resistance to taking the role of "hero" is symptomatic of her emotional and psychological scars. To say "oh, she's not interested, so why should we be?" is about as sensible as saying "Well, Jessica Jones drinks a bottle of scotch a day, so obviously it's a healthy lifestyle choice!"
Yoink | June 16, 11:26 CET
NYPinTA | June 16, 12:27 CET
There NYPinTA, that's the most prevalent example that stuck out at me. If that's not the very definition of "critic predicting the demise of a studio, their movies, stories, and success," I guess I just don't have as clear a grasp on the language as I thought.
As for Jason_M_Bryant, I meant "falling out" in the "I just can't do anymore of that right now," not in the "I hate Marvel" sense. Sorry for the confusion.
Batman1016 | June 16, 21:17 CET
They can't. He was the protagonist. Unless Marvel makes a movie from the villains point of view (Which Warner Brothers is only *sort of* doing with "Suicide Squad", since they'll be acting more as anti-heroes), none of that applies. So saying, "Look how fleshed out Dr. Horrible was!" doesn't mean anything.
Captain Hammer was the antagonist. His personality was paper thin, but we didn't care because he was somewhat a parody and he was very funny.
Jason_M_Bryant | June 16, 22:25 CET