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October 13 2016

"Secret Admirer" - Joss pens Tumblr piece on Hillary Clinton. It's a brief, poetic little piece about his admiration for her, apparently written in August but just posted today.

"The URL you requested could not be found."

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Edit: Forget it. It worked.

[ edited by Ricardo L. on 2016-10-13 20:03 ]
Getting the same link not found error...nuts :(
Should be ok now.
I'm crying. This is exactly how I feel. Thanks, Joss.
I'm at a loss here, I don't know how to square this circle. Joss has always come across as well informed and profoundly decent. But these aren't the words of someone well informed. Now I think about it, Joss recently put a meme on twitter that suggested he doesn't know anything about Jill Stein. So I guess he is just uninformed.

[ edited by Toivo on 2016-10-13 21:38 ]
Thanks, Joss. I feel like part of one big Scooby Gang with 26 days left to help Hillary save the world- a lot!
I'd say one of the most harmful notions imaginable, especially at this particularly fraught political moment, is that intelligent people can't disagree on difficult issues unless one of them is "uninformed," Toivo.
I'm right there with you, Toivo. If one lives in the bubble of privilege that only the wealthiest 10% of the country lives in, surrounded by mostly the wealthiest people, and spends one's days doing things (interesting, and maybe even mildly important things that create popular culture) that don't include paying attention to history, politics, and how the economy is failing all but that 10%, and doesn't know anything about Jill Stein, one could argue that there is some degree of not being informed there.

After a long love affair, I'm kind of over Joss. I just keep flashing on dead children in Iraq, Libya, Syria, and now Yemen. I can't really forgive people who refuse to peek outside of the bubble. With all the revelations coming out via Wikileaks, there's no excuse but that one has chosen to ignore the evidence.

That's all I'll say about this. I have to get ready to go to a local Green Party meeting, and prepare to campaign hard for Jill, not Hill.
@sumogrip To disagree on difficult issues, we have to discuss difficult issues. And to discuss difficult issues, we need to discuss the problems with Hillary Clinton. I'm talking real track record and policy positions not the "smile more" or "Bill did this" crap.

That is to say: Joss's idealized version of Hillary Clinton would be much easier to swallow had he actually addressed the real issues the intelligent people you cite have with her. Not setting them aside or trivializing them.

You can romanticize her all you want - as I'm sure everyone will when she's elected - but those problems will still be there.
@sumogrip - I didn't mean to suggest that people can't have principled disagreements on political issues. But this piece from Joss reads like propaganda, it simply ignores the many, many problems with Hillary Clinton's record. I'm talking proven facts, not opinions. Nebula1400 has been more eloquent than me here, and on the other recent threads.

@Nebula1400 - You're absolutely right, that's what's become clear to me about Joss. He simply lives in his bubble like so many of the other "limousine liberals." I don't particularly blame him or have any malice towards him, but unfortunately I don't respect him to the same degree anymore. Perhaps it's not reasonable to expect everyone to have a solid grasp of what's happening. The traditional media is part of that same bubble, partly why older people like Joss are more likely to support Hillary. Also to be fair to Joss he's been very busy making movies etc, so he's probably not been delving as deeply into politics as political junkies like us.

@Ricardo L - Very nicely said, you've stated far better than I could why this piece is so egregious.

[ edited by Toivo on 2016-10-14 00:11 ]
and spends one's days doing things (interesting, and maybe even mildly important things that create popular culture) that don't include paying attention to history, politics, and how the economy is failing all but that 10%, and doesn't know anything about Jill Stein, one could argue that there is some degree of not being informed there.

Oh cool, I didn't know you were friends with Joss and had a good sense of how he spends his free time.

But this piece from Joss reads like propaganda, it simply ignores the many, many problems with Hillary Clinton's record. I'm talking proven facts, not opinions.

On the one hand, I don't disagree that there are plenty of issues with HRC's record that the dems are presently glossing over in favor of winning the election. On the other hand, that's pretty much what happens during every election, and I'm unconvinced that HRC's bad spots are that much worse than any other official who's been in politics for 16-40 years, depending on how you want to count it. Including Obama, who seems to be getting a free pass in all of this (and whom I greatly admire, and about whom I would likely be caught writing a similarly effusive piece, had I Joss's platform and talent).

My point isn't to dissuade anyone from voting Stein, whatever my myriad objections to her may be. Just that perhaps this piece is about why he admires her, and not meant to be a comprehensive detailing of her successes and failings that just assumes she has no failings.
I'd say one of the most harmful notions imaginable, especially at this particularly fraught political moment, is that intelligent people can't disagree on difficult issues unless one of them is "uninformed,"

Hear, hear!
this is a fun election.
This election does remind me all too much of the seventh season of Buffy...(I think I'm not the first person who said this?)
Yes, I know the comparison might seem to be making light of something all too serious. Sometimes I have to do that for my sanity.
@Toivo: Not chiming in here to bash Joss (though I totally agree with Ricardo L's statements). Just amused by your comment, because I am an older woman, in Clinton's support demographic. I chose to live in my parents' basement (which is kind of creepy, because they're both dead), and be a Bernie Bro, instead. 😉

I was asked to run for mayor of my town on the Green Party ticket in 2017. The GP has a lot of support here. I could be the next Bernie! I'll have to practice a Brooklyn accent.

Seriously, even if we don't win, we're going to be organizing around critical issues here - racism, poverty, homelessness (I live 6 blocks from the poorest city in the US), the environment (our water is extremely polluted), educational access, opposing current and future wars, eliminating student debt, the need for universal health care, and raising the minimum wage (which is still $7.25 an hour here) - all of which are more important than winning elections.
Guys it would be nice if every time Joss uttered a political opinion and it got covered here, it didn't descend into "How dare he not vote for X, does he know anything? I've lost all respect for him blah blah blah". It's not particularly pleasant to read and it comes over as rude.

So I'm locking this thread so people can ponder that. If I see thread hijacking and borderline personal attacks happen again, the old 'time out' hammer will come out into play.

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