I don't know about "dirty", but it did push the envelope a bit...

Oh, wait a minute. Right...dirty...oh, yes, quite a bit at times!

Chris in Virginia | June 01, 23:44 CET

Officially, any time a zipper is ratcheted to a microphone to make sure the foley guys get the point across, it's dirty. If a character is pushed against a pillar or wall at the time, then bonus dirtiness ensues.

bogu_salias | June 02, 02:19 CET

What? I mean, I know curses in comics generally come out like "*&@#!!" but... nobody smokes or shows skin? What kind of prude comic doesnt show skin? Half the costumes on some of the X-Men hardly cover. And, I know for a fact that some of them surely smoke...

Color me confused. And a little dissapointed by any steps backward.

numbereleven | June 02, 02:58 CET

Funny thing, I've never heard the zipper. I know it happened because everyone said it did, including Marti, but I've never heard it, either on the first run, subsequent airings, or my video tape. Maybe I just need to crank up the volume next time. And oh yes there will be a next time. Heh.

numbereleven, I know! Wolverine chomps cigars all the time, and doesn't Beast smoke a pipe? Gambit's a cig-smokin fool! And really, as far as showing skin goes,the costumes themselves just look like colored (blue, yellow, various) skin. They don't leave anything to the imagination, so what gives?

Willowy | June 02, 03:33 CET

Willowy - The zipper sound effect was edited out (along with about 30 extra seconds of material after B&S crash through the floor) at UPN's request.

Invisible Green | June 02, 04:25 CET

Thanks InG for clearing that up, but then why did everyone talk about it immediately afterward?

I'm not questioning you, I'm just asking how did everyone KNOW? Was it what Marti said?

And is the full scene on the dvd? *runs to pop it in*

Willowy | June 02, 04:37 CET

no way was the zipper edited out. i remember it distinctly. please tell me i'm not crazy.

narky | June 02, 04:48 CET

I remember reading articles on how UPN asked for the zipper, among other things, to be edited out. I've seen the scene several times, and haven't heard anything other than dialogue, score music, kissing, panting, heaving, moaning, groaning, and a house falling apart.

But I suppose it's possible that the zipper sound is in there somewhere, but I've never heard it, and I've read (possibly on the BBC Cult Website?) that it was taken out.

Invisible Green | June 02, 04:57 CET

IG, I've heard the zipper every time I watch Smashed. I know it's on the DVD.

And Willowy, if you're talking about the scene where after they fall through the floor, Buffy rides Spike (very dirty!), that was not in the episode but you can find it online. I have it on my computer.

I think you can find it on buffy.nu if you search under "smashed".

[ edited by electricspacegirl on 2004-06-02 03:13 ]

electricspacegirl | June 02, 05:09 CET

I haven't got the DVD's yet, so maybe they added the sound effect back for that?

Invisible Green | June 02, 05:33 CET

I've also heard the zipper every time I've watched Smashed, though I've yet to watch the DVD. I'd imagine it's there too.

MindPieces | June 02, 05:46 CET

I've only seen "Smashed" on FX, and it's definitely on there. Maybe UPN's the only place it didn't end up. Wild.

friarfunk | June 02, 06:14 CET

Huh. I'll have to rewatch that scene carefully next time.

Invisible Green | June 02, 07:35 CET

I heard the zipper. It were there in the great broad land of Au.

As for comics being dirty... ah... read Alan Moore's Watchmen. Sex, smoking, excessive violence... a complete deconstruction of the hidden ubermensch philosophy underpinning superheroes.

I suspect its one of the 'books Whedon is alluding to when he talk sabout deconstruction.

biki | June 02, 08:05 CET

Hmmmmm, must be because I'm always on slow motion during that scene that I hadn't heard the zipper before . . .

It's been a long while, but I did download the deleted part of the ending from buffy.nu. Certainly makes the scene much dirtier. Not surprised it was edited.

palehorse | June 02, 15:49 CET

The scene at the Bronze was even more erotic...my wife turned to me and said, "You can't see *anything*, and that's still the sexiest thing I've ever seen..."

Chris in Virginia | June 02, 18:04 CET

Exactly when was Angel a lone brooding hero that later had a crowd set around him? Were there episodes before the first one I saw which had Doyle introduce himself and Angel run into Cordy at a party?

phearlez | June 05, 07:40 CET