Fanboy Planet reviews 'Not Fade Away'.
"The finale is a good reflection of the season overall: There’s a lot of good stuff and a few disappointments, the whole thing feels too rushed, and the viewer is left wanting more."
Alright I wasn't sure if we needed yet another review, (plenty in there I don't agree with) but a line in there struck me: "Here one really wishes Joss Whedon could have backed off his “I don’t do two hour finales” stance. "
I've never heard or read anything about Joss refusing to do 2 hour finales. I always assumed Buffy and Angel ended with normal 40 minute episodes because the networks wouldn't allow/finance big 2 hour endings. Anyone know anything about that?
May 24 2004
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electricspacegirl | May 24, 20:13 CET
Shroomy | May 24, 20:23 CET
Update: here the relevant quote from a Chicago Sun Times interview.
"Most of the lessons I learned [from other series' finales] were cautionary tales," he said. "Part of it was: Don't be self- indulgent. I love the end of `MASH.' I cried and watched it with everybody else. But ... 3 ˝ hours? Seventy minutes for the last `Family Ties'? `Family Ties'?!? Seventy minutes?!?
"It's very easy to think so much of what you're doing that you forget that what you really need to do is just turn out an episode that's really great. ... Of course you're paralyzed with terror that this one won't measure up."
Simon | May 24, 20:33 CET
Personally, I think 22 more episodes would have been even nicer.
Every character's moment was a perfect distillation of where they came from and where they are now. I would rather have that 'always leave them wanting more' feeling when I saw Joss Whedon's name on that black screen than to start checking the clock. The finale did seem to fly by, but in being dark and sharp and quick, it stayed true to the series.
bloodflowers | May 24, 21:10 CET
I have to say, looking back, I think Joss did an EXCELLENT job of tying up lots of loose ends while not closing the door, and not leaving too many unanswered questions. Great job Joss. I can't wait for your future projects, whatever they may be, I'm sure they'll be great!!
Two points to pick: a) perhaps the WB wouldn't allow a 2 hour finale. Would impeded on their precious Smallville, you know.
b) I found Angel signing the prophecy to be meaningful. It showed that just as he asked the others, he was willing to give up the one thing he's been wishing for to fight the good fight, which in my mind, is the true definition of a hero -- fighting the good fight for others, not for your own gain.
[ edited by WilliamTheBloody on 2004-05-24 20:34 ]
WilliamTheBloody | May 24, 22:30 CET
That's exactly how I saw it, too.
Invisible Green | May 24, 23:17 CET
Firefly Flanatic | May 24, 23:34 CET
In 'I will remember you' it was already clear that the fight was more important than being human. Hell I think he'd prefer to stay a souled vamp and just have the happiness curse removed. And when did Spike ever show that becoming human was something he craved?
No this worked. Angel had no choice, even hesitation would've blown his plan, so he did it. And even then he didn't mourn it all that much. More like he liked and mourned the IDEA of it more than the reality of it. And maybe on some level he realized it.
EdDantes | May 25, 00:57 CET
What were the alternatives? As EdDantes said, even hesitation would have blown it, and afterwards, he was in constant surveillance while at Wolfram & Hart, so only allowed himself the few questions presented to Harmony. On top of that, he had to fight alongside Spike, and there was no way he was going to confess to Spike what he had done and the probable implications.
brother_grady | May 25, 20:56 CET