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April 18 2004

Emma Caulfield on her new movie 'Bandwagon'. "I look at what's been happening with free speech in this country, at the way Howard Stern is being treated by the FCC, for instance, and it appalls me".

That was a great article, and I really hope we get an opportunity to see it somehow. It's also nice to hear that Emma enjoyed her days on Buffy and learned a thing or two from Joss. Anything that challenges the rampant censorship going on in our nation gets two big thumbs up from me.
"It's like watching a train wreck...but in a good way!" that quote made my week. she really is learning from whedon.
I miss the good ole days of watching train wrecks.

I am so looking forward to this film. If I dont get to see it until it's a rental, I will be very put out.
I'd really like this movie to get a wide release, but it probably won't.
Oh, wow. I hadn't been paying attention to this film at all until now. I'm really excited to see it.
I'm very excited to see this film too. And I liked the interview until it got to this:

Of course, the people at my agency were very concerned when I decided to do this film. They told me we couldnít go ahead until we got the mentally challenged groups to sign off on it, and I told them, "No, I donít want them to sign off on it! Thatís not what this movieís aboutóit could ruin it." I mean, I look at whatís been happening with free speech in this country, at the way Howard Stern is being treated by the FCC, for instance, and it appalls me. I wanted us to make a really strong statement against this whole repressive climate

It's not advocacy groups creating the "repressive climate", it's the conservatives she's so supportive of. Hello, Michael Powell, Colin Powell's son, head of the FCC?? Attorney General John Ashcroft, creator of the Patriot Act?! I don't think she necessarily needed anyone to sign off on it but geez, talk about redirecting blame and clouding the issue.
Oh, stakeholder, flame off already. Please...

On another note, I see maybe 3 or 4 movies a decade...this will be one of them.
Hey, leave stakeholder alone ;) The point had to be made. Frankly, the idea of free speech advocates who happen to be conservative Republicans is about as mind-boggling as Gay Republicans or African-American Republicans. Certainly fans of Whedon's work (who I believe are intelligent, perceptive individuals), regardless of their political affiliations, can appreciate the irony in Emma Caulfield's statement.
Yes, I found it a bit odd myself that such an avowed conservative was complaining about censorship. Sure, lefties can have some conservative views, righties can have liberal views, but it's just odd coming from someone SO Republican.
Thanks for getting my back guys ;)
mai, et. al, there are plenty of conservatives (like me) who are by definition free speech advocates, and not to get too far off topic, the speech codes that now govern (and muzzle) much of academia come from the left, not the right.
I do notice however, that when asked if she was mocking liberals, she neatly dodges the question.

And Stakeholder, I agree with you. And I don't think you were 'flaming' anyone either.
Well, the free speech/censorship issue is different depending on what side of the line you're on. Conservatives don't want you to speak against the government or mention sex because it's all unpatriotic and destroys the fabric of our nation and our children and puppies and Christmas, liberals don't want you to call Christmas Christmas or call black people black or have sports teams named after Native groups because it might hurt people's widdle feewings.

I think everyone just needs to chill out a little. I agree with some guidelines, but it's all getting a bit out of hand on both sides.
I am solidly behind stakeholder and the others on this. And there wasn't any flaming that I can see. What is bizarre to me about Emma's statement about Howard Stern is that he's anything but conservative. His muzzling has resulted in rather public statements from him attributing his being silenced to a conservative conspiracy of sorts.
Rogue Slayer, I'm with you. Some guidelines are just needed.

But they should be simply that, guidelines. Not set-in-stone proclamations. Things like offensive material are simply subjective and there shouldn't be laws set into place to avoid them. They're a part of life and people should make their own efforts to avoid what they deem insulting, and not relying on other people to make it easier for them.
(My phrasing may sound rude or mean spirited, but I truly don't intend for it to seem that way. I just don't know any other way of wording things.)

I agree things are getting very out of hand. To me, censorship seems very puritanical. I have no problem with people disagreeing with things, that's how individual minds work, but that shouldn't result in rules that others may not agree with as well. Personal opinion should not demand concrete stipulations on the mass public.

Despite my view on censorship, I do feel there should be a time and place. For example, I wouldn't want children's programming to be filled with foul language and intense violence. But I also don't feel children, or anyone, should be completely sheltered from such things, as that's part of society. I think the FCC is good for finding the right place and time for allowing such situations. I don't feel the FCC should make decisions that fully ban subjective material.

I hope I didn't take this too far and explained things properly... I'm not the best with words. lol I just wanted to throw my opinion into the mix.

Also... I'm really looking forward to seeing Bandwagon, even if that means waiting for the DVD release.
I'm with Stakeholder on this one too. And well said Greyflowers. I also think there is a time and place for things. Janet's boob didn't belong on the Supebowl stage but Howard Stern's show is an established show that people know what they are getting when they tune in. I don't like Howard Stern but I just don't listen to him or watch his television show. We should be able to censor ourselves if we don't like something. I also like the show Nip/Tuck which is the raciest thing I've ever seen on cable tv. I certainly wouldn't want my kids to see it but they aren't the targeted audience.

And although I didn't like what Janet Jackson did at the superbowl I think it has been blown out of proportion to try and censor other things that shouldn't be targeted. Yeah, get mad at what she did and put up a stink about that but don't go after shows that you know very well what you are tuning into when you watch them. Janet, as a joke, flashed her boob, again, on SNL doing a skit as Condoleeza Rice, and that was okay with me because it's SNL and you'd expect that from them.

And I agree with Greyflowers too that children shouldn't be too sheltered but it should be up to the parents and not some celebrity who is trying to boost her career by flashing her boob at the superbowl. Some of the BtVS episodes were pretty graphic (Buffy and Spike's love scenes) that I would tape the show first and depending on what was shown then let my youngest daughter watch. And there were other shows that had a lot of violence in them that I thought the message was too important not to let my kids see and then discuss it with them.

For instance, the episode with the boyfriend who drank the potion and turned into a "Mr. Hyde" type personality (Beauty and the Beasts?) and beat up his girlfriend was a great episode to discuss with my two girls the difference between a loving relationship and a controlling one. And Earshot was also a great one that I believe they were forced to air at a later date because it involved a kid with a gun at school. That was a great and important episode to watch with kids because it made a great point of saying to all kids that just because they feel picked on and all alone, they aren't the only one and that every single person has doubts about themselves and feels they are the victim at some point. To me, those were two great Buffy episodes that sent a very strong message and were important ones to watch with kids because they did represent real problems in the world that kids have to deal with and it was a shame that "Earshot" had to be delayed because the network didn't bother to understand what the episode was really about and only looked at it as a troubled teen with a gun.
Blwessels you think its okay for here to go on SNL and make jokes because "is SNL" though? hmmmm I smell hypocrisy

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